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JoeJustJoe
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Woooosh there are two sides to every dispute, and I understand the other party is your dispute has a very good case against you.
I also understand that private property across the street from you wasn't designated as "federal Zone"when the other party brought the property and
took control of the property. This was something done recently, and it looks like it was done with behind the scene wheeling and dealing and perhaps
out right fraud on that "concession" application your party filled out.
Woooosh you have to get the property on the other side of the street from your house in order to make the handicapped beach goers happy, and provide
an exercise area or and lets not forget make it an area where people and dogs can walk on the beach. ( the nice ocean view would be nice too, but
that's not your main concern. It's the Mexican handicapped you care about.)
But you don't have the house yet, and the other person isn't in jail. So I take it they're fighting you tooth and nail over your "concession" and
possible fraud on that application. What I don't understand is how you could get the type of "concession" when there isn't a empty lot, and clearly
your pictures show a house of the neighbor your fighting. I'm at a lost Woooosh how you could get a protecting and gardening Concession. What are you
going to do garden on top on the house?
I'm starting to find out a little about you Woooosh, and if you ask me. It looks like you Woooosh is taking a page from the Ramuma 53 playbook
complete with a public relations attack on your neighbor you call a squatter. ( I saw those YouTube videos)I'm also hearing tales of violence! Tell me
this isn't true Woooosh?
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Question to Ramuma? How much are you helping Woooosh in his effort here? ( I don't have to ask how much Fulano is helping Woooosh too. No wonder
Woooosh is loyal to both guys)
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JoeJustJoe is naturally curious and nosy, however JoeJustJoe is suppose to be retired and really doesn't like to get involved in other peoples
business.
But this story might be too good to pass up, and it looks to have the same potential as the M&O vs Ramuma story.
I think I missed my calling as an investigative reporter.( so what if I'm a bad speller at times)
If I do spend time researching this story. I might have to write it in the "OT" area, or gets the cobwebs off my blog, and write it there. But what I
know so far is very EXPLOSIVE and I'm really concerned for both parties, and hope they could work out things peacefully.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Woooosh there are two sides to every dispute, and I understand the other party is your dispute has a very good case against you.
I also understand that private property across the street from you wasn't designated as "federal Zone"when the other party brought the property and
took control of the property. This was something done recently, and it looks like it was done with behind the scene wheeling and dealing and perhaps
out right fraud on that "concession" application your party filled out.
Woooosh you have to get the property on the other side of the street from your house in order to make the handicapped beach goers happy, and provide
an exercise area or and lets not forget make it an area where people and dogs can walk on the beach. ( the nice ocean view would be nice too, but
that's not your main concern. It's the Mexican handicapped you care about.)
But you don't have the house yet, and the other person isn't in jail. So I take it they're fighting you tooth and nail over your "concession" and
possible fraud on that application. What I don't understand is how you could get the type of "concession" when there isn't a empty lot, and clearly
your pictures show a house of the neighbor your fighting. I'm at a lost Woooosh how you could get a protecting and gardening Concession. What are you
going to do garden on top on the house?
I'm starting to find out a little about you Woooosh, and if you ask me. It looks like you Woooosh is taking a page from the Ramuma 53 playbook
complete with a public relations attack on your neighbor you call a squatter. ( I saw those YouTube videos)I'm also hearing tales of violence! Tell me
this isn't true Woooosh?
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Question to Ramuma? How much are you helping Woooosh in his effort here? ( I don't have to ask how much Fulano is helping Woooosh too. No wonder
Woooosh is loyal to both guys)
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JoeJustJoe is naturally curious and nosy, however JoeJustJoe is suppose to be retired and really doesn't like to get involved in other peoples
business.
But this story might be too good to pass up, and it looks to have the same potential as the M&O vs Ramuma story.
I think I missed my calling as an investigative reporter.( so what if I'm a bad speller at times)
If I do spend time researching this story. I might have to write it in the "OT" area, or gets the cobwebs off my blog, and write it there. But what I
know so far is very EXPLOSIVE and I'm really concerned for both parties, and hope they could work out things peacefully. |
Good to see you being more civil Joe. I will respond- but this exact topic is already being discussed on the "Baja real estate advice thread" so it
will be redundant. I will paste your post and respond to your question over there so as not to clog this thread. Thanks for the pleasant tone. I'm
sure others appreciate it as well.
