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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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We have 8 cases here now...19 over the whole year...and these are the result of family gatherings over the holidays and people are being more careful
and there is alot of testing going on now and a few asymptomatic folks have it. The one death which was very sad here was due to a number of
comorbidity issues.
I grow weary of name calling etc if someone presents alternative ideas or beliefs. One persons truth is anothers fallacy. You do you.
Drinking the koolaide is a huge problem in the sheeple club. I have no reason to trust the government nor its stats and there is alot of information
out there that gives me reason to doubt what the mainstream media feeds us. There I said it....
Why when someone presents another point of view is it discounted as a conspiracy theory?
WAke up.
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AKgringo
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I get tired of the "master debaters" that turn any thread into their personal platform, regardless of the original topic!
Make your point, and then let the tread move on! If you have much more to say, start your own thread and invite your adversary to come master debate
with you!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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David K
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Time for more "Peace, Love, and Fish Tacos" (as Perry would say)! 
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BajaRun
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Nomad has gone to trash talking and name calling. Sad because this could be a great site, but it certainly is not
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DouglasP
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Quote: Originally posted by caj13  | In this particular case Douglas, I disagree with your assessment.
What I see here is gnuey posting a bunch of crystallicking unicorn fart completely debunked nonsence, which matters because -; The real virus is a
real medical issue, and societal issue - we look to be headed for half a million deaths by March, and we still have clowns denying its a virus,
posting bogus claims about vaccines, casting dispersions on the research.
We don't need anyone spouting their personal bull chit here - we need everyone pulling together to try and get a handle on this thing, to try and
get the upper hand.
we really need to follow the science here, not crackpot proclamations by an ignorant individual who wants attention, and doesn't care at all that
people are dying every day of covid, including patients in the hospital his wife works in, even as he denies it, (but gets his vaccine!)
[Edited on 1-18-2021 by caj13]
[Edited on 1-18-2021 by caj13] |
caj, you forgot to preface your whole stinky diatribe with "In my opinion."
Because, after all, that's all it is, your opinion.
Are you Goat's spokesman now?  
I like beer, better than most people.
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motoged
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| Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP |
.... you forgot to preface your whole stinky diatribe with "In my opinion."
Because, after all, that's all it is, your opinion.
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Douglas,
It appears .... you forgot to preface your whole stinky diatribe with "In my opinion"....
Don't believe everything you think....
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: Originally posted by shari |
Why when someone presents another point of view is it discounted as a conspiracy theory?
WAke up. |
When a 'theory' costs lives and spreads an infection then, yes, it should be pursued violently and debunked every time.
This pandemic didn't need to reach this proportions in the US. There was a time back in March when we could've put a lid on it and were expected to.
But the 'theorists' as you call them said it's just a flu, go about your business. So now we have 400,000 and we still haven't learned our lessons. We
still have proponents of 'theories' and the pandemic grows. So yes, I very much am against anyone who tries to convince people of their 'theories'.
Not only are they harming us directly but they're spreading their lies and causing harm through their converts.
And yes the image clearly states 19 cases for the epidemic and 8 active cases that have occurred within the last 2 weeks.
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DouglasP
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | | Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP |
.... you forgot to preface your whole stinky diatribe with "In my opinion."
Because, after all, that's all it is, your opinion.
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Douglas,
It appears .... you forgot to preface your whole stinky diatribe with "In my opinion"....
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I like beer, better than most people.
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David K
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This is what happens when we are not able to go to Baja to let off some steam!
BajaRun, this site has nearly 20 years of fantastic trip reports, photos, and more... Go back in time in those forums.
Yes, the site software could be updated again, make our photos post without resizing first, stuff like that... But, all in all, even with JJJ popping
in weekly or fortnightly, Doug has maintained the ship to stay afloat for us to get a 'Baja Fix' when we are not there or help each other out.
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gnukid
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Moderna and Pfizer both note their product is not a vaccine, it is gene therapy. Moderna says they were hoping for gene therapy for cancer treatment,
but they pivoted to experiment with gene therapy to alter your RNA replication with synthesized gene product to reduce symptoms for RNA virus
expression?
The gene therapy is injected into your deep muscle tissue, encased in nano particles, in the hope that it will enter your cells and forever change
your RNA, supposedly in the hopes your symptoms from environmental stress will be different?
There is no autoimmune response in COVID19 "vaccines" like vaccines supposedly provoked in the past. Now, perfectly healthy people are experimenting
with gene therapy in hopes that it might alter their symptoms in the future when experiencing flu like symptoms? But there has been no longterm
testing on high risk demographics, and there are many severe adverse reactions.
Is anyone paying attention?
How about you begin Cancer Chemotherapy treatment even though you don't have cancer too?
Or remove your appendix even though you haven't yet experienced a problem?
