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Ah, public education; 81 cents out of every dollar spent on education has been negotiated away by the Teachers Unions; salaries, bonus, retirement,
healthcare, Union officials, and their lawyers. That's the truth. I'm all for the best and brightest being teachers, or doing a stint as a teacher
out of college, or sometime during your life, but not life long teachers, with retirement and healthcare plans that go on for ever. Do 10 years, then
you're out and back into the Private Sector. This way, we get new teachers trained in the most current tech, government and social studies but don't
have the burden of them as life long leaches on the tax system. Teachers should pay into a 401K just like the rest of us too. No Public Unions
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Quote: Originally posted by Timinator  | Ah, public education; 81 cents out of every dollar spent on education has been negotiated away by the Teachers Unions; salaries, bonus, retirement,
healthcare, Union officials, and their lawyers. That's the truth. I'm all for the best and brightest being teachers, or doing a stint as a teacher
out of college, or sometime during your life, but not life long teachers, with retirement and healthcare plans that go on for ever. Do 10 years, then
you're out and back into the Private Sector. This way, we get new teachers trained in the most current tech, government and social studies but don't
have the burden of them as life long leaches on the tax system. Teachers should pay into a 401K just like the rest of us too. No Public Unions
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How many retired teachers do you know that live in Rancho Santa Fe, Beverly Hills, or Pebble Beach? Yep, I don't either.
Most all of my teacher friends (and I am a teacher) work their asses off. I'm sure I could work circles around you in the teaching profession, as I
would have in my previous career as a government contractor. Get in the ring, if you think you can survive. I seriously doubt it.
There are bums in every profession, I'm sure you set an example of one in yours.
And what kind of marooon makes a profession into a 10 year stint? Why not do that with MD's? They make more money than teachers. What a lame idea.
I made a lot more money at SAIC, but decided to change careers so I could give back to our young and our community, which is why I love high school.
I can pass on a lot of real life experience to those just entering the adult world.
How about you? Do anything at all for our future, our country, or just yourself? Yep, that's what I thought, just you, you, you. I've served our
community and our country, unlike whiners like you.
Put some critical thinking skills into your ideas before you put forth such half baked drivel. Weak sauce.
John
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| Quote: Originally posted by Timinator | Ah, public education; 81 cents out of every dollar spent on education has been negotiated away by the Teachers Unions; salaries, bonus, retirement,
healthcare, Union officials, and their lawyers. That's the truth. I'm all for the best and brightest being teachers, or doing a stint as a teacher
out of college, or sometime during your life, but not life long teachers, with retirement and healthcare plans that go on for ever. Do 10 years, then
you're out and back into the Private Sector. This way, we get new teachers trained in the most current tech, government and social studies but don't
have the burden of them as life long leaches on the tax system. Teachers should pay into a 401K just like the rest of us too. No Public Unions
ever.
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Great idea, you have there Timinator, the teachers, and their unions are pubic enemy number #1, because they have those middle class salaries, and are
one of the few workers left in the US, that still get a pension and some even dare to double dip, if they could get pass all those rules that block
double dipping.
Maybe, all bricklayers, and other occupations should also stop after 10 years, and be forced into other careers, and we won't worry about all those
years of experience they gains after doing the same job every day for years.
I have a better idea Timinator, lets just get rid of all unions, this way you won't have to be jealous of teachers anymore, because they soon won't
have a pension anymore, and they will have lousy health insurance like most everybody else.
Lets give everything to the CEOs of major corporations, because they could always use another few million dollars raises, while everybody's else wage
stays the same.
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Quote: Originally posted by Timinator | Ah, public education; 81 cents out of every dollar spent on education has been negotiated away by the Teachers Unions; salaries, bonus, retirement,
healthcare, Union officials, and their lawyers. That's the truth. I'm all for the best and brightest being teachers, or doing a stint as a teacher
out of college, or sometime during your life, but not life long teachers, with retirement and healthcare plans that go on for ever. Do 10 years, then
you're out and back into the Private Sector. This way, we get new teachers trained in the most current tech, government and social studies but don't
have the burden of them as life long leaches on the tax system. Teachers should pay into a 401K just like the rest of us too. No Public Unions
ever.
