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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
tripledigitken, I see. If you're only able to live in Baja for a couple months out of the year and drive old beaters, it's OK for someone to burn you
out? Jeez, Lucky me! Had to drive my ole beater back to the states and didn't leave anything behind to be burned, took my memories with me.
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Cypress,
How did you get that from my post?
one more time.
I was explaining why no one might not be there, and why there would be cars around and no people. (Bajajack found it hard to believe.)
Do you get my point? How could you possibly think that I thought it was ok for them to be burned out because they had beater cars?
JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE
Ken
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Bajajack
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I should have expanded
on that a little further. What I meant to say was I cant believe they would have left everything as if they were coming back if they had any idea
something like this could possibly happen.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
I find it hard to believe the people there would just up and leave their personal belongings behind, that assumption just don't float.
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I do not know about anyone of them, I do not think that's relevant, for example, we do not need know why people did leave their Public Storage and
fail to reply to the certified letter? We do not need to know what their reasons are? The point here has been made and I think quite well, if you have
place on the beach that you are not the primary owner of, it will be subject to changing values and pressures. If you are asked to move you will be
required to do so and it will be quite difficult because structure can not be moved easily, old mobile homes are not mobile, old cars and trailers do
not fair well on the beach for long distance travel.
I am making the argument that there are two sides to the story, the owners side is quite reasonable, the renters side has little firm ground.
This comes as an aside from speaking to people who claim to have been from there and told me their plight, the difficulty in moving and the lack of
places to go resulting in the acceptance that times are a changing.
Lets draw a bigger picture, if anyone visits Baja and finds a cool place to establish a camp and pays the "owner" to rent space while they develop the
location, the perceived value will increase and change. Overtime the perception will be this is a higher value location worth development and the
initial "renters" will be asked to leave. Its a pattern that repeats over and over in Baja. If they fail to move they will be subject to confrontation
and eventually they will lose.
On the other hand, people who visit and go to extensive lengths to purchase property owner to owner they will have a far greater likelihood they can
maintain their improvements and rights to the space.
I hope that we can drop the devious declarations and criminal suggestions where they are not warranted.
Perhaps this thread defines the division between the rights, privileges and circumstances of temp renters and permanent owners. We always say, never
make a semi-permanent beach camp with items you can not afford to lose. It seems these "renters" felt the same way.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
on that a little further. What I meant to say was I cant believe they would have left everything as if they were coming back if they had any idea
something like this could possibly happen. |
the thing they hired a Mexican Lawyer. and anyone that has been around the
block in Mexico knows that the Lawyer always says don't worry I will take care of everything so they thought the were safe when really they were not. so these poor folks not only lost there beach camps but they got riped off by
there Lawyer for big bucks.
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Okay a question for the collective "braintrust".
If many are saying 9 months is not sufficient time to clear out your stuff, then what is? I am not justifying the burning, just trying to pin down
the gum flapping, or finger tapping.
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Just a side note a lot of those people had been there 20 or more years, I think they got there moneys worth since none of the improvements amount to
very much for the use they got out of them.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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tripledigitken, Sometimes I shoot from the lip. I apoligize for taking your
statement the wrong way. But it did draw some replies. Now I am confused!
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
tripledigitken,Sometimes I shoot from the lip. I apoligize for taking your
statement the wrong way....... |
Accepted. No problem.
Ken
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Just a side note a lot of those people had been there 20 or more years, I think they got there moneys worth since none of the improvements amount to
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This is more than a side note - it really strikes at the root of the issue. You rent a spot on some beach in Baja that 15-20 years ago was hard to
get to and cheap. Now, 20,000,000 Boomers are saying to themselves, "I need to get me a spot someplace where it's warm and the fishing is good. Oh
wait, I know, Mexico!" The road gets better, utilties get better, air ambulance insurance is not too bad, solar energy is getting better and soon
even the wife thinks it's a good idea just as long as you fix the bathroom and the kitchen. This becomes an obvious development target because now
there's a bunch of folks who are willing to buy a lot for $50K to $100K - not rent. The low-hanging fruit has/is being picked and the rest is not
far behind.
Anyone who rents a place on or near the beach that you can drive a sedan to is in the very same situation. Maybe not today but just look ahead 5 or
10 years, the economy is humming again, homes are worth more that anyone could ever imagine and the boomers are even older.
Of course, you can always go about 20 miles east of Viz and be pretty sure of renting a place, worry-free, for the next 20 years. I think.
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Bruce R Leech
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renting in Mexico anywhere is only a month to month thing at best. never invest in upgrading someone else's land.
Bruce R Leech
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Why would you hire a lawyer?...Unless
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
the thing they hired a Mexican Lawyer. and anyone that has been around the
block in Mexico knows that the Lawyer always says don't worry I will take care of everything so they thought the were safe when really they were not. so these poor folks not only lost there beach camps but they got riped off by
there Lawyer for big bucks. |
If the leases had expired then why an attorney? No more lease-no more nada.