The entire COVID story makes no sense, if you were sick and you have something resembling low number of antibodies (antigen) or something, then you
have immunity, but if you have high number of antibodies you are sick and don't have immunity, either way you need a vaccine, which isn't a vaccine,
but is gene splicing therapy to alter your RNA and genome permanently with an experimental product that has no long term testing and has never been
done before, yet, youwill still need to wear a mask, isolate, distance, and use toxic cleaners, and the virus will mutate and you will need vaccines
forever, for every strain of flu like symptoms, except that 99.9% survive and only those who were already close to dying, will die.
Never has a unique COVID Sars2 Virus been isolated, they simply said we found RNA in people complaining about flu like symptoms and it looks like
this... photo, sometimes.
No evidence that COVID is a contagion, nor that masks protect against a microscopic expression, nor that it causes a disease or injury, all we know is
that people experienced flu like symptoms when stressed in a toxic polluted environment and 99.9% survive, people who were dying, died.
Oh and common flu no longer exists?
Take a moment to pay attention to what you are being told, it doesn't add up.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/virus-used-gene-ther...
https://www.rt.com/usa/512825-moderna-california-vaccine-adv...
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/13000-ny-nursing-home-res...
https://www.rt.com/news/512736-israel-facial-paralysis-13-co...
https://unshackledminds.com/cdc-issues-new-guidelines-launch...
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mtgoat666
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Some nomads became detached from reality and began posting Qanon conspiracies, anti-science covid-denial nonsense, and right wing blather,... and
nomads took offense because sane people called bullchit on the lunatic fringe.
And one wonders why gringos fell for trump hook, line and sinker!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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caj13
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for the record Lancair flyer. turns out I am a real life scientist - Biologist by trade. I do not work in epidemiology or pandemics, I work on
turning life on and off at the cellular level. Potential Applications include, space travel, terminal diseases, dealing with drought, food
distribution etc.
I do however allow my training to guide me on the whole pandemic.
Google is your friend people, there is lots of good information out there - and bad info as well.
The questions are
1. are you willing to actually do a bit of on-line research?
2. are you capable of judging the veracity of the information - vetting the sources, etc.
It's not hard people, but you do need an inquisitive mind and a commitment to knowing the truth!
Gnuey posts gobs of "information here" all of it easily and quickly disproven. So i wonder why so many here rush to his defense. It's OK to post
false info that potentially is damaging to ones health,..
But when someone points out his "info" is fake news, and provides reliable resources to prove Gnueys spouting are wrong -
well then many here feel the need to jump on the guy calling Bull Chit, try and personally attack them because ? why?
you can't counter their facts?
your only recourse is to result in personal attacks? because? why?
Do facts not matter to you?
You have a problem with the facts I post - please have at it - show me your science! I've been wrong lots of times, but I am more than willing to
change my beliefs - as soon as you show me the science!
So far no one seems to be willing to do that here, instead they head for the old tired well you are a bad guy because you made my friend cry!
Nice!
Grow up - lets try living in a fact based reality! Try it, the truth may set you free!
[Edited on 1-19-2021 by caj13]
[Edited on 1-19-2021 by caj13]
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motoged
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Some facts about this winter's influenza infection rates.....and Covid infections:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/influenza-remarkably-absent-in-bc-covid-19-pandemic-1.5878835
Don't believe everything you think....
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caj13
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So GnuKid - what is your source for this statement ?
and I quoute gnuey from above:
Moderna and Pfizer both note their product is not a vaccine, it is gene therapy. Moderna says they were hoping for gene therapy for cancer treatment,
but they pivoted to experiment with gene therapy to alter your RNA replication with synthesized gene product to reduce symptoms for RNA virus
expression?
The gene therapy is injected into your deep muscle tissue, encased in nano particles, in the hope that it will enter your cells and forever change
your RNA, supposedly in the hopes your symptoms from environmental stress will be different?
There is no autoimmune response in COVID19 "vaccines" like vaccines supposedly provoked in the past. Now, perfectly healthy people are experimenting
with gene therapy in hopes that it might alter their symptoms in the future when experiencing flu like symptoms? But there has been no longterm
testing on high risk demographics, and there are many severe adverse reactions.
Is anyone paying attention?"
So lets just start with the easy stuff - Give us a reference as to where you got this information!
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thebajarunner
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I personally don't like the idea of taking an injection that will alter my RNA, my DNA or any other of my built in systemic parts.
However, I also don't like the idea of getting this crappy plague.
Right now I have 9 employees (out of a total of 49) home with a positive.... and it all started with an off campus party.... sigh.
I also have a very close fiend in ICU and Pete ain't gonna make it.
So I will take the shot, and hope that a few years down the road it did not have some of those nasty "unintended consequences" that so often crop up.
Trump, well, that's a different matter.
Loved most of what he did
Hated the way he did it.