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How many retired teachers do you know that live in Rancho Santa Fe, Beverly Hills, or Pebble Beach? Yep, I don't either.
Most all of my teacher friends (and I am a teacher) work their asses off. I'm sure I could work circles around you in the teaching profession, as I
would have in my previous career as a government contractor. Get in the ring, if you think you can survive. I seriously doubt it.
There are bums in every profession, I'm sure you set an example of one in yours.
And what kind of marooon makes a profession into a 10 year stint? Why not do that with MD's? They make more money than teachers. What a lame idea.
I made a lot more money at SAIC, but decided to change careers so I could give back to our young and our community, which is why I love high school.
I can pass on a lot of real life experience to those just entering the adult world.
How about you? Do anything at all for our future, our country, or just yourself? Yep, that's what I thought, just you, you, you. I've served our
community and our country, unlike whiners like you.
Put some critical thinking skills into your ideas before you put forth such half baked drivel. Weak sauce.
John
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You may be one of the good guys John....
But it remains, after all the billions upon billions shoveled into CA K-12 education, and almost annually, busting chops to float another bond issue,
CA just sucks at it, as far as putting out a first class student.
Why is that John?
Poor parenting?
Huge numbers of non English speaking students?
Lackadaisical teaching staff?
Unprepared rookie teachers?
Bad administration?
Non state of the art facilities?
Too much "fluff" instruction?
Just the other day, there was a poster on here who had headed up a couple of groups focused on helping people get jobs. Employers were participants...
The number one take away from the employers were...."We can't find potential hirees who have the basic skills it would take to operate a forklift"
I keep hearing this....employers can't find qualified workers.
The takeaway I got was.....the education system is not putting out a properly prepared student, who graduates tomorrow and gets a job the next. Not
every kid is college material.
It's those who need "hit the ground running", basic skills on senior graduation day.
I own a travel trailer..the servicing dealer is always swamped. I befriended the service manager and asked him."Hire more techs"...his response was...
"We drug test"...."They don't want to work" "Lazy" "Always late" "Asking for time off too much" "Hard to find a motivated kid who doesn't whine about
getting his hands dirty and start at the bottom and work their way up the service ladder chain" "wanting a starting wage of a seasoned and skilled
tech, out of the gate" "Hey boss, I worked at Pep Boys changing oil, worked here for a month now and I have the skills, I want a raise"
Parenting?..."Upbringing" "Values of working" "The sense of "entitlement"
Asian kids are kicking culos, always far outpacing the local kids.....why is that John? Parenting?...Upbringing" "work ethic instilled since in grade
school? Tough love?
Educating kids is a tough job...no doubt about it....
There is also no doubt about it that CA K-12 is near the bottom of National rankings.
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/california/californ...
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DaliDali wrote: " Just the other day, there was a poster on here who had headed up a couple of groups focused on helping people get
jobs."
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Really? So what's his handle? I don't recall that post.
Regarding not finding enough qualified workers. Have you told your new friends and employers, about the EB3 Visa, for Skilled Processionals or other
workers?
This way the American employers, could get well qualified foreigner workers from places like India, and other foreign countries. This way he won't
have to worry about lazy American workers, your friend told you about.
But for some reason DaliDali, I have a feeling you would be against the EB3 visa.
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This forum, however, has disintegrated into a seething mass of reactionary hyperbole.
Every beautiful beach in the world needs a few condo towers - NOT.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | DaliDali wrote: " Just the other day, there was a poster on here who had headed up a couple of groups focused on helping people get
jobs."
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Really? So what's his handle? I don't recall that post.
Regarding not finding enough qualified workers. Have you told your new friends and employers, about the EB3 Visa, for Skilled Processionals or other
workers?
