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wessongroup
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Say, ya sure about those "Thugs" ... or, are they making a come back ... 
"(Thug) historical a member of a religious organization of robbers and assassins in India. Devotees of the goddess Kali, the Thugs waylaid and
strangled their victims, usually travelers, in a ritually prescribed manner. They were suppressed by the British in the 1830s."
Not sure what a female thug would be ... thugess ... oh, well ... on to other off topic issues... 
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Puckdrop
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WOW, my head hurts from reading all this he said she said. But you know what, we have enough material here (47 pages) to write a book. So we don't
have the ending yet but with some imagination we can all make up our own ending. Who wants to take the first shot (sorry) at the last chapter of this
book? OH, and we need a title too
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Cypress
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Remember the old TV program "I've got a secret". Will the real owner please step forward?
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wessongroup
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Appears it is time for another "Amparo"....
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surfer jim
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...a NEW owner appears .......just when things were slowing down.
So what's gonna happen now?
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XPBRes
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If this wasn't sad for some of us who actually played parts in this saga, I would find this interesting and incredible funny too!
We along with Stan Valentine were the 1st to improve the north end of the beach in 1992. The part that is interesting to us is that we heard very
little the 1st 10 years while Mike George ran the beach. Mike was responsible for improvements to the beach, the way you see it today.
No big improvements since he left. Next 10 years, lives and property ruined and no one still knows the truth.
The one thing that comes to mind is you see projects all over the Baja that are unfinished, Is this what happens? Money is used to improve land and
then ownership is questioned?
For over 20 years I have been involved with Playa Buenaventure, watching a bare beach transform into a community. Then to have people 10 -20 years later claiming to own land that they never visited while it was being developed?
I plan, like the rest of the calm and collected people on this forum, to wait and see the real outcome.......... don't think it will be
soon!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
If this wasn't sad for some of us who actually played parts in this saga, I would find this interesting and incredible funny too!
We along with Stan Valentine were the 1st to improve the north end of the beach in 1992. The part that is interesting to us is that we heard very
little the 1st 10 years while Mike George ran the beach. Mike was responsible for improvements to the beach, the way you see it today.
No big improvements since he left. Next 10 years, lives and property ruined and no one still knows the truth.
The one thing that comes to mind is you see projects all over the Baja that are unfinished, Is this what happens? Money is used to improve land and
then ownership is questioned?
For over 20 years I have been involved with Playa Buenaventure, watching a bare beach transform into a community. Then to have people 10 -20 years later claiming to own land that they never visited while it was being developed?
I plan, like the rest of the calm and collected people on this forum, to wait and see the real outcome.......... don't think it will be
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You could at least ask her for the lease to your house just in case. IF she is the true owner, and that's a huge IF... she would love to have a
renter like you to cement her claim.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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XPBRes
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Thanks, done that with 2 people already and they still haven't proved anything other than they can't get along.
Plus the way things stand I could rent a beautiful home anywhere in Mexico for a lot less money and trouble!
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ramuma53
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Elizabeth ****** Hemke
She came to me to try to negotiate part of my property claiming that she was the owner.
When I saw her documents, she had a contract with Mr. Gorosave Senior, selling her the right to buy from the National Land office a piece of land he
felt he may have a property right because he had an 1863 Benito Juarez property Title with the name Gorosave on it and he claim that the 1863 owner
was related to him (something extremely difficult to prove and if proved will have another 500 people to share that right).
It is exactly as if I sell you, my right to buy the Mexican National Palace and you are enough ignorant to buy it and pay for it, even if the sale is
a formal one (Public notary sanctioned sale).
She even went with those arguments to the Agrarian Magistrate with those claims and that fact alone has legal consequences.
FIRST.- She did not bought any property right, SHE BOUGHT THE RIGHT TO BUY from the Real Estate owner and that buy did not make her the owner, only
the legal claimer for that land and if that land was recognized as National Land by both parties, the owner is the Nation and she has the right to
claim it in first place from the owner; that contract was made in 1998. But, you must understand that the right to buy is subjected to the Owner being
legally able to sell or even to he wanting to sell. In this case, if the owner is the National Land office, then since they had already sold the land
to me in 1992, they would be legally unable to sell it again.
SECOND.- When I saw the 1863 National Land title, it is a very nice engineering work, even with slope lines and Astronomical location made by sun
observations; that will fix the location of its points to within 20 mts. Then I just looked for the Astronomical coordinates in the INEGI official map
and found out, that the location for that title is 30,000 mts. Inland and since it has slope lines, it clearly show that it include a water stream,
but it does not border the sea; also according to the slope lines, the water stream’s direction is north to south and the only location where the
water streams run in that direction is exactly 30 km. inland; the only coincidence was that the name is similar to the one that is included in my
title POZA, but that name is very common because it means a water pond and there are hundreds of those around.
