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mtgoat666
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fool me once... shame on... shame on you... if fooled, you can't get fooled again
| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Ok Rafael, what is going on? I supported you regarding the documents you displayed on your
web site indicating the property in dispute was yours! Is it in fact true you do not own the property? Does the property in fact belong to Olivia? You
now have employees convicted and in jail for using firearms to take away someone else’s property by force. Does the property belong to you or not? I
realize this forum is not a court of law but since I supported you regarding your documents, I would like an explanation, as I am sure others who
supported you also would like one. I am not ashamed I supported you because it appeared you owned the property, but if you in fact do not own it I
need to apologize to the rightful owner for my support of your documents and delete all of the gifs I made in support of them. Rafael, I would
appreciate if you would come back to explain your side of this.
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elvis8:
your buddy will not post here again until he has crafted a new pack of lies to post,... may take a while for him to post new lies, as he first needs
to review old lies and make sure new lies don't contradict old lies.
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Cypress
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ELINVESTIG8R, Guess those, what was the term, oh yea, "Chicken Coop Groupers" were right.  Are chicken coop groupers the same as crab trap crabs? About
that taser?
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Ok Rafael, what is going on? I supported you regarding the documents you displayed on your
web site indicating the property in dispute was yours! Is it in fact true you do not own the property? Does the property in fact belong to Olivia? You
now have employees convicted and in jail for using firearms to take away someone else’s property by force. Does the property belong to you or not? I
realize this forum is not a court of law but since I supported you regarding your documents, I would like an explanation, as I am sure others who
supported you also would like one. I am not ashamed I supported you because it appeared you owned the property, but if you in fact do not own it I
need to apologize to the rightful owner for my support of your documents and delete all of the gifs I made in support of them. Rafael, I would
appreciate if you would come back to explain your side of this.
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Now you are on the right track David, we missed you while you flirted with The Dark Side. The Force will be with you, always! 
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mcfez
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Yes....trust all documents that shows up on the BN 
Many hard believers here that took sides based on third party information and non proven documents. Seems like OT
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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ramuma53
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ELINVESTIG8R
‘Ok Rafael, what is going on? I supported you regarding the documents you displayed on your web site indicating the property in dispute was
yours!’
At this point, nobody has proved the property is not mine, it is not legal or it is not in my possession, not in court or here.
Olivia through her organized crime connections, managed to use the Estate District attorney to, without any court order, illegally detain all my
employees, including my attorney and that is a very cyanic one as you should know.
In absolutely no way, the property was taken from me or given to Olivia in a legal way.
In absolutely no way, the property’s possession was taken from me or given to Olivia in a legal way.
‘You now have employees convicted and in jail for using firearms to take away someone else’s property by force.’
I have no employees convicted of any crime; my employees were detained by the Estate police without any arrest warrant, without any authority order
and only on Olivias orders.
My employees are not in jail, they were put in what in Mexico is known as preventive custody, because the Estate Police was not able to prove they
committed any crime and THEY ASKED FOR 30 DAYS DETENTION TO BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT THEY COMMITTED A CRIME; in other words, they were sequestered for 30
days to investigate them and try to find a cause for their detention; after the 30 days they finally charged them with aggravated robbery and
aggravated illegal property occupation.
The first charges on the grounds that Olivia during the night using binoculars, saw somebody entering a house, she claim but do not prove is hers and
she supposed it was my manager and my security chief, WHO MAY BE STEALING SOMETHING; without proving in any way that she owned the hotel or in fact
anything, without proving my employees entered one of her properties or without proving something that belong to her was missing.
The second charges were filled on the grounds that the Agrarian Tribunal gave her 3 houses that supposedly belong to 3 Americans who made a contract
with her, who she evicted from 3 of her properties IN EJIDO LAND.
Here I want you all, to note that the Agrarian Judge denied to the Federal Judge having any legal cause against me or my property and that he
recognized my title validity also you should note that no ruling was issued that affect my property or me.
Olivia is trying to execute a ruling she has against 3 Americans in Ejido Land, in my property that is no ejido land.