This way the American employers, could get well qualified foreigner workers from places like India, and other foreign countries. This way he won't
have to worry about lazy American workers, your friend told you about.
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You don't recall a lot of things Joe....like making an appointment at the DMV.
I don't have a problem with importing foreigners who have specific skills.
The problem I have is why the USA, and particularly the CA K-12 system, cannot churn out home grown kids with the specific skills to fill the needs of
employers......who are now screaming for some skills.
That was my Q to John......until you stick your nose into the conversation and rant on some racial and discrimination nonsense.
Brown skinned Muslims good to go......brown skinned Catholic Filipinos not so much...and double down on that if they are a BP agent at the gate.
Pfff...
Once again......NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS JOE.
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Turn the channel guys...
US and Mex just came to an agreement.
It's on any channel that acknowledges Trumps great accomplishments
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DaliDali wrote: " Just the other day, there was a poster on here who had headed up a couple of groups focused on helping people get
jobs."
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Since you DaliDali, can confirm who this poster was, I'm calling BS on you.
And really try to cut down on your ranting put downs against education 1-12, or somebody might ask you about your education, and job history, which
you would probably also lie about anyway, so I won't bother to ask you about.
BTW, Trump, and his followers, seem to hate most non-white immigrants, so they are not too exciting about the EB3 Visa, despite the fact tech
companies are screaming for highly skilled foreign workers, it's good that you DD don't also have a problem with foreign workers, as you claim.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | DaliDali wrote: " Just the other day, there was a poster on here who had headed up a couple of groups focused on helping people get
jobs."
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And really try to cut down on your ranting put downs against education 1-12, or somebody might ask you about your education, and job history, which
you would probably also lie about anyway, so I won't bother to ask you about.
BTW, Trump, and his followers, seem to hate most non-white immigrants, so they are not too exciting about the EB3 Visa, despite the fact tech
companies are screaming for highly skilled foreign workers, it's good that you DD don't also have a problem with foreign workers, as you claim.
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No rants here Joe......just the simple Q....
What can't the US education system, and particularly the CA K-12 system, put out a student who can go on the fill those high tech jobs, and India,
Japan and China can?
Not enough kids to keep up?...dumb axx kids? Lazy? Bad parents?
Do you have an answer or not?....See how easy this is?
Since you have a high sense of calling BS to most anything you don't agree with......I have taken the pains to locate the post of which you wanted to
know about.
What do you know Joe, it's right here in this same topic on page 3.
Pretty slick of you to claim not reading it......you're all over this topic like stink on chit.
Selective vision Joe? Say it ain't so....
And you Joe, are a part of that discussion.....I'll be damned.
For your reading pleasure here is the copy.....and if you want the full context of the discussion, simply go to page 3 near the bottom ok?
I am confident you can figure out the posters name so you can discredit him and call him a poser, a racist and hater of brown skinned folks
"Call it a "government subsidy" if you wish.
84% of the property taxes paid in my county go to public education
That means that since my youngest graduated in 1990 (yes, from a public high school) I have paid over $200,000 into a big void and then the government
washes my dough and you call it a subsidy....grrrrrrrrr
Furthermore, for the past 25 years I have sat on the local Federally mandated Workforce Development Board, did my two years as chair 2000-2002. Still
on the board, chair the Veterans' Training committee.
Do you know the biggest b-tch we get from prospective employers?
"Your schools are not producing candidates that can pass the basic Work Keys assessment for fork lift driver"
Public subsidy benefit indeed.
New people move to town I tell them, send your kids to either Central Catholic or Modesto Christian. They get close to 100% acceptance into colleges
year after year"
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"Trump would have to go back to Congress to ratify a bilateral agreement with Mexico, said Mickey Kantor, who oversaw America’s entry into Nafta as
Bill Clinton’s first U.S. trade representative."
"Republican Senator Orrin Hatch, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, called the deal with Mexico an important step but added that “a final
agreement should include Canada.” As the main trade committee in the Senate, the finance panel’s approval will be key to any deal."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-27/nafta-bre...