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=50209&pag...
[Edited on 3-9-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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wessongroup
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"Corruption of officials is the problem of Mexico and our obligation is to end it and move on to another stage more civilized."
A very positive way at approaching problem solution ... in Mexico, or here in the United States... as we® certainly don't have clean "skirts" HERE !!!
Mexico is not the only country which has crooks who "game" the system ... as we here in the United States just witnessed the HUGE lie of the sub-prime
deal, robot signatures, fake appraisals, fraudulent titles ... et al... from our leaders in Congress and all those swell folks in the Real Estate
Industry, Banking Industry, Insurance Industry, and let us not forget who allowed this to happen ... the Federal Government ... as it was their watch
!!!
Really glad to see those heavy jail sentences coming down on so MANY folks 
And some poor smuck gets life on a third strike call for stealing a pizza ... right pal.. we got it under control HERE ...
The change in Land Law that was instituted in 1992 by the Mexican Federal Government was Mexico's attempt, once again, to provide fairness to a land
distribution system which was not by any means fair and just ..
Getting Federal control over all entities would seem the first step in developing a fair and just land ownership "system" based on singular land law
for all ... with a singular system for legal redress
[Edited on 3-8-2012 by wessongroup]
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Cypress
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But and it's a big but, some folks will kill for a good pizza.  If it's
to "die for" it's got to be good to "kill for".
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ramuma53
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Lencho
I see that under your comments, you have a citation, "Los pueblos tienen el gobierno que se merecen" People has the government they deserve.
At this time, I believe you are right and that is why Mexico is the way it is now; but we cannot accept to live like that, where only a few are
willing to go in to the political arena, people who also have the political connections and are willing to compromise to be able to acquire the money
needed to be nominated by one of the political parties.
At this time Mexico is not considered a Democracy, it is called a Political party dictatorship and that mean that the Political parties control who
will be nominated for Democratic post in the Mexican Government and that include Estate and National Congress, the people who make the laws and the
rules.
If you notice, that is why, the supposedly public representatives are not public representatives al all, they are the political party representatives
because they have no hope to repeat in the job ”No reeleccion” and they are not there because the people want them there, they are there because they
met the political parties requisites And they are already looking for the next job, a job that only the political party can provide; in consequence,
they only obey the political party orders; people has absolutely no influence on this process, they only can vote for the political parties proposal,
absolutely no outsiders, just look today to Makio intent to participate as Presidential candidate as an independent candidate, he has been rejected
from the start by the courts.
The main tools for this party dictatorship or a dictatorship by the political parties directors (Sound very communist) are NO REELECTION and NO
EXTERNAL CANDIDATES; that way the supposedly public representatives are really the Political party representatives and only obey the Political party
directors who are the dictators.
Then a public representative, has only a very few people to obey, the people who put the money for them to convince the political parties director to
nominate him and the political party director themselves; people has no influence on the politician future.
If you want to act as a public representative and really protect the people against the people in charge, they do not need to kill you, they just do
not approve anything you propose and they will never nominate you again and you are out for sure, no possibility for you to influence Mexico’s future.
I am not a theorist on this matter, I tried myself, I was nominated as an outside candidate by the PARM (Partido Autentico de la Revolucion Mexicana)
as a Senate candidate for Baja California and my whole budget received from the political party was about USD$1000.00 (one thousand) dollars, not
enough even for the gas to go to every place in the Estate; even with that problem, financing my campaign myself and with friends money, I obtained
the highest vote count in Mexico for that party. O course I lost having only 20 banners for the whole Estate.
The 2000 Elections were times when Mexico supposedly was going to change, the first President for other party than PRI had a chance to win, Porfirio
Munoz Ledo was named director for Mexico’s restructuration, a high hope for real change the first time in 70 years.
Then President Fox the first President in 70 years from another party but PRI, won and he just turned another representative from another group with
interests to substitute the PRI dictatorship, of course with another 70 year dictatorship while Porfirio Munoz Ledo was commissioned as all power
ambassador for Europe, in other words he was sent out of Mexico so he did not insist on changing Mexico’s political system and allowing the Party
dictatorship to continue.
As you see, Mexico want to change, but the people that won saying they would change the System, just turned coats and proffered to turn themselves in
to millionaires.
