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shari
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Muchas gracias for your reply, I wish all caravans had the same self regulating morals...pulling over frequently is crucial here, even if all 15 can't
pull off at once, maybe some could pull off in smaller pullouts and do it more often. I really appreciate that you are concerned for the busses and
trucks but the normal traffic should be considered too. thanks again.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bigzaggin
a "rocket propelled lobster grenade?" Even if you COULD make such a device (which you CAN'T), I seriously doubt it would have any effect in stopping
large RV caravans. At best, maybe one would pull over, at WORST you could seriously injure a driver and - possibly - cause a very dangerous pile-up.
You must not know a single thing about Baja. |
Hey, ZagNut.. ....I'll bet I can build a rocket propelled lobster grenade (RPLG), and it would be a hoot.
In JR High School, built lemon cannons, in High School, built potato mortars, and in the US Army was in Ordnance/EOD....so the question is.......who
will supply the ammo?????....
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Al G
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Shari's Husband????
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja&Back
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
So way back when this thread was about caravans, I was trying to get the point across that many times on this thread it's only the tourists that are
thought about and mostly the locals are ignored...I'm trying to say that while you think it's easy to go out and buy a CB radio etc. most locals can't
do that but it's the locals who have to deal with the darn dangerous and downright bothersome caravans. It's great you who are on baja time and not in
a hurry but lots of local people have to get to a doctors appointment in Sta.Rosalia or Guerrero Negro and don't really want to waste an hour trying
to pass a crapload of RV's and believe me they get kinda peeed when they pull up to the pumps and no gas is left. I truly think there should be some
regulating as to size of convoys. |
Shari, you may not have noticed yet, but there is regulation - self regulation.
The caravan industry knows how you & many others feel & all the operators are taking steps now to minimize their local impact. We aren't
stupid. The big companies are, since last season, splitting up their caravans into 2 or 3 sections, leaving hours apart. You wont likely see lumbering
strings of 25 or 30 rigs on Mex 1 anymore. They are planning fuel stops at truckstop Pemexes in larger towns. People like BajaCactus are planning
ahead for us. (Hey, Antonio U2U me & I will send you our schedule!)
We have always limited our caravans to 15 guests. I currently have a waiting list, but won't tack on more rigs because I care as much about Baja &
it's future as I care about my pocketbook.
I have a list of every pullout big enough for 15 rigs from TJ to Cabo & we use them frequently to let ABC buses & truckers by. This is a
priority with us.
We, a small company, inject close to $100K into the local economy each year. We encourage our guests to buy from beach vendors, shop in local markets,
go out to supper & shell out for every side activity we can find. Your Don Martin & the BJ Ejido benefit from our coming thru GN. We strongly
discourage guests from stocking up to the gunnels before leaving San Diego & spend the bucks down here instead.
So, you can imagine how many dollars the big companies bring to Baja & Mexico. Tourism is Mexico's 2nd largest industry.
More folks take caravans & rallies for the social aspect than out of fear. 2/3 of our guests say they would have vacationed at home rather than
coming to Mexico if there were no caravans!
Will caravans go away? Not a chance. They are part of the same wave as Rosarito beach, Loreto Bay & Puerto Los Cabos. Unfortunately, Baja is
changing with the rest of the world, but will always have more magic than anywhere else!
That's why you came - others will too.
Hope this helps foster a wee bit of understanding & beneficial coexistence.
Anybody have helpful suggestions for the caravan industry, other than "Go away", please contact me.
[Edited on 10-13-2006 by Baja&Back]
[Edited on 10-13-2006 by Baja&Back] |
do you have any minim standards for age or driving skill for your caravans?
also I always had to have a current health cert. with regular physicals. a couple of years ago you may remember there was one caravan that had 3 hart
attacks before they got to San Quintin.
Bruce R Leech
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mtgoat666
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Seems like the solution is for caravan operators to direct their customers to drive alone instead of bunching together like a bunch of girls.
All the caravan operator need do is provide a sag wagon to drive the road at the end of the day.
Also, maybe the caravan operators should hand out sat phones and tell people to call when they get in trouble.
Finally, if they can't drive alone, maybe they shouldn't be driving there at all.
I'm a bit curious, what does it cost to join a caravan? Do people pay for the service?
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longlegsinlapaz
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 "LIKE A BUNCH OF GIRLS"??? I don't suppose you'd care to expand on
that one? 
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vandenberg
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LL.
Do we take this as you being of the female persuasion ?
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longlegsinlapaz
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Vandenberg, you are a perceptive hombre!
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
"LIKE A BUNCH OF GIRLS"??? I don't suppose you'd care to expand on
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LIKE A BUNCH OF GIRLS
similar to a group of young ladies
Bruce R Leech
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jimgrms
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Maybe if they opened more ladies bars along the road we wouldn't mind the caravans so much, or the caravaners would stop there and let us pass
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Diver
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No bars needed;
Just a "FREE BLOOD PRESSURE CHECK" sign in front of any building.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
No bars needed;
Just a "FREE BLOOD PRESSURE CHECK" sign in front of any building.
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Bruce R Leech
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
"LIKE A BUNCH OF GIRLS"??? I don't suppose you'd care to expand on
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Like a bunch of young females.
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Al G
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Hey Goat...I don't yhink you helped yourself. You missed the point.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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jimgrms
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Goat you have stepped in it dude save your self appoligize viva geezerhood
[Edited on 10-17-2006 by jimgrms]
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Bruce R Leech
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actually being bunched together with a bunch of girls doesn't sound that bad
Bruce R Leech
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Cypress
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Caravans? Why not load up in a bus?
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vgabndo
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Was poking around on a link from a recent truck camper post and found one way to help get around a convoy. I think the set up came off a Southern
Pacific Locomotive.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Bruce R Leech
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vgabndo
can you post a sound bite of that
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