After the 30 days they took to try to find a crime, they sent them to the Criminal judge who promptly dismissed the first charge as groundless.
On the second charge, he detained them until they prove that they were in my hotel legally and that is an easy one for me, because I have title to the
property, they are my employees and they hold power of attorney to my company and myself; why were this fact not proved during the 30 days, because
those documents were offered by my attorney, who were detained with my employees and released without charges, but they argued that since he was part
of the accused group, he was not able to represent the detained and just did not accept the legal proof he offered; they also had in their possession
the powers of attorney and certified property title, but they just confiscated those documents and put them as legal proof that my employees were
there in a sealed package; IN OTHER WORDS, THEY CONFISCATED THE PROOF THAT THEY WERE INNOCENT AS PROOF THAT THEY WERE GUILTY.
You at this time, have more proof that I own the property than the criminal judge, but that is only a time delay maneuver, because I just sent another
set of certified documents for the Criminal judge and to the Federal Judge to who I asked for protection against illegal acts by the Estate
authorities.
THAT IS WHY MY EMPLOYEES ARE STILL IN CUSTODY, BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL ACTS BY THE ESTATE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, NOT BECAUSE THEY COMMITTED ANY CRIME.
Concerning the firearms, the Estate police tried to make Federal charges against my employees for having firearms, on the grounds that they had no
legal permit (They had confiscated also the permits) but the Federal Police and the Army had legal copies of those permits and denied making any
charges or detention order for that cause.
I made federal charges against the Estate Governor, the Estate District Attorney, the North Zone District Attorney and the district attorney for the
crime of organized crime, authority abuse, vehicle robbery, property robbery and else; those charges are already filled in Mexico city.
You do not need to apologize, just wait and see; this is a shame on the Estate authorities who committed several crimes on a known criminal defense
and not only defense but attack.
I expect that in 20 days, my employees will be released without charges as soon as the legal facts and certified documents are put in place and the
Federal judge issue an order to stop any illegal act to the Estate authorities; we were offered a deal to release all of my employees without charges
if I just stop releasing the story to the national news; just as if nothing had happened and my employees who are detained and me refused the deal. Of
course we were threaten about charging us with every crime they can fabricate, but we will see if they can do that against a Federal judge order to
stop any illegal act against me and my employees.
At this point, absolutely no Federal authorities have participated on the power abuse or illegal acts; in fact they are prosecuting those acts at this
very moment; they are telling me that this is a vengeance from organized crime for not cooperating with them on the drug unloading on my property;
Olivia and the Estate District attorney are just the tools.
I know that the bets are high now, they threw all the marbles to the table, but I confide that Mexico is a law state and I will prevail over the
Estate help provided to organized crime. In fact at this point, I have a lot of grounds to think this will be just another try by Olivia and organized
crime to take a hold on my land to keep using it for their purposes, but that it is only a local problem.
They told me they acted on the belief that we had not legal permits for our firearms and planning to use that fact as justification for their illegal
invasion to my property; they would just send my people to the Federal police and just take hold on my property as a crime scene, but since they
lacked that crucial fact, they were left without a legal cause and they are in deep problems with the federal police for power abuse, illegal entry,
robbery and illegal detention because they had no legal cause to enter my property; of course they are trying to fabricate them with of course
Olivia’s help, but so far they are not been able to create a believable one.
My property is there, it is not legally confiscated, but in fact it is, and we will enter it again only with the army as protection and we are working
on that so they can not repeat the abuse of power.
Now time is on my side; in June the G20 will meet in Cabos, they do not need this kind of publicity on a host Governor being accused of organized
crime ties and protection.
The presidential campaign is about to start and organized crime is a main issue and this will be used by both political parties; just remember that
the South Baja Governor is from PAN political party the presidential party; while the Presidential PAN Candidate is promising life in permission to
any public official who is found with organized crime ties.
We are in a 2 week political silence period, but in one week the presidential campaigns start and they will be free to use this issue against the PAN
political party.
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ramuma53
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This is a shame on the Estate authorities and also on Mexico as a whole, because we cannot keep acting this way in the organized crime support while
the Mexican President, declare that he will not allow the police to act as the organized crime's strong arm.