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Spot on DaliDali ... 
And speaking of education here in the United States
Who has the highest high school graduation rates and/or graduation from higher educational institutions ... and then what does one have, to solve real
problems facing the species 
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publicatio...
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From what I just read (online), looks like a great deal for both Mexico and Canada! It will be interesting to see what Canada does...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Timinator | Ah, public education; 81 cents out of every dollar spent on education has been negotiated away by the Teachers Unions; salaries, bonus, retirement,
healthcare, Union officials, and their lawyers. That's the truth. I'm all for the best and brightest being teachers, or doing a stint as a teacher
out of college, or sometime during your life, but not life long teachers, with retirement and healthcare plans that go on for ever. Do 10 years, then
you're out and back into the Private Sector. This way, we get new teachers trained in the most current tech, government and social studies but don't
have the burden of them as life long leaches on the tax system. Teachers should pay into a 401K just like the rest of us too. No Public Unions
ever.
Why shouldn't teachers get retirement and the same benefits anyone else gets? The "rest of us" have retirement systems.
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YES. The tRump deal...Announce...make news...renounce...becasuse there were no details.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
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No rants here Joe......just the simple Q....
What can't the US education system, and particularly the CA K-12 system, put out a student who can go on the fill those high tech jobs, and India,
Japan and China can?
Not enough kids to keep up?...dumb axx kids? Lazy? Bad parents?
Do you have an answer or not?....See how easy this is?
Since you have a high sense of calling BS to most anything you don't agree with......I have taken the pains to locate the post of which you wanted to
know about.
What do you know Joe, it's right here in this same topic on page 3.
Pretty slick of you to claim not reading it......you're all over this topic like stink on chit.
Selective vision Joe? Say it ain't so....
And you Joe, are a part of that discussion.....I'll be damned.
For your reading pleasure here is the copy.....and if you want the full context of the discussion, simply go to page 3 near the bottom ok?
I am confident you can figure out the posters name so you can discredit him and call him a poser, a racist and hater of brown skinned folks
"Call it a "government subsidy" if you wish.
84% of the property taxes paid in my county go to public education
That means that since my youngest graduated in 1990 (yes, from a public high school) I have paid over $200,000 into a big void and then the government
washes my dough and you call it a subsidy....grrrrrrrrr
Furthermore, for the past 25 years I have sat on the local Federally mandated Workforce Development Board, did my two years as chair 2000-2002. Still
on the board, chair the Veterans' Training committee.
Do you know the biggest b-tch we get from prospective employers?
"Your schools are not producing candidates that can pass the basic Work Keys assessment for fork lift driver"
Public subsidy benefit indeed.
New people move to town I tell them, send your kids to either Central Catholic or Modesto Christian. They get close to 100% acceptance into colleges
year after year"
[Edited on 8-27-2018 by DaliDali] |
Thank You DaliDali, but I must have missed that post, when you and John were going at it with long posts. I just threw up, and went to read something
else.
We must all watch our lengths of our posts including me.
I'm also not arrogant enough to claim I know what's wrong with our educational system in the US. Of course the right-wing, will claim to know,
blaming race, skin color, ethnicity, culture, parents, and something to do with bootstraps.
No doubt it's also the old nature/nurture argument, and for sure sometimes I see the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, as often you see loser
father, and loser kids, but again it's back to the nature/nurture argument, you don't know if the kids just inherited bad genes from the father, or
learned bad behaviors from the father?
I will say before you start blaming the parents, and other old standbys, I would first make sure all schools are equal, and they are not in the US.
Most schools are paid by property tax, and you will see that most nice modern new schools are in the nice neighborhoods, and the trashy schools are in
the hood. In the hood, you won't find AP courses, like you do at the expensive schools, therefore, there is little chance any students in he hood,
will get accepted at a good college.
