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Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  | Back it up with Claymore mines, set low enough to get ALL the women and kids....Put that on live TV THEN the Bubba boys will be happy.....
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I think you can only get away with doing that in Israel, where they practice apartheid laws.
BTW, in a little country like Israel, where its easier to put up walls. The Palestinians and other Muslim, countries dig tunnels all over the place
and come out on the other side.
Walls don't work, and they are often powerless against ladders and shovels.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed | Modern military tactics 101 versus a medieval wall
If the wall is built, the protective fields of fire are now on our side of the border when the wall is crossed over our breached by a massed hoard.
Innocent Americans now become collateral damage.
A massed hoard, now armed to the teeth, shooting willy nilly across the border into the innocents?
Provide proof of this assertion, with statements from ANYONE.
The CBP guys don't want the wall exactly for this reason.
As of now the protective and defensive fields of fire are on the Mexican side of the border where it belongs.
Are you SURE?....
"In a survey conducted by the National Border Patrol Council, the agents’ union, they overwhelmingly
supported adding a “wall system” in strategic locations, embracing President Trump’s argument that it will boost their ability to nab or deter
would-be illegal immigrants"
“The U.S. Border Patrol has been very clear that a border wall is essential to gaining operational control
of the Southwest border,” said Benjamine Huffman, the chief of the Border Patrol’s strategic plan and analysis directorate. “The fact is, when
it comes to border security, the border walls system works. Suggestions that the Border Patrol believes otherwise are false.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/us/politics/border-patrol...
Please include a link, a citation or other evidence that PROVES your assertion the CBP, who are on the ground 7/24 365, don't' want the wall.
The wall is pure political Mattis & Haley in 2020
How can it be pure political or ANYTHING when it's not even 2020 yet?
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Walls are used around the world and have been effective for thousands of years. The new wall in San Diego has been such a huge deterrent, agents are
asking for the identical wall be built across as much as possible of the border.
The only way around a massive wall is to change the law that anybody found in the country illegally cannot ask for asylum and is automatically
deported. I'd like to see their home country charged for all incarceration and deportation costs too.
While we're at it, we need voter ID laws just like Mexico too. No ID, not vote.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cancamo |
El Gato has it right, a wall will do nothing to stop anyone who wants over, around, through, or under it. How many tunnels exist in the border zone
alone, not to mention the possibilities in the vast frontier of the border.
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El Gato has it wrong......you swallowed it whole.
PROOF has been provided to you, a wall will work.
You provide NOTHING it won't work.
Tunnels.....modern tech...vibration detection devises....up pops the rat....out come the cuffs....hook up.
Ladders.....one at time up and over.....drones shooting the images to nearby agents...….hooked up before they can get to the bottom.
Go around it...…...WHERE?.....ok ok swim the Rio Grande...more agents who are freed up from the other areas being secure......hook up.....while the
water still drips off their backs.
River patrol boats......7/24 365.....net em out of the water.
Sling shot over it?....nah
Flying cars to get over it?......sci-fi
Dynamite?....seriously"
Vast possibilities in the frontier?.. After trekking the vast frontier, laden down with tunneling gear, supports, chains, rope, lighting, air pump
devises, air lines, lumber to shore it all up, 18' long ladders, a catapult and a crate of dynamite.
No buildings to hide the gear, a creostoe bush for cover, and pop out into the "vast" frontier......where the only foe is flying drones and CBP on
7/24 365 patrol.
While a roaming drone films it all.....the HOURS upon HOURS it would take to dig down 10', 10' high piles of fresh dirt/sand....under the wall, dig UP
10', another 10' high pile of fresh dirt/sand....and crawl out ONE AT A TIME......
ANOTHER NON SERIOUS EXCUSE
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Dali, you have made my point precisely, with modern technology, ie: motion sensors, drones, detection devices, satellites, and more CBP, why would you
need a wall?
Or if a wall would work, why would you need all of the above????