We are just watching the opposite in South Baja, an Estate Government in open support for the organized crime, committing illegal entries, detaining
workers and illegally confiscating private property.
Today the Mexican President declared to the National Press that he will not allow the police to act as the organized crime strong arm, I believe he is
trying to do it but the Estate governments are very compromised with organized crime as is the Case in South Baja.
Just remember that South Baja was a peaceful estate until this governor took office; promptly gun battles started in Cabos and now this; they try to
hide it, but hiding is not the solution.
You are Baja guests and need a safe place to spend your golden years; so far, they made a mistake putting this Governor in power; they were very
afraid of PRD because they were acting very badly and also supporting organized crime; PRI was not offering any better deals and elected the PAN
governor as a compromise and to not allow any of the other parties to come to power, but the solution was worse than the problem expected.
This cannot hold and will not hold, just wait and see.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Craig and David,
Would you two be willing to speak to the DA investigators about your interaction and involvement with Raphael in person to assist in understanding
what has transpired in these recent events? This could help. |
If you mean me (woooosh), Yes. I contacted Raphael by e-mail about this matter and he responded in kind. Let me know when they need me to testify
that it was me who informed him of this incident taking place and that he said he was unaware of it.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Craig and David,
Would you two be willing to speak to the DA investigators about your interaction and involvement with Raphael in person to assist in understanding
what has transpired in these recent events? This could help. |
If you mean me (woooosh), Yes. I contacted Raphael by e-mail about this matter and he responded in kind. Let me know when they need me to testify
that it was me who informed him of this incident taking place and that he said he was unaware of it. |
Woooosh is it true that you're in some type of business arrangement with Raphael?
I heard that you said you were in partnership with Raphael in some type of deal, and you said it here on this forum? I haven't gone back and verified
it yet, because this thread is too long, and so I'll just ask you instead of digging through these threads?
Woooosh If you are are involved in any type of business matters with Raphael or if Raphael is advising you on your own Baja real estate legal matter.
The question is can we expect you Woooosh to be objective on the M&O v Raphael hotel real estate legal battle?
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Craig and David,
Would you two be willing to speak to the DA investigators about your interaction and involvement with Raphael in person to assist in understanding
what has transpired in these recent events? This could help. |
If you mean me (woooosh), Yes. I contacted Raphael by e-mail about this matter and he responded in kind. Let me know when they need me to testify
that it was me who informed him of this incident taking place and that he said he was unaware of it. |
Woooosh is it true that you're in some type of business arrangement with Raphael?
I heard that you said you were in partnership with Raphael in some type of deal, and you said it here on this forum? I haven't gone back and verified
it yet, because this thread is too long, and so I'll just ask you instead of digging through these threads?
Woooosh If you are are involved in any type of business matters with Raphael or if Raphael is advising you on your own Baja real estate legal matter.
The question is can we expect you Woooosh to be objective on the M&O v Raphael hotel real estate legal battle? |
You'll need to read the whole thread. Sometimes due diligence requires one to read.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Kid feel free to give the District Attorney Investigators my e-mail address and ask them to send me their names and a telephone number so I can call
them from my office. I will let them know all I have done in this matter if you think this could help. It will be my pleasure.
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Craig and David,
Would you two be willing to speak to the DA investigators about your interaction and involvement with Raphael in person to assist in understanding
what has transpired in these recent events? This could help. |
[Edited on 3-23-2012 by ELINVESTIG8R]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Kid feel free to give the District Attorney Investigators my e-mail address and ask them to send me their names and a telephone number so I can call
them from my office. I will let them know all I have done in this matter if you think this could help. I will be my pleasure.
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Craig and David,
Would you two be willing to speak to the DA investigators about your interaction and involvement with Raphael in person to assist in understanding
what has transpired in these recent events? This could help. |
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I guess that was for us. I wasn't sure. Why do anonymous people post others people's real names?