Regarding your like minded friend, who claims to sit on a Workforce Development Board, I will only comment on what could be verified, and the merits
of his arguments, and not how much he claims to pay in taxes.
He made a comment, he tells people who come to town to send their children to Central Catholic or Modesto Christian, because they get close to 100%
acceptance into colleges year after year.
Well, I was able to verify one of those religious schools, Central Catholic, and they do claim to send about 96% of their kids to college. That's very
impressive, however, a school like that has an admission policy, and they don't take all kids like regular schools. There is also the $11,000 dollar
tuition that most parents can't afford. So it's not a fair comparison, where a school gets to pick the best students, and the parents and kids are
highly motivated by paying all that money.
That said, I don't care how good those Catholic schools are, I would not send my kids there. I have known too many graduates of Catholic school, and
those religious schools sure did a number on their psyche, and God, only knows what the priests or nuns did to them, and I'm only talking about the
sexually repressed views, and not those other shameful things in the news lately. Sorry, I can't give specifics, because BN is a rated GP site. Lets
just say these graduates let loose after graduating!
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
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No rants here Joe......just the simple Q....
What can't the US education system, and particularly the CA K-12 system, put out a student who can go on the fill those high tech jobs, and India,
Japan and China can?
Not enough kids to keep up?...dumb axx kids? Lazy? Bad parents?
Do you have an answer or not?....See how easy this is?
Since you have a high sense of calling BS to most anything you don't agree with......I have taken the pains to locate the post of which you wanted to
know about.
What do you know Joe, it's right here in this same topic on page 3.
Pretty slick of you to claim not reading it......you're all over this topic like stink on chit.
Selective vision Joe? Say it ain't so....
And you Joe, are a part of that discussion.....I'll be damned.
For your reading pleasure here is the copy.....and if you want the full context of the discussion, simply go to page 3 near the bottom ok?
I am confident you can figure out the posters name so you can discredit him and call him a poser, a racist and hater of brown skinned folks
"Call it a "government subsidy" if you wish.
84% of the property taxes paid in my county go to public education
That means that since my youngest graduated in 1990 (yes, from a public high school) I have paid over $200,000 into a big void and then the government
washes my dough and you call it a subsidy....grrrrrrrrr
Furthermore, for the past 25 years I have sat on the local Federally mandated Workforce Development Board, did my two years as chair 2000-2002. Still
on the board, chair the Veterans' Training committee.
Do you know the biggest b-tch we get from prospective employers?
"Your schools are not producing candidates that can pass the basic Work Keys assessment for fork lift driver"
Public subsidy benefit indeed.
New people move to town I tell them, send your kids to either Central Catholic or Modesto Christian. They get close to 100% acceptance into colleges
year after year"
[Edited on 8-27-2018 by DaliDali] |
I will say before you start blaming the parents, and other old standbys, I would first make sure all schools are equal, and they are not in the US.
Most schools are paid by property tax, and you will see that most nice modern new schools are in the nice neighborhoods, and the trashy schools are in
the hood. In the hood, you won't find AP courses, like you do at the expensive schools, therefore, there is little chance any students in he hood,
will get accepted at a good college.
[Edited on 8-28-2018 by JoeJustJoe] |
Apology accepted.....
Might I make a suggestion Joe..
Before you go leaping off the left side of cliff, consider the views of others, as you want others to consider yours.
Refrain from immediately downgrading the veracity of others you don't know.
When you leap right into racism, bigotry and brown skinned rants......it shuts a lot of people off immediately.
In the "hood" schools..
I don't know how County property taxes work in your area.
A homeowner is assessed xxxx.....that money is collected by the County.
A percentage of those homeowner taxes go to local school districts (makes sense..keeps your money local) and some go to the various unincorporated
regions of that county.
Most counties are made up of several incorporated cities and lots of unincorporated territory.
There can many school districts within one incorporated city and likewise, many in the unincorporated sections.
Within one school district, in the incorporated cities, it can spread far and wide and be diverse in income levels
Compton CA, home to a lot of minorities, was incorporated in 1888.
