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MrBillM
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According to NASA Satellite Data ?
3.3 mm per year ?
Assuming that identical circumstances impossibility, an inch+ per decade isn't going to "appear" dramatic (or even perceptible ?) in any
photo.
Nice try, though.
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mtgoat666
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sea level change is causing coastal flooding in communities throughout the USA. https://www.npr.org/2019/07/10/739466268/high-tide-flooding-...
when sea level rises, high tides get higher, and storm drains or grades designed for lower sea level no longer work properly and flooding is the
result 
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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motoged
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For everyone....and not just the "Davids" (who are not being picked on , but are being invited into the conversation):
"knowing" is an elusive concept, and is a term folks may use to buttress their beliefs...and can be used as a trump card (pun appreciated) to
authenticate their beliefs.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/epistemology
Spend a bit of time researching "epistemology" and be curious as to how your beliefs may be limiting (i.e limiting belief systems).
Just sayin' ....
[Edited on 7-12-2019 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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SFandH
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Obviously
The earth is at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolve around it.
I mean seeing is believing, it's a fact. Prove otherwise.
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Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  | The earth is at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolve around it.
I mean seeing is believing, it's a fact. Prove otherwise. |
some can't be reached
Harald Pietschmann
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MrBillM
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Structure of the Universe
It has been obvious to me since childhood that the earth is at the center of the Universe.
Given that the Universe revolves around ME !
I just ordered a T-Shirt affirming that.
"YES, In Fact, Everything IS About ME !"
To be fair, I ordered one for Mi Esposa, too. After all, she is WITH me.
Seriously, though, this whole "Proof" business is a misdirection intended to justify lack of ANY
action. Face it, once conclusive proof arrived, effective remedial action would not likely be effective.
While economics must be a part of the discussion, pursuing actions to moderate and minimize our negative impacts on the environment
should be our goal.
When facing the unknown, the question should ALWAYS be: "What are the consequences of being wrong ?"
We KNOW that a variety of Social/Industrial policies are in need of moderation, cleansing and (possibly) elimination.
Filthy COAL would be right at the TOP of that list.
We need to (at least) START heading in the right direction.
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Classic cognitive dissonance
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BajaRat
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David, for the love of Communists and N-zis please stop using the palm tree argument
You can't base static measurements off a dynamic beach sand environment constantly being effected by wind, tide and sea
And as you well know as sea level rises it will simply spill off the sides of the flat earth
This has been going on for over 6 thousand years
Please stop saying can't we all just be nice to each other after insulting someone
Lionel 
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You mean like calling people N-zis because they ask you to look beyond what you think you know and beyond your palm tree bubble?
You don't think reducing our carbon output and protecting our planet matters?
Do you look around your neighborhood at successful, affluent families and think that there is no hunger or strife because you don't see it in front of
you?
Do you really think that 8 inches of sea-level rise across the oceans would be apparent to the untrained eye on a two-mile coastline?
You are truly the frog in the boiling pot of water. This is fine. It's all fine. Nothing to see here. The palm tree proves it.
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Wait a minute!! Scientists say the sea is maybe 2 or 3 inches higher over the past 1/2 century or so. OF COURSE, those palm tree photos, especially
the ones from the highway PROVE the scientists are wrong!!
AND, the prediction that the rate of sea-level rise is going to increase leading to levels that will cause coastal flooding is a HOAX. I mean, Al Gore
thinks it true so obviously it can't be.
CO2 is plant food for goodness sakes, it can't be bad.
[Edited on 7-21-2019 by SFandH]
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A single palm tree on the Bay of Conception means zero to the planet wide affects of undeniable man made climate change.
Please try to educate yourself on so much that you don't know, or choose not to know.
Deny the overwhelming % of world wide scientists that are not into looking for funding, but just seek to educate all of us for the future that we may
still be able of affect with our actions.
Do we care what we are leaving for future generations or not.
Each of us in the meantime can do what we can and know what is needed to preserve life on this special gem of a planet.
Recently, with all the references to the moon shot fifty years ago, some of those early explorers to this day hope for an expanded consciousness on
how special our planet is in the cosmos and how much our mother earth should be defended at all costs.
The most all of us can/should do is to support future generations being able to live in this fragile ecosystem.
This fragility is becoming all too evident. Denying that man has an effect requires buying onto that nature always has the upper hand.
At what point of degradation will it take to convince deniers that man is destroying our livability?
There are so many resources available that provide overwhelming condemning, undeniable evidence that man is responsible for the increase in CO2 and
methane being released into the atmosphere.
