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digcolnagos
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Super impressed with the amount of knowledge here. Thanks.
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pacificobob
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Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  | A&P 1967 plus
Airline A&P on 707, 747, DC9, 727, DC10, DC8
Civilian A&P trained on CE500, LrJet, 421,
Also Pilot MEATP B737, B727, B757, B767, LrJet, CE500 A319 MU-2
Retired flying Mooney 2500 hrs in same.
Learned A&P on round motored aircraft- DC-3, B-25 Shaky Jakes, round Continentals etc Wrights and Pratts also.
Always a motor guy at heart.
Nothing smells or sounds quite as good as a round motor starting up.
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Career atp here. 747, dc10 md11 dc6. However, i must confess ive not heard of a MEATP
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mtgoat666
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Rosie the riveter:
Thank you for your service!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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RFClark
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OSG, They also served!
So you could run your mouth!
North American Aviation 1943 somewhere near Space X in Hawthorne CA.
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Cliffy
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In the past you could get a SEATP (single engine ATP) or MEATP (multiengine ATP) Don't know if that is still the case. I never went or the SEATP but
my buddy did in a 172.
My Aunt was a riveter at Douglas Aircraft Long Beach CA
[Edited on 1-20-2024 by Cliffy]
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RFClark
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Cliffy,
With your ME ATP you can request the additional SE ATP w/o a test.
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Cliffy
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Hmm I didn't know that
Used to be able to get signed off for a hot air balloon license without any testing also. Never did that either.
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Santiago
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | "Nothing smells or sounds quite as good as a round motor starting up."
I have had the pleasure of flying in DeHavilland Beavers on wheels, skis, and floats. It is by far my favorite aircraft! |
In one of John Gierach's books he has a whole chapter on the DeHavs and the bush pilots who fly them. Lots of white knuckle moments.
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In the mid 90s I was with a group in the Thompson Pass area above Valdez Alaska. It is well known for spectacular helicopter skiing, but one flight
we took was in a Beaver on skis.
After a surprisingly short take off run, the pilot banked and headed toward a mountain pass between two jagged peaks. There was no level ground in
that pass!
With the wings not level, but parallel to the slope angle, we touched down in powder and he powered up the slope until we were near the top, then he
turned 90 degrees to the slope angle and stopped with the engine running.
We all bailed out, unloaded our skis and packs (rehearsed before we took off), and gave him a thumbs up. The pilot revved the engine, did a hard
right turn, and going down hill empty the take off run resembled a helicopter!
One of our group was a pro ski patroller from Crested Butte Colorado who was also a private pilot. Despite a week of skiing some of the most
remarkable runs anywhere, the Beaver ride was the high point of his trip!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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LancairDriver
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Don’t forget the girls who flew the aircraft from the production lines as test pilots all over the country.
[Edited on 1-20-2024 by LancairDriver]
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RFClark
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L,
I couldn't possibly forget that as my Aunt was one of the members of the US version of Bletchley Park. In the ‘50s she was Security Bank’s IBM
computer expert. A long time friend’s Mom was an original WW2 fighter taxi pilot and my Dad worked for a sub-contractor that made things for the
Manhattan project.
They were all giants!
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Cliffy
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My Dad made ball turrets for B-17s and the Navy wouldn't let him join up Said he was more valuable making parts than swabbing a deck.
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | L,
I couldn't possibly forget that as my Aunt was one of the members of the US version of Bletchley Park. In the ‘50s she was Security Bank’s IBM
computer expert. A long time friend’s Mom was an original WW2 fighter taxi pilot and my Dad worked for a sub-contractor that made things for the
Manhattan project.
They were all giants! |
We all owe them all our freedom and respect. They contributed greatly to the last war the US and ally’s have fought and won since 1945.
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Tom Brokaw nailed it with his 'Greatest Generation' moniker.
Heroics was fully earned and hardly ever acknowledged, and that was just fine for this special group of heroes who, for the most part, never sought
recognition for the gift they gave to our nation.
There was a time when being humble was a respected and natural state of being. There was a time when politics was the last thing that mattered.
Honoring our nation through serving was all to our and their everlasting honor.
A singular memory will never leave me. On the morning of 9/11 my Dad called and told me to turn on the TV. Quote, 'this is the worst thing to happen
to our nation since Pearl Harbor.
He had seen it all. From an Iowa college student on Dec. 7th 1941 to the WW2 Pacific theater flying bombers to Korea and VN, he had a unique
perspective that is lacking these days.
The conflict in VN signaled his almost thirty year duty to our nation was enough.
He never spoke about his service and how I miss having his life lessons that were always so freely given. He never brought his, exalted in my mind,
position, home with him. Other family's were not so fortunate. Some of their kids were my best friends and I bet they wish they had my dad for a
father. The movie The Great Santini brought this home.
A rainy Sunday morning is a good time to remember those who deserve our never-ending praise. Semper Fi.
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pacificobob
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If i took an ATP check ride in a 172 i would keep it a secret.
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digcolnagos
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On the 737 front, Seattle Times is reporting that the door likely fell off because Boeing mechanics didn't install fastening bolts, as described by
someone who apparently has direct knowledge:
https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installa...
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boein...
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RFClark
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Alaska Air to send Employees to watch the FAA watch Boeing!
The CEO of Alaska Air said today that out of an “abundance of caution” Alaska will be “auditing” the assembly of their AC.
So rather than Boeing hire qualified workers and pay them accordingly, Alaska inspectors will watch the FAA inspectors watch the Boeing inspectors who
will watch the people who don’t do it right in the first place!
When the weight of the inspection paperwork equals or exceeds the AC Gross Weight the AC will be deemed airworthy!
You can’t make this stuff up!
Next time take the train! (Which has more derailments and crashes than commercial aviation!)
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digcolnagos
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | The CEO of Alaska Air said today that out of an “abundance of caution” Alaska will be “auditing” the assembly of their AC.
So rather than Boeing hire qualified workers and pay them accordingly, Alaska inspectors will watch the FAA inspectors watch the Boeing inspectors who
will watch the people who don’t do it right in the first place!
When the weight of the inspection paperwork equals or exceeds the AC Gross Weight the AC will be deemed airworthy!
You can’t make this stuff up!
Next time take the train! (Which has more derailments and crashes than commercial aviation!) |
If the Seattle Times piece is accurate, the screw-up happened at the Renton factory in Washington state, where the workforce is unionized and highly
paid, not in eastern parts where Boeing purportedly moved production in search of lower wages. According to the whistleblower posting, whomever was
responsible for installing the bolts would've left at shift end and whomever was responsible for inspecting to make sure it was done properly never
would have had direct contact with the bolt installer--it was all supposed to be logged into a computer, and if someone overlooked doing that, no
inspection.
United Airlines also is upset, with its CEO saying they may not be buying Boeing in the future. The Alaska thing is reminiscent of the movie Casino,
where DeNiro describes how a gambling parlor works: The dealer is watching the players, the pit boss is watching the dealer, the shift boss is
watching the pit boss, the casino manager is watching the shift boss and the eye in the sky is watching everyone. Perhaps Boeing ought to hire someone
from Caesar's Palace to take over quality control. It could hardly do worse.
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Now a wheel just fell off a Boeing 757.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wheel-falls-off-boeing-757-du...
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mtgoat666
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American commercial aviation is very, very safe. The statistics don’t lie.
QC procedures can be fixed. You fix them and move on.
Boeing is great company, they will fix their QC procedures, and learn from this.
Buy american!
Regarding someone quoting UAL,… UAL sucks donkey dick. Who would listen to UAL opinion?
Woke!
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