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RFClark
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It wasn’t COVID that was hard on everyone! It was the shagged response by government that was hard on everyone!
As to your feelings about how things would be “better” if the older wiser drug lords still ran things. I would direct you to Italy of the ‘20s -
‘40s where for awhile the trains did run on time. More recently North Korea comes to mind. No crime there either and hunger and poverty are against
the law! A true workers paradise! (Not!!)
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surabi
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | S,
It wasn’t COVID that was hard on everyone! It was the shagged response by government that was hard on everyone!
As to your feelings about how things would be “better” if the older wiser drug lords still ran things. I would direct you to Italy of the ‘20s -
‘40s where for awhile the trains did run on time. More recently North Korea comes to mind. No crime there either and hunger and poverty are against
the law! A true workers paradise! (Not!!) |
Yes, let's fault govts and health professionals for trying to stop the spread of a deadly pandemic. Brilliant.
And there are ways to address and find solutions to poverty and crime other than having a Communist dictatorship.
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | "There are lots of reports out there of what the past two years have done to the mental health of the youth, making them particularly vulnerable to
predatory forces."
Sorry, but I don't buy that. The pandemic was hard on everyone, and certainly hard on kids and parents, with schools and daycares closed, and many
parents busy working from home online. Some parents rose the challenge (yes, surprise surprise, responsible parenting is really hard sometimes),
creating a small bubble of friends and family so the kids would not be totally isolated, did schoolwork with them, came up with interesting and
creative projects to do with them, engaged in lots of outdoor physical activity with them. And some whined and acted like it was just too
overwhelming, letting their kids sit in front of a screen playing video games and doing who knows what online all day, as if that was a suitable
babysitter.
I would also venture a guess that the parents who explained to their kids why these lockdown measures were necessary fared much better than those
whose parents railed against them, talking around and to the kids about how it was stupid and unnecessary, that Covid was overblown, and how the
government is just trying to control everyone.
My grandkids didn't end up being vulnerable to predatory forces, or falling behind in their studies, did yours?
And do I see the solutions I proposed being enhanced? No. I am saying they need to be, because stopping the flow of drugs is a losing proposition and
the resources currently used to try to do that should be redirected to addressing and solving the underlying reasons why anyone wants those drugs in
the first place.
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The pandemic didn't need to be hard on "everyone." Healthy ppl under 50 had very few health risks.
But broad sweeping lock downs made it impact all. They should have done the things necessary to protect the vulnerable.
I don't know if anyone is paying attention, but the amount of lying and misinformation from the government that is coming out now is staggering. Lie
after lie after lie.
Wrecked the economy, crushed thousand upon thousands of small business, set children s learning back 40 years. It's just terrible what these ppl did.
I don't think Americans would stand for the bull-crap again.
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surabi
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"crushed thousand upon thousands of small business, set children s learning back 40 years."
You didn't seem to do too badly, what with the the govt. handouts you received. Still have money to travel, purchase expensive tickets to attend
concerts and professional sporring events, buy gas for all your big boys toys. I wouldn't call that suffering.
And how do you set a 6 year old's learning back 40 years? Did you skip school when basic subtraction was taught?
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John Harper
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You are delusional. Do you even read what you post, or just cut and paste from the Epoch Times?
John
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | "crushed thousand upon thousands of small business, set children s learning back 40 years."
You didn't seem to do too badly, what with the the govt. handouts you received. Still have money to travel, attend concerts, buy gas for all your big
boys toys. I wouldn't call that suffering.
And how do you set a 6 year old's learning back 40 years? Did you skip school when basic subtraction was taught? |
Govt. said in August that test scores where the lowest in 40 years. A bunch of othere mental damages and a big impact on their life time earnings
potential.
Basically the Fed govt. confirmed everything we told them in 2020 would happen, did happen.
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"The pandemic didn't need to be hard on "everyone." Healthy ppl under 50 had very few health risks."
You're very selective when pretending to care about anyone other than yourself. In case you aren't aware, most people don't retire at the age of 50.
Yet anyone over 50 should have stayed home, while everyone else went about as if there was no pandemic and no health risks?
And 71,363 people in the US alone under the age of 50 have died of Covid. And no, they didn't all have some underlying condition, and even if some
did, that doesn't mean they would have died had they not contracted Covid. How many more would have died had there been no lockdowns or mask mandates?
How many preventable deaths are acceptable to you?
And why did you find it necessary to derail a non-political thread dealing with crime, where posters were having thoughtful, respectful dialogue, and
use it as yet another venue to spout your repetitive right-wing views on Covid and the govt.? Don't you ever get bored with repeating yourself
endlessly?
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John Harper
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He went from pulling the wings off flies to being an internet troll. I think we all know why he needs bodyguards in public.