I haven't been responding to every event in this lately because it all still seems tit-for-tat at this point and even a new lady is making her claim
for the land. (I thought everyone had accepted earlier that Olivia owned nothing though- only a FMZ concession that did not include the Hotel). So
I'm waiting for the dust to settle. If I had to pick one of the half-dozen players in this saga that has the most extensive knowledge of Mexican land
laws, it would most certainly be Raphael who is both a civil engineer and attorney. jmo
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Burbs
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| Quote: | | I haven't been responding to every event in this lately because it all still seems tit-for-tat at this point and even a new lady is making her claim
for the land. (I thought everyone had accepted earlier that Olivia owned nothing though- only a FMZ concession that did not include the Hotel). So
I'm waiting for the dust to settle. If I had to pick one of the half-dozen players in this saga that has the most extensive knowledge of Mexican land
laws, it would most certainly be Raphael who is both a civil engineer and attorney. jmo |
Wooosh have you ever asked Ramuma to show you his documents that he IS a lawyer or that he IS a certified engineer? I don't think he is as I have not
been able to find any proof that he is a official laywer or a civil engineer. Sure wouldn't want Wooosh to get conned by Munoz!
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Cypress
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I'm thinking Wooosh isn't the only one that Munoz has conned.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
I'm thinking Wooosh isn't the only one that Munoz has conned.
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Your crazy wife looking back into our past lives again Cypress? Munoz is the real deal. Just because he is working against your friends in Playa
Buenaventura doesn't mean he hasn't done excellent legal work for me in Rosarito or helped dozens of other Nomads with free advice on this very board.
He has helped many Nomads and we have thanked him for it. For some reason the situation in PB isn't one where he supports the Nomads who are part of
it. Of all the nomads he has helped, this one situation is different and conflicting. Maybe that says more about the Nomads down there that it does
about Raphael. Maybe. I still don't know yet, I was waiting for the dust to settle. But thanks for the personal insult so I could chime back in.
cluck, cluck, cluck.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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norte
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How quickly people have forgotten how these current residents (not necessarily owners) threw out the expat home builders. good people you say?
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Cypress
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The expat home builders didn't pay their rent/lease payments to the people that own the property. They paid the wrong folks! They were defrauded out
of their money. Isn't fraud illegal in Baja?
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XPBRes
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I wish it was that easy to understand. We had a 30 year lease with Mike & Olivia, who had a lease with the Ejido. Mike leaves and Olivia claims
ignorance. She finds out that they have not met their obligations with the Ejido and then tries to extort more money from the renters. While in
negotiations with Olivia, about a new lease, Munoz shows up with info and docs to say he is the private property owner. We paid our rent and were
current. Yes we stopped paying Olivia and started paying Munoz.
So do we blame Mike for not paying the Ejido? Do we blame Olivia for not knowing what Mike was doing and her trying to make us pay for their mistakes?
Do we blame Munoz for misleading us to not pay Olivia and to pay him? Do we hold Munoz responsible for losing our court cases with Agrarian Court,
that he promised he would represent us and win.
There is so much more I could share but my feeling is that so many of you have made your minds up. Blame is easy, facts help but can be manipulated,
but the truth is hard to find.
We have been waiting 10 years to know the truth. I think we may never know the TRUTH and the experience has been long and hard. As far as I can see
that beach is not a BEACH of GOOD VENTURE.
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surfer jim
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To help clarify things.....
R53 is an "attorney".....who hired another "attorney" to go to Playa B. to represent....and then 2nd "attorney" get arrested , thrown in jail and now
he needs an "attorney" to get him out.
Got it.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
The expat home builders didn't pay their rent/lease payments to the people that own the property. They paid the wrong folks! They were defrauded out
of their money. Isn't fraud illegal in Baja? |
No it isn't actually in reality or the Mexicans selling Trump Baja would not have been able to legally defraud US investors of $30 Million. There is
no right or wrong in Mexico when the rubber meets the road- just lot's of blurry and gray. If you look for clear cut good or bad and right and wrong,
you won't find it or even that Mexicans value it. It's a huge contrast to NOB, but it is what it is. They can and do deny that is true, but the proof
is in their actions. jmho
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Cypress
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by Woooosh There is no right or wrong in Mexico jmho |
Do you really believe that?
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