I confronted her with those facts and informed her that she according to her documents, did not own anything, but the good news was that she may have
the right to claim the land 30 km. inland, but she did not want to hear bad news and continue to claim the same and even went to the Agrarian
Magistrate to try to enter the legal procedures Olivia had against me then, but the Agrarian Magistrate found her claims groundless and just dismissed
her claims as groundless.
Her claim to the Agrarian Magistrate, made her legally acknowledge the fact that my title exist and since she had a final judgment and did nothing,
she legally accepted that my title exist and is legal and as a legal consequence, she no longer has any legal recourse available to her.
Of course, since then, she continue to talk all over the place about the land being her property, she even tried to go on Olivia side, but since both
are stubborn, ignorant and ambitious they want the whole property for themselves, she did not made any alliance with her.
Here for anyone who want a Real Estate opportunity, is a 200 Has. Real Estate lot, without a legal claim, the only problem it is 30 Km. inland and you
have to buy it from the National land office. Elizabeth ****** Hemke is just too stubborn to take advantage of this fact.
[Edited on 3-16-2012 by ramuma53]
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ramuma53
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Cypress and other Olivia Higuera Aguilar La Vaquera advocates.
Sorry for those who think that more property problems are coming to me.
To prove property, the Public Registry office exist, and the only one with a Public Registry right in it is me.
If you try to find any Olivia or Nark's right you will find nothing, or Elizabeth ****** Hemke nothing.
At this time, the only cloud on the horizon is the new support the Estate Justice department is providing to Olivia, but that support does not include
the Judicial system and that is proving a basical point.
We have talked to the judge and we found out that the legal proof my attorney Joaquin Cuesta provided to the District Attorney to prove that I own the
hotel and that my employees were there exercising that right, were not included in the file sent to the judge on the basis, that my attorney
was also part of the criminal investigation and not able to provide proof that may benefit us (??????????????).
As a cosequence, aparently we had not provided proof of my right to my property included for the judge consideration and the Despojo charges were not
dropped like the robery ones.
In other words, through a false statement, because Joaquin Cuesta is free and not part of the criminal charges, they denied us of the legal proof he
offered to justificate their presence at my hotel.
As you see, the Estate District Attorney is going to the extreme to violate every legal right we have to try to support what they did and try to make
it last as much as possible. And then they say they are the justice department.
They took 30 days to try to fabricate legal proof of crimes that were never committed and failed on the robbery charges that were dismissed to start
by the criminal judge as groundless. They hided my property rights proof to try to keep it going, but now failed again.
I think that their illegal support to Oliva and Nark is evident and will cost them dearly, they simply did not expect our strong reaction.
On the illegal occupation charges, now we found that my title and property papers were not accepted as legal proof using false statements. This delay
my defense, but it just delayed it because my other 5 attorneys are providing the proof to the criminal judge and he agree no crime was committed and
it is a matter of putting the legal proof in as soon as possible.
My legal time table will put my employees free of any charge in about 20 to 30 days.
Then we will start putting people in jail for all the crimes committed against us by the public servants and Olivia and Nark of course. This time no
silk glove will be used and all my legal rights will be put in force to work, even if the Estate justice department wants another try. This time
Olivia will be gone for good.
[Edited on 3-16-2012 by ramuma53]
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In a very short statement, is there a final resolution to this Playa Buenaventura mess?
Or will it be a few more years before it is settled?
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wessongroup
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Yes, subject to .....
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ramuma53
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Diana T
Yes, no crimes were committed by my employees and is now a matter to put the legal paperwork in for they to be free completely and without any
criminal charges.
They went to the extreme to put out orders for the arrest of my other employees, the ones that were free without charges from the start, this of
course to try to press them in to making false statements to go out of jail, but they all know this fact and will be enjoying a short vacation.
This is out of the Estate District Attorney's hands, it is now the criminal judge responsibility to correct the injustice created by the District
attorney by helping Olivia and Nark completely out of the law.
But now the criminal charges I made to the Federal Police will start to be felt and they will start to run, from the Estate District attorney down; at
this time they changed the Mulege District attorney Aloy Aguilar Yee to Loreto to try to protect him, but he will be the first to pay for his criminal
acts.
Also, I am accessing the political leaders from all the political parties and they are hearing what I am saying; they do not say much in response, but
we will feel their reaction and it is very possible we will see a strong reaction against the Estate Government.
Also we put those charges to the United Nations consideration, they will take their time but a resolution will be coming soon.
My people will be free soon, but that is not the goal now, the goal is to make the criminals pay for their acts so they do not feel tempted to do it
again.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Yes, subject to ..... |
Just thought I would ask.
Sounds like it will be a while yet.