"The Wall" is a shiny object to keep the base focused, nothing more.
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Who Dat Did Done da Deed ?
Tit for Tat here won't settle THAT.
The polling (currently running against the Reichsfuhrer) WILL.
And that will determine the course and content of the eventual compromise.
Stay tuned Thursday or Friday. NOTHING is likely to occur prior to 03 January and that first day is probably going to be mostly procedural.
It "could" be a lot of fun.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Timinator |
Not a single liberal idea built the United States into the country that everybody else in the world wants to migrate to, they were all Conservative
principles. Keep that in mind. |
Only Americans say this.....I dont mind Americans being proud of their country as they are taught to be....but this whole bull crap about EVERYONE
wanting to migrate there is simply not true.
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Right on Shari....
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cancamo | Dali, you have made my point precisely, with modern technology, ie: motion sensors, drones, detection devices, satellites, and more CBP, why would you
need a wall?
Or if a wall would work, why would you need all of the above????
"The Wall" is a shiny object to keep the base focused, nothing more. |
CBP has sensors, drones, detection devises and more CBP agents in place now.
"Over the last 24 years, the Border Patrol has already expanded significantly, from fewer than 5,000 agents in
1992 to just under 20,000 FY 2016
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2017/07/07/struggling-...
https://www.cnet.com/news/how-the-border-patrol-uses-tech-to...
https://www.livescience.com/5504-radar-aims-detect-illegal-t...
And still.....nearly half a million illegals are apprehended each year. 50,000 thousand a month.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
And still dangerous drugs get in every day, every week and every year..
Still criminal illegal aliens get in.....
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistic...
A wall never sleeps, rain, shine, lightening, flash floods, 115 degress, no sick time, never a vacation, no pregnancy leave, no fuel, no batteries, no
horse feed or corrals, no 4x4 quads, no pay issues, never goes on strike, no political issues, no tech issues, loss of connectivity, signal strength
or the wrath of gawd.
Everyday, week in and week out, month in and month out......the wall is there to deter all manners of those seeking to enter illegally.
Those who do manage to somehow get by that wall, the tech you mention, is there to alert the CBP who is on patrol 7/24 365
Hook em up.
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| Quote: Originally posted by shari | | Quote: Originally posted by Timinator |
Not a single liberal idea built the United States into the country that everybody else in the world wants to migrate to, they were all Conservative
principles. Keep that in mind. |
Only Americans say this.....I dont mind Americans being proud of their country as they are taught to be....but this whole bull crap about EVERYONE
wanting to migrate there is simply not true. |
The facts..from the horses mouth DHS
From Albania to Zimbabwe....by the numbers.
FY 2015 to FY 2017
.Immigants to the USA.
"The 2017 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics is a compendium of tables that provide data on foreign nationals
who are granted lawful permanent residence (i.e., immigrants who receive a “green card”), admitted as temporary nonimmigrants, granted asylum or
refugee status, or are naturalized"
https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2017/tab...
The USA leads the entire world in immigration.
"By a wide margin, the U.S. has more immigrants than any other country in the world. As of 2015, the United Nations estimates that 46.6 million people
living in the United States were not born there. This means that about one-in-five international migrants (19%) live in the U.S. The U.S. immigrant
population is nearly four times that of the world’s next largest immigrant destination – Germany, with about 12 million immigrants"
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/18/5-facts-abou...
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| Quote: Originally posted by shari | | Quote: Originally posted by Timinator |
Not a single liberal idea built the United States into the country that everybody else in the world wants to migrate to, they were all Conservative
principles. Keep that in mind. |
Only Americans say this.....I dont mind Americans being proud of their country as they are taught to be....but this whole bull crap about EVERYONE
wanting to migrate there is simply not true. |
Looks like a home run from here.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Here’s the real reason Democrats are so opposed to the wall even though just a few years ago they were in favor of it. It’s all about voters and
power. They know that the birth rate of immigrants is 3 – 4 times that of native American citizens and in just a generation or two they will
control the country until it’s ultimate collapse. The following is reprinted from another source but undeniably true.