Not a good person
He reminds me of the Olympic ski jumper who jumped 200 feet farther than the all time record, and landed on his head.
Execution- high marks
Style points- ZERO!!!
By the way, his pardon total as of yesterday was under 100
Obama's was over 1900...... just the facts, folks, just the facts....
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner |
Right now I have 9 employees (out of a total of 49) home with a positive.... and it all started with an off campus party.... sigh.
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My son is a freshmen. He did 1st semester remote. Just went to in person class this month. We flew out to Michigan last week to move him into
school. He went to a large frat party. Don't care if he gets it, he will be fine and have immunity. Ppl have to live. Getting it and only being
around college age kids is one of the safer ways to do it.
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gnukid
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Be aware of the basic points about the radical experimental untested gene therapy products being pushed out to populations ... here are a few articles
that discuss the Moderna and Pfizer gene therapy to splice synthetic mRNA to produce proteins that do not stop COVID infections but instead feed the
viral infection with more proteins. Find out what the injection is and what it does? It doesn't stop infection of covid. It feeds the infection with
increased proteins that may have a positive or adverse affect. Do your own research.
Definition of vaccine
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine
Top WHO scientist says vaccinated travelers should still quarantine, citing lack of evidence that COVID-19 vaccines prevent transmission
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-says-no-evidence-coronav...
Suspicions grow that nanoparticles in Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine trigger rare allergic reactions
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nano...
Virus used in gene therapies may pose cancer risk, dog study hints
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/virus-used-gene-ther...
Modified RNA has a direct effect on DNA
https://phys.org/news/2020-01-rna-effect-dna.html
Why Rushing a COVID-19 Vaccine by November Could Be Dangerous
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-rushing-a-covid-1...
VERIFY: Moderna, Pfizer vaccines may prevent disease, but not infection
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-moderna-and...
Vaccines won't end Covid so keep wearing your mask, top health official says
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/04/health/us-coronavirus-fri...
WHO Chief Warns Vaccine Won’t End Covid-19 Pandemic As Moderna, Pfizer Announce Early Successes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2020/11/16/who-chief...
This mysterious $2 billion biotech is revealing the secrets behind its new drugs and vaccines
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/mysterious-2-billion...
What's the difference between mRNA vaccines and conventional ones?
https://www.foxnews.com/health/difference-between-mrna-conve...
Inside Moderna: The Covid Vaccine Front-Runner With No Track Record and an Unsparing CEO
https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-moderna-the-covid-vaccin...
A Coronavirus Vaccine Project Takes a Page From Gene Therapy
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/health/gene-therapy-harva...
Sarepta Plunges On Big Gene-Therapy Trial Miss
https://www.thestreet.com/video/sarepta-plunges-on-big-gene-...
Vaccine providers have been recommended to pause the administration of a specific lot of the #Moderna #COVID19 vaccine due to possible allergic
reactions that are under investigation.
https://twitter.com/ShawnaKhalafiTV/status/13510239381308743...
Could mRNA COVID-19 vaccines be dangerous in the long-term?
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-b...
Histone modifications are the influencers of zygotic genome awakening
https://phys.org/news/2019-10-histone-modifications-zygotic-...
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jamiec
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| Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner | | I personally don't like the idea of taking an injection that will alter my RNA, my DNA or any other of my built-in systemic parts.
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It doesn't alter genetic material. This is a common anti-vaxxer argument that is false.
From Harvard Medical School: An mRNA vaccine — the first COVID-19 vaccine to be granted emergency use authorization (EUA) by the FDA — cannot
change your DNA.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/preve...
Because conspiracy theories seem to be running rampant everywhere lately, I'd recommend this six-part video series that explains why people fall for
conspiracy theories, the psychology of conspiracy theories, and the damage they do to society and democracy. I guarantee anyone that watches this
series will see tons of examples of conspiratorial thinking on this board, on Facebook, and really everywhere. Pandemic + recent election + economic
uncertainty + social media + lockdowns = feelings of powerlessness + lots of people that are spending lots of time researching and spreading
misinformation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6P4wryj1VI&list=PL-7a7e...
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gnukid
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it's synthetic messenger RNA not DNA, mRNA replicates thousands of times a second, often with variations. Introducing synthetic mRNA successfully
causing it to replicate will alter how your body works and may affect your DNA over time.
It's quite intentionally misleading to change the substance of the topic of such importance, then argue against that, also known as fallacy of the
straw man.
It seems you are intent on promotion of misleading info to discourage people from informed consent?
Why not just read the info provided by the manufacturers about their gene therapy using synthetic mRNA and become informed instead of muddying the
waters with nonsense?
[Edited on 1-20-2021 by gnukid]
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pacificobob
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gnukid, you science knowledge is both broad and extensive.
would you please list your science degrees and the universities from which they were awarded...and year earned if not too much trouble. can i assume
you're employed in research?
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