At this time, after that experience of failed change, Mexicans are confused and do not trust any of the political parties, they protest by not voting,
Absetencionismo or people who does not vote is 85% and in other words, rulers rule with only a fraction of that 15% representation.
The motivation to turn in to that system member is extremely high, practically it is the only way to become multi millionaire in dollars is the
Political industry while the obstacles to change the system are almost unsurpassable, but only almost.
Then the only option is to attack the cracks in that barrier and keep digging in it until the whole barrier crumble; people want it to crumble but are
powerless to do it.
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Burbs
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The Buenaventura beach is open for camping and I'm hopeful traveler's, Nomads and families can enjoy themselves again. I have cleaned around the homes
and dismantled the burned out structure at the entrance that use to house employee's. It caught fire twice under Munoz's rein of terror. Oli and I
will now start to build some new palapa's on the beach for shade along with some other beach structures. We know it will be awhile to regain the
public confidence. I will like to say we do not promote any violence and all are welcome with the exception of one
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Cypress
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Burbs, Wish you and Oli all the luck in the world. If I was ever gonna head down that way again I'd take advantage of your hospitality.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Burbs
The Buenaventura beach is open for camping and I'm hopeful traveler's, Nomads and families can enjoy themselves again. I have cleaned around the homes
and dismantled the burned out structure at the entrance that use to house employee's. It caught fire twice under Munoz's rein of terror. Oli and I
will now start to build some new palapa's on the beach for shade along with some other beach structures. We know it will be awhile to regain the
public confidence. I will like to say we do not promote any violence and all are welcome with the exception of one |
Wonderful news Mark!!!   Hope to see you there again, this July!
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mtgoat666
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rafael:
is the wild bunch still in lockup? i thought you said they would be released, still waiting for update!
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Cypress
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
rafael:
is the wild bunch still in lockup? i thought you said they would be released, still waiting for update! [/quote
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ramuma53
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Burbs alias Nark or Mark Jerome Burbey
Don’t count on being there too long, because the long arm of the law is about to reach to you.
You made a big mistake also, you claimed help from the American consulate, but you signed a paper where you resign the right to do so, when you
claimed to be Mexican and that is a law violation that deserve you to be deported and it is a matter of time and this time a short one, because you
have a federal investigation on the going.
For yours and every Nomad information
Today the Federal date was finally granted and finally we were able to see how they made this big constitutional violation:
Olivia and Nark, claimed that they DURING THE NIGHT, saw several of my people, using binoculars, entering some of my hotel rooms and since she owns
the hotel, SHE SUPPOSED that they were robbing her property; on those grounds, she called the Sun District attorney general, who went to see her, also
during the night and it was raining; when this guy that we now know was LIC. HUGO GALINDO CAMACHO; since it was night, Alan, my security chief,
stopped him on his car and asked him where he was going and he only told him he was going to visit Olivia and Nark (Burbs) but he saw my security
chief in a funny way and he just told him he was not a homosexual, to take a hike and he did, he went and stayed with Olivia and Nark 2 hours and when
he came back holding a dark suitcase, he just told in his funny way like a lady offended, that he was not in downtown Mexico while my security chief
just laugh at him telling him homosexual.
This has several consequences and we can say that:
I.- LIC. HUGO GALINDO CAMACHO did not identified himself as in an official business, something impossible to conduct during the night.
II.- He really is a homosexual and he reacted as an offended lady, he did not think of any legal consequences, he just made his action plan to take
revenge from somebody who made fun of his homosexuality. (We do not have anything against homosexuals, it is their business and I do not think my
security chief acted correctly making fun of one).
III.- .- LIC. HUGO GALINDO CAMACHO the north Zone sub District attorney as a public official had no business visiting during the night a convicted
felon and a place where drugs are usually delivered.
After that they just went to Santa Rosalia and collected every police in the Estate’s north zone, Estate and city policeman; he waited for the local
district attorney LIC. ALOY AGUIAR YEE who was at that time in Baja North and had to drive all night and when he arrived, HUGO GALINDO CAMACHO was
waiting for him and without even telling him where they were going they went to Buenaventura and arrested everybody, without a court order or even a
cause, arresting even my attorney without telling them why and they didn’t tell them because they did not know why to arrest them, it was only a
homosexual vengeance.
Then they invented the story about Olivia seen somebody in my Hotel and just told them it was her hotel, and I agree that Olivia is capable of doing
that, but the authority has no way of concealing the fact that they had no court order or even legal cause to go there and arrest and take possession
of my Hotel.
