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David K
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Basketball Hill to Arroyo Grande and Hwy. 5...
Top of Basketball Hill to Cobble-4 (dropping into Arroyo Jaquegel briefly and then out, palms nearby): 1.4 miles
Cobble-4 to wide Arroyo Jaquegel, right turn (Suzuki wreck 0.1 mile to left): 3.0 miles
Wide Arroyo Jaquegel drive for 0.9 mile, then turn right and leave arroyo.
Leave Jaquegel to Full Length Pole: 0.9 mile
Full Length Pole to 'Bad Hill' top: 0.6 mile
Top of 'Bad Hill' to Sunday Night Camp where road briefly enters Arroyo Jaquegel one last time: 2.5 miles
SUN. Camp to T Junction: 4.0 miles
T Junction to Arroyo Grande: 4.3 miles
Pole Line Route crossed Arroyo Grande heading for San Felipe here. Road out to Hwy. 5 turns left and goes 5.3 miles to water wells and end of pipeline
and power poles to gold mines off Hwy. 5. Turn right and follow power lines east 6.5 miles, turn left and go 6.0 more miles to Hwy. 5 at Km. 106.5
(just south of La Ventana).
Here's a view of the Pole Line Road on both sides of Arroyo Grande:
The overall Pole Line Road run and the road on out to La Ventana included:
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norte
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Nice pictures. Did you educate your fellow travelers on not leaving their toilet paper every where?
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norte
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Before he deletes it, please review picture 16 of 99.
Quote: Originally posted by David K  | | Quote: Originally posted by norte |
Nice pictures. Did you educate your fellow travelers on not leaving their toilet paper every where?
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It seemed to me that everyone on the run was already an experienced desert camper. Nobody acted 'parental' over anyone else other than Ken who was the
'Trail Boss' and provided driver's meetings at the start of each day. Digging a hole and covering is standard desert sanitation. We did not watch the
bathroom customs of others in the group, but a long walk with a shovel is typical in the morning! |
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4x4abc
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here are the spots I have for cobble stones
Harald Pietschmann
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David K
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You have sharp eyes!
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4x4abc
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my girlfriend claims, things find me - not the other way around
I have so much Baja indian stuff in boxes that I get tired of them
I found my box of pole line stuff in the garage this morning
I will donate it to the Kier Baja Museum
(uniform buttons, cable clamps, nails, wooden supports for the insulators, broken insulators, intact insulators)
you'll find the cobble sections in here:
http://carlosnpainter.smugmug.com/Events/Glass-insulators-an...
Harald Pietschmann
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4x4abc
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Seņor norte,
I have no intention of deleting #16. If we don't clean up our own poop in the desert (or anywhere in nature), we have no business of being there.
Everybody claims to tread lightly - few have an idea what that really means.
Sailors seem to be the worst.
Harald Pietschmann
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | my girlfriend claims, things find me - not the other way around
I have so much Baja indian stuff in boxes that I get tired of them
I found my box of pole line stuff in the garage this morning
I will donate it to the Kier Baja Museum
(uniform buttons, cable clamps, nails, wooden supports for the insulators, broken insulators, intact insulators)
you'll find the cobble sections in here:
http://carlosnpainter.smugmug.com/Events/Glass-insulators-an... |
Don't Mexican artifacts belong to Mexico?
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by norte |
Nice pictures. Did you educate your fellow travelers on not leaving their toilet paper every where?
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It seemed to me that everyone on the run was already an experienced desert camper. Nobody acted 'parental' over anyone else other than Ken who was the
'Trail Boss' and provided driver's meetings at the start of each day. Digging a hole and covering is standard desert sanitation. We did not watch the
bathroom customs of others in the group, but a long walk with a shovel is typical in the morning! |
Hmmm looks like you were one shovel short.
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4x4abc
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good question. US built road in Mexico - who can claim the artifacts?
All the other stuff mentioned is still in Mexico. And I usually donate my finds to local museums.
Harald Pietschmann
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc |
good question. US built road in Mexico - who can claim the artifacts?
All the other stuff mentioned is still in Mexico. And I usually donate my finds to local museums. |
I think the US would have a hard time claiming them. But you can try. Why don't we ask these guys.
http://www.ice.gov/factsheets/cultural-artifacts
somehow don't think that will happen.
The other stuff - boxes full? Time to start your donating.
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DianaT
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Removing American made trash from Mexico is a good thing! I picked up one broken glass insulator and a couple of rusty tins from the Pole Line Road.
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Those are called artifacts, the things that assist scientists in their study of an area --- unless of course they are removed.
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | They have had 73 years to remove the trash or study it... and just what kind of scientist studies broken glass from one generation ago? Mexico allows
missions to be lost or destroyed from lack of cash or importance compared to the Aztec treasures on the mainland. WWII trash is a long ways down the
priority list. Heck, they wouldn't even go confirm the rock pile, which is history from 400 years earlier! |
Have a problem with Mexico do we? No matter how you justify it, David, it is wrong.
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4x4abc
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what needs to be done to make it right?
Harald Pietschmann
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by norte | Before he deletes it, please review picture 16 of 99.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by norte |
Nice pictures. Did you educate your fellow travelers on not leaving their toilet paper every where?
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It seemed to me that everyone on the run was already an experienced desert camper. Nobody acted 'parental' over anyone else other than Ken who was the
'Trail Boss' and provided driver's meetings at the start of each day. Digging a hole and covering is standard desert sanitation. We did not watch the
bathroom customs of others in the group, but a long walk with a shovel is typical in the morning! |
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I burn the TP, only a very little is too wet to combust, and that gets buried with the poop.
How did this thread become about dk's toilet routine?
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BornFisher
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Where do you draw the line? Is everything an artifact? Remember Tin Can Beach? Yikes.....guess you guys should have left your toilet paper for future
studies!!!
[Edited on 4-13-2015 by BornFisher]
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4x4abc
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| Quote: Originally posted by BornFisher | Where do you draw the line? Is everything an artifact? Remember Tin Can Beach? Yikes.....guess you guys should have left your toilet paper for future
studies!!!
[Edited on 4-13-2015 by BornFisher] |
you are right on target!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleofeces
Harald Pietschmann
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rts551
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Set a good example. You of all people who advertise 4 wheel excursions. For example, taking boxes of indian artifacts causes them to lose identity.
Properly identified and cataloged they could tell a story. I am sure the University there in La Paz would have taken them...unless you have the same
opinions of Mexico that your friend David K has.
You claim, "tread lightly". Time to practice it.
Never too late to start Harald.
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4x4abc
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rts551 (don't you have a name?),
may I remind you that I stated already that I donate my collections to local museums or appropriate authorities?
8 out of 10 times nobody wants them though.
Harald Pietschmann
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DianaT
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Artifacts left in place are what tell the story. Out of context, they often have little meaning.
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