Democrats have abandoned the traditional working-class American voter for the sake of importing millions from the third world who tend to vote for big
government and a leftist welfare state.
Since the left cannot convince the traditional working-class American voter to come over to their side, they have adopted another strategy. That
strategy is to replace that voter with different voters who are more likely to vote for free stuff from the government – namely third world
immigrants.
This is indeed the only way the Democrats can win, and if they succeed in tipping the electorate’s demographics enough, they will presumably win
forever. To realize this simple truth, you needn’t look any further than the 2016 or 2018 election voting trends by demographic groups.
The Democrats are betting that by 2020 or 2024, the country’s electorate will be composed mainly of mindless neo-Marxist millennials and third-world
immigrants who both share a proclivity for voting for the modern leftist nanny state.
A wall would inevitably mean a drastic reduction in illegal third world immigration into this country. If Trump and working-class American voters get
their wall, it will muck up and drastically slow down the Democrats’ plans for demographic change in the states. This would give individuals who
find themselves on today’s ‘right’; conservatives, classical liberals, etc., time to convince indoctrinated working-class millennials that
voting for leftists is entirely against their interests.
Because these days very few rightists are moving to the left, this is a game Democrats do not wish to play. As each day passes, and as the overtone
window shifts, more and more people realize that there is no place for them on the modern neo-Marxist left. Increasingly, if you fall under any of the
following labels, the neo-Marxist Democrats have identified and labeled you as an ‘oppressor’: Christians, cisgendered (i.e., male or female),
straight and ethnically Caucasian men and women of the working class.
As it becomes more and more apparent to those who fall under these categories that the Democrats have abandoned them and even wish to replace them,
greater and greater numbers will inevitably gravitate towards conservatism.
As we head into the second week of the government shutdown over the funding of the border wall, we shouldn’t expect Democrats to give up an inch of
territory. Remember, for their strategy to be successful they must have a foreign invasion. The traditional domestic population of this country does
not share the modern Democrat’s worldview any longer, and they are well aware of this.
Living Large in Loreto. Off-grid and happy.
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I'm guessing the House Dems don't budge on the funding for the "wall". No money - no buildy. Though this conversation has been somewhat eye-opening,
the lack of funding will likely make this whole discussion a moot point.
With more than 60% of illegal immigration stemming from over-staying visas - not climbing, jumping, swimming and tunneling, the place to improve
border control is with improved policy. Along with improved policy, needs to be a mechanism that allows easier asylum/integration. Why? Because if you
make it too difficult to assimilate, people will just try to do it illegally.
Were your parents or grandparents direct immigrants to the US? What makes the Country so great, is that it is a melting pot of ambitious, hard-working
people who want a better life. It's not so difficult to see that our parents, grandparents and great-grandparents were of this mindset; wanting more
than the oppression and poverty they fled. The basis of immigration is what the US was founded-on, and is still equally important today. We're
hypocrites if we don't make an effort to make it work.
None of the aforementioned will make any sense if you're racist. If you're for the "wall", examine your motivation.
[Edited on 12-31-2018 by imlost]
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South Africa, Kenya and Nigeria experience problems too
For a global "view" on opinions on immigration and/or emigration ... please see:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/12/10/many-worldwi...
One can easily see that race is not a singular defining issue globally
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Only Dummies Love Trump ?
Clearly, other than Racist, Low IQ, Hateful Whites voted for Dirtbag Donald.
The reasons were many. Not least of which was the deep animus for Hillary and a desire among frustrated voters who'd been letdown repeatedly
by the broken promises of the entrenched politico class who said whatever necessary (without sincerity) to insure their own continuing spot
at the public feeding trough. For many (too many) a vote for the conman was a giant F - U to the system.