Not only is there a large contingent of minorities there, there also many middle class working people.
Some say (true or not I don't know) is that "hood" schools get the bottom of the teacher pool.
Then who's fault is that?....the homeowner who lives way out of that district? And he should lend in hand in changing it?
Some of it boils down to....why should homeowner Sam, who lives in a certain district, his kids go to that district school, pay for the schools that
are far away from his own?
Is this the highly vaunted Socialism......pay for someone else's schooling, with the fruits of your labor and taking away resources from your own
family?
There is lies the gripe with many people....I will pay for my kids education, but I don't want the government to force me, via taxation, to pay for
someone else's.
And now that the economy is in great shape by all accounts, the common excuse of "I can't get a job" just doesn't fly anymore.
All accounts point to the lowest black unemployment figures in history.
Same with Hispanic.....far lower unemployment numbers, than in the recent past.
Good economy....easier for motivated families to get out of that area if it's the reason your kids are held down with a poor school
At least that is the theory...lots of jobs...easier to start anew.
Motivation and drive is all it takes...many do it.
I don't put much stock in "I can't get out of here....I am locked in"
In regards to racism, bigotry and brown skin...I have always held that .
"It's not the color of your skin, but rather the content of your character"
I am not sure the color of your skin and I don't care.
I have read much of what you have to say on here, and worse in the OT, so my assessment of the content of your "character" is bumping the basement
floor.
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Quote: Originally posted by Timinator | Ah, public education; 81 cents out of every dollar spent on education has been negotiated away by the Teachers Unions; salaries, bonus, retirement,
healthcare, Union officials, and their lawyers. That's the truth. I'm all for the best and brightest being teachers, or doing a stint as a teacher
out of college, or sometime during your life, but not life long teachers, with retirement and healthcare plans that go on for ever. Do 10 years, then
you're out and back into the Private Sector. This way, we get new teachers trained in the most current tech, government and social studies but don't
have the burden of them as life long leaches on the tax system. Teachers should pay into a 401K just like the rest of us too. No Public Unions
ever.
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How many retired teachers do you know that live in Rancho Santa Fe, Beverly Hills, or Pebble Beach? Yep, I don't either.
Most all of my teacher friends (and I am a teacher) work their asses off. I'm sure I could work circles around you in the teaching profession, as I
would have in my previous career as a government contractor. Get in the ring, if you think you can survive. I seriously doubt it.
There are bums in every profession, I'm sure you set an example of one in yours.
And what kind of marooon makes a profession into a 10 year stint? Why not do that with MD's? They make more money than teachers. What a lame idea.
I made a lot more money at SAIC, but decided to change careers so I could give back to our young and our community, which is why I love high school.
I can pass on a lot of real life experience to those just entering the adult world.
How about you? Do anything at all for our future, our country, or just yourself? Yep, that's what I thought, just you, you, you. I've served our
community and our country, unlike whiners like you.
Put some critical thinking skills into your ideas before you put forth such half baked drivel. Weak sauce.
John
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Sorry John, but in addition to my private sector job, I also taught Jr. College, my wife an Adjunct Professor at a University as well as a CIO in the
private sector. And I do know many retired teachers living in La Canada, Del Mar, Arcadia, La Jolla, and lot's of other places too. Sorry, you
didn't make the "grade".
SAIC is just a government tit sucker too. All giant jobs with 60% of the money going to accounting requirements for the government to support their
army of tax payer leaches too.
I never said teachers don't work their asses off, some do, most don't. I just said they shouldn't have tax payer paid jobs for life. If they're
good enough, they can still be teachers in private schools and universities, if not, they go back into the private sector generating real tax revenue.
If you can't see the need for that, well, chances are you're a liberal.
10 years on the public dime, then you're back out in the private sector. No retirement from a public sector job. Yea, what a horrible idea. Your
idea? Do nothing, push public unions, and bankrupt city after city and state after state. Good idea John.
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