We asked for the Federal protection and the Federal judge in an open and irresponsible act, did not gave legal notification to the District attorney,
he made a mistake with one letter and the District attorney just denied that that authority existed; in other words, they by playing with
technicalities, maintained my people in jail for 30 days without a court order or legal case.
According to legal procedure, the District attorney at the end of the 30 days, he have to send my people to the local judge with all the legal proof
and now we know that they only have Olivia’s word as proof and remember that she has been convicted for lying to authority.
As soon as the local judge, receive my people on Tuesday, he will release them without charges, because no legal proof was offered.
Ok, but that is the legal case against my people but, I will not stop until the perpetrators are in jail and until both Olivia and Nark are in jail
for all their crimes.
Also, they will not be able to set a foot in my land, again and if they do it, they will certainly lose it.
I know that her friends will try again, but next time they will have to show a court order or they will be dealt as the crooks they are, official or
not.
Just to close this, I have the official report where the Federal police, who arrived after the Estate police was arresting my people, say that they
saw no court order and saw no legal cause, but they did nothing because they were fellow policeman and if you notice that is a crime committed by
doing nothing; they saw a crime and did nothing; they saw a kidnapping, an armed assault, a robbery and an illegal private property occupation and did
nothing and those are several federal crimes committed by those policeman document that is also an irrefutable proof that a grave crime was committed
by the Estate authorities.
So Burb or Nark or Mark Jerome Burbey, American national turned Mexican who ask for help to the American consulate, now it is my turn to use the law
and I will not stop until it is served with justice.
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Burbs
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Key symptoms
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Delusions. In paranoid schizophrenia, a common delusion is that you're being singled out for harm. For instance, you may believe that the government
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to yourself or to others. When you have paranoid schizophrenia, these voices seem real. You may talk to or shout at the voices.
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wessongroup
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Oh my, internet profiling ... JOe you must in here some place ... 
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surfer jim
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...and these are The Days of Our Lives  .....plot just took a new
twist....and I like it.
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tripledigitken
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unfrikinbelievable...........................
lets hear from Rafael supporters now
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surfer jim
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Two days and no news?
Maybe everyone is resetting their clocks forward and to busy.
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BajaGringo
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I haven't read the entire thread but enough to decide that nobody outside of the two parties involved know what the REAL truth is. Not even those who
signed leases and built homes there are clear as to who owns what. For any of the rest of us to pretend to know better is ridiculous.
I prefer to just watch and learn but I will admit that I give more credibility to those who actually post supporting documents in lieu of just verbal
attacks.
Now back to my seat on the sidelines...
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latina
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The TOPIC of this thread is page 1 and two of Muñoz's employees were transported yesterday from La Paz to Santa Rosalia, to stand before the judge
there and face the charges against them (this morning in the newspaper Sudcaliforniano).
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Burbs
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I haven't read the entire thread but enough to decide that nobody outside of the two parties involved know what the REAL truth is. Not even those who
signed leases and built homes there are clear as to who owns what. For any of the rest of us to pretend to know better is ridiculous.
I prefer to just watch and learn but I will admit that I give more credibility to those who actually post supporting documents in lieu of just verbal
attacks.
Now back to my seat on the sidelines... |
The BajaNomad is NOT the place for us to post our supporting LEGAL documents. A Mexican court is the place for showing supporting documents. Munoz can
show his documents here on the Nomad, for he needs some support from Woosh or the Investgator. If someone here really needs to see our documents they
can come here to the restaurant and I will show. Otherwise it is in court, period. If Munoz has legitimate proof, then show it in court and we can all
be done with this mess.
:?oes anyone really think Rafael Munoz Martinez would have done the things he has
done at Buenaventura if he had the correct paperwork or legal documents?
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
| Quote: | Originally posted by Burbs
The BajaNomad is NOT the place for us to post our supporting LEGAL documents. A Mexican court is the place for showing supporting documents.
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I couldn't agree more.
Some folks just need to meet in person and square their own personal chiite away betwixt themselves. |
I couldn't agree less. I don't think anyone was expecting one side or the other to make their case definitively, but we are all learning more about
Mexican real estate laws and processes through this incident. For me- any docs people are willing to post are taken as educational, not necessarily
to be taken as evidence. jmo.
[Edited on 3-13-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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