No, you didn't have to be dumb or racist to have voted for Trump, although he certainly got 90+ percent of the
latter group. The affair with Donald for those who hate is glorious truelove.
BUT you DO have to be a real Dimwit to actually BELIEVE the B.S. he
peddles.
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After this past several weeks...there can be NO doubt the man is nuts
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| Quote: Originally posted by ncampion | Here’s the real reason Democrats are so opposed to the wall even though just a few years ago they were in favor of it. It’s all about voters and
power. They know that the birth rate of immigrants is 3 – 4 times that of native American citizens and in just a generation or two they will
control the country until it’s ultimate collapse. The following is reprinted from another source but undeniably true.
Democrats have abandoned the traditional working-class American voter for the sake of importing millions from the third world who tend to vote for big
government and a leftist welfare state.
Since the left cannot convince the traditional working-class American voter to come over to their side, they have adopted another strategy. That
strategy is to replace that voter with different voters who are more likely to vote for free stuff from the government – namely third world
immigrants.
This is indeed the only way the Democrats can win, and if they succeed in tipping the electorate’s demographics enough, they will presumably win
forever. To realize this simple truth, you needn’t look any further than the 2016 or 2018 election voting trends by demographic groups.
The Democrats are betting that by 2020 or 2024, the country’s electorate will be composed mainly of mindless neo-Marxist millennials and third-world
immigrants who both share a proclivity for voting for the modern leftist nanny state.
A wall would inevitably mean a drastic reduction in illegal third world immigration into this country. If Trump and working-class American voters get
their wall, it will muck up and drastically slow down the Democrats’ plans for demographic change in the states. This would give individuals who
find themselves on today’s ‘right’; conservatives, classical liberals, etc., time to convince indoctrinated working-class millennials that
voting for leftists is entirely against their interests.
Because these days very few rightists are moving to the left, this is a game Democrats do not wish to play. As each day passes, and as the overtone
window shifts, more and more people realize that there is no place for them on the modern neo-Marxist left. Increasingly, if you fall under any of the
following labels, the neo-Marxist Democrats have identified and labeled you as an ‘oppressor’: Christians, cisgendered (i.e., male or female),
straight and ethnically Caucasian men and women of the working class.
As it becomes more and more apparent to those who fall under these categories that the Democrats have abandoned them and even wish to replace them,
greater and greater numbers will inevitably gravitate towards conservatism.
As we head into the second week of the government shutdown over the funding of the border wall, we shouldn’t expect Democrats to give up an inch of
territory. Remember, for their strategy to be successful they must have a foreign invasion. The traditional domestic population of this country does
not share the modern Democrat’s worldview any longer, and they are well aware of this.
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This must be from MSNBC right? Please provide link.  
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De-nile is not just a river in Egypt.
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | Clearly, other than Racist, Low IQ, Hateful Whites voted for Dirtbag Donald.
The reasons were many. Not least of which was the deep animus for Hillary and a desire among frustrated voters who'd been letdown repeatedly
by the broken promises of the entrenched politico class who said whatever necessary (without sincerity) to insure their own continuing spot
at the public feeding trough. For many (too many) a vote for the conman was a giant F - U to the system.
No, you didn't have to be dumb or racist to have voted for Trump, although he certainly got 90+ percent of the
latter group. The affair with Donald for those who hate is glorious truelove.
BUT you DO have to be a real Dimwit to actually BELIEVE the B.S. he
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Was discussing the educational level of those who voted for Hillary ... Not Trump
Is someone stating that the Black voting block has a higher educational level than White voters ... or Hispanic's ?
It isn't a trick question ... and I have stated many times I did NOT support Trump on any issue, other than Immigration ... That would be reducing the
number of Illegal Immigrants ... Where ever they come from ... By following the existing LAW on the books in Title 8 ... period
IF the Dem's wish to change the current immigration LAW .... Then change it and get on with business ... this has been going on since the 60's
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publicatio...
The link is from 2015 which should have included the majority of voters in the 2016 election
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