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ramuma53
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wessongroup
About your naming my employees thugs:
Hope you have half his formal education and record, but let me tell you that Mario Alan Perez, is a professional Public Accountant, attorney at law
and a security specialist, who has served in the Mexico Federal Bureau of investigation for years, with a completely clean police record and the one
who resisted the temptation to kill Olivia when attacked by her with pepper spray; something that would justify him on firing on her his legal fire
weapon.
Maria Elizabeth Espinoza Montano, is a professional business manager with years in experience; also one of the biggest land owner in Baja; she work
for me to learn and to repay me for me helping her to legalize her properties and we are talking about 2300 Has. of the best Beach front property in
Baja.
What I can tell you, is that the Baja government picked the wrong guys to make them victims of their illegal help to Olivia, a known criminal already
convicted of several crimes and more to come; those people, without me, will make them pay for years to come by their own power.
Thugs, No, they have more education than most people and more money coming than 99.9% of the population and not from me, by their own means already
established. You will see in the near future.
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ramuma53
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Diana T
Sadly yes, the legal department takes his time, even to free honest people and to put in jail the real criminals, Mexico is slow but it is a law
state and justice will come, we just have to wait and follow the rules.
So do not worry, this thread will show you the real Mexico and how problems are solved here. We are not hiding it, we are showing you reality and how
crooks try but fail.
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vengance is mine sayeth the lord!!!!!!
| Quote: | Originally posted by ramuma53
My people will be free soon, but that is not the goal now, the goal is to make the criminals pay for their acts so they do not feel tempted to do it
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"my goal is [revenge!]"
ramsanus: grow up, move on, quit being such a prick!
no one will ever visit your hotel if you keep saying such crap!!!
p.s. any nomads care to write a hotel review of "hotel revenge" at "playa whacko?" i really need to see a few pics of this place
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DianaT
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BTW--- I have not taken "sides" with anyone as I find it all very confusing. However, since we "own" property in Baja through a fideocamiso, I am
always curious as to how these property disputes end.
Our property was bought by a local from the Municipality and then we bought it several years later. That is how all the lots in BA have been
purchased, except the ejido land. I guess there are never any absolutes---
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wessongroup
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Sorry for any confusion on this, as I was only pointing out the "source" for the name "thugs" which was being used about your employee's ... and/or
you .. with some humor, on my part ... sorry it missed
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Say, ya sure about those "Thugs" ... or, are they making a come back ...
"(Thug) historical a member of a religious organization of robbers and assassins in India. Devotees of the goddess Kali, the Thugs waylaid and
strangled their victims, usually travelers, in a ritually prescribed manner. They were suppressed by the British in the 1830s."
Not sure what a female thug would be ... thugess ... oh, well ... on to other off topic issues... |
| Quote: | Originally posted by ramuma53
wessongroup
About your naming my employees thugs:
Hope you have half his formal education and record, but let me tell you that Mario Alan Perez, is a professional Public Accountant, attorney at law
and a security specialist, who has served in the Mexico Federal Bureau of investigation for years, with a completely clean police record and the one
who resisted the temptation to kill Olivia when attacked by her with pepper spray; something that would justify him on firing on her his legal fire
weapon.
Maria Elizabeth Espinoza Montano, is a professional business manager with years in experience; also one of the biggest land owner in Baja; she work
for me to learn and to repay me for me helping her to legalize her properties and we are talking about 2300 Has. of the best Beach front property in
Baja.
What I can tell you, is that the Baja government picked the wrong guys to make them victims of their illegal help to Olivia, a known criminal already
convicted of several crimes and more to come; those people, without me, will make them pay for years to come by their own power.
Thugs, No, they have more education than most people and more money coming than 99.9% of the population and not from me, by their own means already
established. You will see in the near future. |
[Edited on 3-16-2012 by wessongroup]
[Edited on 3-16-2012 by wessongroup]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ramuma53
wessongroup
About your naming my employees thugs:
Hope you have half his formal education and record, but let me tell you that Mario Alan Perez, is a professional Public Accountant, attorney at law
and a security specialist, who has served in the Mexico Federal Bureau of investigation for years, with a completely clean police record and the one
who resisted the temptation to kill Olivia when attacked by her with pepper spray; something that would justify him on firing on her his legal fire
weapon.
Maria Elizabeth Espinoza Montano, is a professional business manager with years in experience; also one of the biggest land owner in Baja; she work
for me to learn and to repay me for me helping her to legalize her properties and we are talking about 2300 Has. of the best Beach front property in
Baja.
What I can tell you, is that the Baja government picked the wrong guys to make them victims of their illegal help to Olivia, a known criminal already
convicted of several crimes and more to come; those people, without me, will make them pay for years to come by their own power.
Thugs, No, they have more education than most people and more money coming than 99.9% of the population and not from me, by their own means already
established. You will see in the near future. |
Seriously....If people's lives weren't involved I would have died laughing by now
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