Some obviously thought they had a lease. Wonder why?
Most leases aren't worth caca.
It's by design. 
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
the thing they hired a Mexican Lawyer. and anyone that has been around the
block in Mexico knows that the Lawyer always says don't worry I will take care of everything so they thought the were safe when really they were not. so these poor folks not only lost there beach camps but they got riped off by
there Lawyer for big bucks. |
If the leases had expired then why an attorney? No more lease-no more nada.
Some obviously thought they had a lease. Wonder why?
Most leases aren't worth caca.
It's by design. |
because that is what most people from the USA do when things go wrong in there lives is look for someone to sue. nothing is ever there fault.
Bruce R Leech
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rakers
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Whoa people!
luv the way some assume the facts.
We are former http://forums.bajanomad.com/images/smilies/no.gif
 residents of the arsonned beach -- the only ones there when the TWO WK evict
notice arrived and were able to recup our investment, baja "treasures", and memories. Most of the others who work in the summer to be able to spend
winters in their PA homes were not so lucky. but they had been in contact with owner and had WRITTEN and verbal assurances that security would be
there until October when they could return.
Re: our "squatter" status: we had a written agreement with the owner as "lessees" and paid her rent for the land usually 6 months in advance. Those
whose places were burned had paid their rent thru November. The notice we received in Nov 07 was that she "was likely" to sell the property but would
give us "a fair term to evacuate". Don't think 2 weeks was fair -- that was the first notification. But after communications, she extended it to 6
weeks, then after attorneys were involved, she agreed to extend and provide security til Oct 15, 08/
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[Only a marooon does demolition via fire. Burning refuse and houses leaves a concentrated residue of metals and PAHs, and that soil is not something
anyone should want in their yard. The future buyers of this property should insist on soil removal and testing to verify acceptable soil conditions
before buying -- at least that's what we would do in the US, if buying a lot after a house fire. Future gringo buyers beware.
In the US, eviction is civilized -- landlords place the belongings on the street for residents to claim. There are laws against destroying peoples
belongings during eviction. Of course, expecting civilized behaviour seems to be silly with the property owner in question.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
Just a side note a lot of those people had been there 20 or more years, I think they got there moneys worth since none of the improvements amount to
very much for the use they got out of them. |
winner. WINNER. not knowing anything, but this seems to be the most
logical factoid of the day.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
[Only a marooon does demolition via fire. Burning refuse and houses leaves a concentrated residue of metals and PAHs, and that soil is not something
anyone should want in their yard. The future buyers of this property should insist on soil removal and testing to verify acceptable soil conditions
before buying -- at least that's what we would do in the US, if buying a lot after a house fire. Future gringo buyers beware.
In the US, eviction is civilized -- landlords place the belongings on the street for residents to claim. There are laws against destroying peoples
belongings during eviction. Of course, expecting civilized behaviour seems to be silly with the property owner in question. |
i'll refrain from the niceties, goatee. that ain't the good 'ol US.
somebody stop me.....please!
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Go for it Woody, Like I thought this property was on Conception Bay, and the last I checked that was south of the border (so to speak).
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
the thing they hired a Mexican Lawyer. and anyone that has been around the
block in Mexico knows that the Lawyer always says don't worry I will take care of everything so they thought the were safe when really they were not. so these poor folks not only lost there beach camps but they got riped off by
there Lawyer for big bucks. |
If the leases had expired then why an attorney? No more lease-no more nada.
Some obviously thought they had a lease. Wonder why?
Most leases aren't worth caca.
It's by design. |
because that is what most people from the USA do when things go wrong in there lives is look for someone to sue. nothing is ever there fault. |
OMG Bruce,
Are you a closet Canadian ??
CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rakers
Whoa people!
luv the way some assume the facts.
We are former http://forums.bajanomad.com/images/smilies/no.gif
residents of the arsonned beach -- the only ones there when the TWO WK evict
notice arrived and were able to recup our investment, baja "treasures", and memories. Most of the others who work in the summer to be able to spend
winters in their PA homes were not so lucky. but they had been in contact with owner and had WRITTEN and verbal assurances that security would be
there until October when they could return.
Re: our "squatter" status: we had a written agreement with the owner as "lessees" and paid her rent for the land usually 6 months in advance. Those
whose places were burned had paid their rent thru November. The notice we received in Nov 07 was that she "was likely" to sell the property but would
give us "a fair term to evacuate". Don't think 2 weeks was fair -- that was the first notification. But after communications, she extended it to 6
weeks, then after attorneys were involved, she agreed to extend and provide security til Oct 15, 08/ |
rakers, thanks for the post. Has the property changed hands? If so, who are the new owners and was it the new or old owners who torched your houses?
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