To those hangers on, please try to better inform yourselves than relying upon single unreliable examples of nothing changing at a particular site over
the last fifty years.
There are overwhelming examples available that disprove these suppositions. Do try to update your false assumptions of man not having an effective
change in climate.
Our childrens' future is at stake. A lone palm tree on a beach is not proof. Other areas are suffering under such misconceptions. There will be many
more to come.
Which side do you want to be known for as history judges the inevitable?
Here I go again calling for some reason in an unreasonable climate of deniability.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | You are free to believe what you want.
The climate and sea level is not altered from human activity. We are not mightier than Nature.
Things do change, but slowly. We cannot alter the natural changes.
We can make things ugly but we can also clean things up. All is not lost.
Get outside, see for yourself, life is good. |
Nuclear Winter, better buy a warm jacket while the're on sale.
Man can't alter nature ? Deforestation ? Radio active waste in our oceans ?
Now , back to beach erosion in Baja California and what's being done in an attempt to combat it.
Lionel
[Edited on 7-22-2019 by BajaRat]
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mtgoat666
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Here is what they teach at DK Community College!
A little 2 oz bourbon drink is good, so a my drinking a liter tonite will be better!
Applying 3 oz/gal Round-up herbicide is good, so applying 30 oz/gal will be 10x better!
A fire in my fire place is good, so setting my house on fire is better!
When my daughter was 3 years old she was shorter than the palm tree, now that she is 18 years old she is still shorter than the palm tree, she must
not have grown at all!
Shooting stars are so pretty when I go camping, and the bigger ones are more fun to see, so a 2-mile-wide meteor will be super pretty!
Woke!
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bajafam
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | You are free to believe what you want.
The climate and sea level is not altered from human activity. We are not mightier than Nature.
Get outside, see for yourself, life is good. |
Really?? We haven't had ANY impact on the planet whatsoever? We haven't had a hand in killing off entire species or destroying entire forests, or
contaminating entire bodies of water? Since the Industrial Revolution, human impact and decimation have increased exponentially. Do you truly believe
we humans just happily live within nature causing no harm, no foul?
I practically LIVE outside, David. My family lives on 12 acres of wilderness, which we have definitely altered from our human activity after 14 years
of living on it. It would take centuries to go back to the way it was before we moved onto it.
I DO see for myself, but I also see the bigger picture. The planet is much larger than the tiny parcel upon which I live. And I've negatively impacted
it just by existing upon it. I don't see how you can be willfully ignorant enough to think that you don't.
Life is good? That's a nice sentiment, but I bet more people than not don't feel that way. It may be good for you, but that's kind of the whole point.
YOUR tiny view doesn't speak for anyone but YOU. Life is good is a feel groovy vibe that denies the suffering of others because you have the privilege
and good fortune to not suffer. It's condescending, at best.
Look beyond your palm tree, friend. Reality is out there and it's not always sunshine and rainbows. We humans have a duty to do the best we can to fix
the devastation we've caused. Not just pretend we had nothing to do with it. Gross.
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SFandH
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And we are not mighter than Mother Nature. We can dump a bazillion tons of green house gases into the atmosphere and Mother Nature will say "so what,
it's not going to change anything". I know this to be true because I believe it. No way we can affect Mother Nature. She bats last you know.
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you're all wasting your time, DK will just claim its all liberal hogwash!
http://mentalfloss.com/article/82403/6-ways-humans-influence...
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Good gravy, you're thick.
Go to the beach. Yeah, no human-caused issues there.
Go outside. Yeah, no human-caused destruction there.
Life is good.
Be nice.
Do something that matters.
I hope you are teaching your children to be better to the planet than you are.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Even if it was, you are not so arrogant to think man has the ability to reverse this, do you?
What is the goal of this fear? Suck more taxpayer money out of workers' pockets? Bigger government?
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Man has the ability to stop contributing to the increase in global temperature. As to the rest of your drivel:
covfefe
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bajafam
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | Even if it was, you are not so arrogant to think man has the ability to reverse this, do you?
What is the goal of this fear? Suck more taxpayer money out of workers' pockets? Bigger government?
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Man has the ability to stop contributing to the increase in global temperature. As to the rest of your drivel:
covfefe |
Get back in that boiling water pot, frog! It's fine and there's nothing we can do! So do nothing! Life is Good, dammit! Good, I say!!
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OK, but I know the vast majority of the world's scientists are conspiring to raise my taxes and put coal miners out of work. Isn't that what
scientists do? Hannity says so.
[Edited on 7-21-2019 by SFandH]
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