John
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi | "There are lots of reports out there of what the past two years have done to the mental health of the youth, making them particularly vulnerable to
predatory forces."
Sorry, but I don't buy that. The pandemic was hard on everyone, and certainly hard on kids and parents, with schools and daycares closed, and many
parents busy working from home online. Some parents rose the challenge (yes, surprise surprise, responsible parenting is really hard sometimes),
creating a small bubble of friends and family so the kids would not be totally isolated, did schoolwork with them, came up with interesting and
creative projects to do with them, engaged in lots of outdoor physical activity with them. And some whined and acted like it was just too
overwhelming, letting their kids sit in front of a screen playing video games and doing who knows what online all day, as if that was a suitable
babysitter.
I would also venture a guess that the parents who explained to their kids why these lockdown measures were necessary fared much better than those
whose parents railed against them, talking around and to the kids about how it was stupid and unnecessary, that Covid was overblown, and how the
government is just trying to control everyone.
My grandkids didn't end up being vulnerable to predatory forces, or falling behind in their studies, did yours?
And do I see the solutions I proposed being enhanced? No. I am saying they need to be, because stopping the flow of drugs is a losing proposition and
the resources currently used to try to do that should be redirected to addressing and solving the underlying reasons why anyone wants those drugs in
the first place.
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The pandemic didn't need to be hard on "everyone." Healthy ppl under 50 had very few health risks.
But broad sweeping lock downs made it impact all. They should have done the things necessary to protect the vulnerable.
I don't know if anyone is paying attention, but the amount of lying and misinformation from the government that is coming out now is staggering. Lie
after lie after lie.
Wrecked the economy, crushed thousand upon thousands of small business, set children s learning back 40 years. It's just terrible what these ppl did.
I don't think Americans would stand for the bull-crap again.
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They say hindsight is 20/20. In your case, hindsight appears to be 20/200
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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pacificobob
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Zero remaining credibility
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26 years in corrections and a lot of conversations with inmates, same story with most. Parents screwed them up, guys cooking meth at 16 because that
what their parents taught them! They aspired to be a gangster because that's what they were taught.
I will say we need to start in grade school if we are ever going to ever make an impact on any of the social problems. We can't send
kids/adults back to the same environment that put them in jail, it doesn't work!
I don't usually respond to these discussions, but the system is broken no matter what side you are on. I've spent over half of my life living in
the system.
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RFClark
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S,
Italy wasn’t a Communist dictatorship. Mussolini was first a Socialist.
At least in the US government and Health Professionals are not he same thing, Canada and the UK they are practically the same thing. Those health care
professionals who disagreed with the government talking points were silenced and in some cases fired.
There are a rather large number of deaths that can be directly attributed to bad government policies NY, NJ and CA do come to mind here.
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JZ
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Not hindsight bud. We raised objections in real time.
There were so many early warning signs of the mismanagement.
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OT is always available if people want to talk covid mismanagement and US politics....
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Ateo, from your lips to Dougs ears. If only......
It would be good to see a notice posted for those whose inappropriate posts were moved to OT and told where they can find their latest hits.
Hits to our common decency have proliferated to an extent some have left because of them. I must be a glutton for punishment to come on this site
everyday hoping for those gems that brought us all here to begin with. My hope springs eternal nevertheless.
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surabi
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And that is exactly what moderators of other forums I follow do- move posts into the appropriate section, and add a post noting that they have done
that.
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unfortunately "some" here absolutely refuse and "some" here have carte blanche to belt out whatever they please. RHIP I suppose!
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RFClark
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The problems in Baja are not unique to Baja. Just as weather and pollution cross borders, so do problems in the human condition. What we should all be
able to agree on is that personal pejoratives have no place here. So far even that hasn't been possible!
We could count the number of personal attacks and post the results, but I think that everyone knows who does it and even why. What’s missing is
respect for views different from your own. In debating which used to be a subject taught even in high school, most learn early that an appeal to
authority as a final answer is the sign of a weak position. Adding personal attacks takes it downhill from there.
The problems in Baja and Mexico generally predate the founding of an independent country and are as current as recordings of 4 of LA’s most powerful
Latino politicians dissing most everyone outside of their own perceived group. Prejudice truly is colorblind! Every group suffers from it!
The problem here is similar. Questioning authority is a necessary part of free speech and democracy, name calling and banning opinions you disagree
with are not!
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David K
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Bravo, RF! 
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People should start more Baja threads, especially travel and photo threads. The ppl complaining here, don't post about Baja. They just complain.
Let's see some trip reports. I'm going next month and will post pics and stories.
In the meantime, here is a photo of the compound just North of Agua Verde. The place is amazing.
25.568674, -111.152724
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