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msteve1014
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
My wife and I are still working full time. No slowdown yet. I worry that there might be one coming, but it is too late to stop now. Maybe we will have
to move to Baja and wait it out. |
Ya, I kind of hoping for a layoff too. I'll collect unemployment for a while and start my casita.
But I'm in the warplane business and business is good right now. We just sold a couple of plane to NATO today.
"Give war a chance" as we say at the good ole warplane factory.
But I'll take a little layoff/vacation if it comes!
[Edited on 10-2-2008 by fishbuck] |
I work for one of the big oil companies, I dont think they are going to be cutting back anytime soon either
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comitan
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well sharks you've had one person from La Paz saying she lives on $1,000 a month I'm just a little over that, can you live on a $1000 a month in So.
Cal.? by the way, the things you have been posting, it shows you really know nothing about living down here...............
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by msteve1014
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
My wife and I are still working full time. No slowdown yet. I worry that there might be one coming, but it is too late to stop now. Maybe we will have
to move to Baja and wait it out. |
Ya, I kind of hoping for a layoff too. I'll collect unemployment for a while and start my casita.
But I'm in the warplane business and business is good right now. We just sold a couple of plane to NATO today.
"Give war a chance" as we say at the good ole warplane factory.
But I'll take a little layoff/vacation if it comes!
[Edited on 10-2-2008 by fishbuck] |
I work for one of the big oil companies, I dont think they are going to be cutting back anytime soon either |
If I get layed off I'll try to get a job at the refinery or the marine terminal. It looks a little dirty but pays well.
And ya, I was thinking that they won't be slowing down much.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Shark18
Excuse me, oxxo, Would you like me to repost your message where you said, just today, that Los Cabos is the most expensive
city in Baja Sur? |
Yes, I would like to repost it
| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
We live for about 10% to 15% less in Los Cabos (a relatively expensive part of Mexico) than a comparable lifestyle in SoCal. And I think our quality
of life is much better here than in SoCal.
I think if you are looking for the lowest possible cost of living in Mexico, you need to look at the mainland. |
Where is the link to your cancer statistics, cabron?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Shark18
I have the links, oxxo. Now, before I post them, what are you going to do with them? |
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Shark18
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Oh boy, dueling quotes. Here's some more:
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toneart 10-1-2008 at 10:39 AM
Go to Bajainsider.com. In the Sept. 30 update there are two articles related to the cost of living in Baja. One of the articles gives a grocery list
and compares it with identical lists from four major U.S. Cities. The premise is that living Baja is not much of a bargain anymore.
Cypress 10-1-2008 at 02:15 PM
Baja isn't a bargain by any stretch of the imagination. Factor in all the misc
dtbushpilot 10-1-2008 at 03:19 PM
We live in Buena Vista BCS about 6 months of the year a month or so at a time. Generally speaking, I find that it is a little more expensive there
than at home in New Mexigo for groceries, eating out etc. If you eat at the places where the locals eat it is a little less, if you want "gringo
stuff" it's a little more. We also find ourselves traveling farther and on worse roads for "serious shopping" than we would up North.
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Come to terms, dahlings. Come to terms.
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Shark18
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
well sharks you've had one person from La Paz saying she lives on $1,000 a month I'm just a little over that, can you live on a $1000 a month in So.
Cal.? |
Well, I don't know without some more information. We would have to match facilities, terms and lifestyles. Have that one person provide the following
information and then I can answer your question:
1. How many square feet is the home?
2. Is it on a paved street?
3. Is there a trash pick-up service or do you have to take the trash to the dump yourself?
4. Does the house have indoor plumbing? High speed internet connection?
5. Does that person rent or own? And who pays for the repairs?
6. Does that person perpare all his/her meals at home, or eat out? How often does he/she eat out? Does he/she eat beans and tacos or steak and
potatoes?
7. Does that person carry health insurance, or just take his/her chances?
8. How much does he/she pay for health insurance?
9. Is the home airconditioned?
10. Does that person have a monthly mail service? How much?
11. How much does that person spend each year to travel to the US for necessary services, like medical exams?
12. Is the house connected to a city water supply or is water delivered by truck?
When you can provide me with all that information. I'll be happy to answer your question.
You DO want an apples-to-apples comparison, don't ya?
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Shark18
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
Where is the link to your cancer statistics, cabron? |
Oh yes. I forgot you don't know how to Google.
http://progressreport.cancer.gov/highlights.asp
http://www2.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/impreso/noticia.html?id_n...
http://scielo.unam.mx/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=...
http://www.mex.ops-oms.org/documentos/publicaciones/hacia/a0...
http://www.salud.carso.org/docum/hoja_%20datos_cama.pdf
Disfrutele, baboso.
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BajaNuts
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well, shark18,
Thanks for NOT READING one of my original posts...
"I'm more interested in first hand replies than links to political sites or political rhetoric. Are you personally worried about US economics and how
has it directly affected you/your finances?"
This is not a question about which is better, and you seem to be intent on proving why SoCal is better.
That is for your own thread.
My question is how the US economy is influencing Nomands wherever they may be. If you have already answered that question, thank you...(i kinda got
lost in all the grocery lists )
If you haven't answered how it affects you PERSONALLY, please do so and leave the rest if it out of the discussion.
Thanks BN1
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fishbuck
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I was at the Pyrimid Resort about 2 weeks ago. My girl and I were almost the only ones there. It was like having my own private oceanfront mansion.
I'm not sure why there wasn't more people. Maybe the economy, maybe the horror stories form TJ.
But it was very nice having it to ourselves. I would imagine much of Baja is like that right now.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
I was at the Pyrimid Resort about 2 weeks ago. My girl and I were almost the only ones there. It was like having my own private oceanfront mansion.
I'm not sure why there wasn't more people. Maybe the economy, maybe the horror stories form TJ.
But it was very nice having it to ourselves. I would imagine much of Baja is like that right now. |
Talk to anybody working in major tourism destination and they will tell you this has been a very bad year. Folks NOB generally aren't spending money
to travel anywhere. Good friends of ours who have been working in Vegas since the early 80's tell us this was the worst summer ever since they've been
there. It is expected to be an even harder winter. I suspect that the economy is affecting folks plans for wherever they may go - be it Baja or
Timbuktu.
Another important point if you want to compare is to factor in the cost of housing. I know not all of you are from California but it is our closest
comparative NOB market. Whether you rent or buy, you can save some serious dough south of the border. If you do buy, you will also save a lot more on
property taxes as well as services (maid/gardener/plumber/mechanic) in general. That will buy you a lot of fish tacos.
I still say that the compelling reason to come/live in Baja is the quality of life that you seek and that is something only you know how to answer. I
find that folks who move down here just to save money tend to be the ones who enjoy it the least.
YMMV...
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Hook
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With the faltering economy, fewer Nomads are heading south anymore.
As a result, they have more time to sit at their computers and keep posts (like Wont you help out Nomads or Are you Scared of TJ) going well past
their deserved time. Posts are dissected down into millimeters of content classification with personal examples and defenses offered from the past 40
years of some Nomads experiences. Not that 40 years ago has any bearing on today, mind you.
ACTUAL travel in Baja is down................but VIRTUAL travel in Baja is WAY up.
Or is that La Baja...........or, the Baja.............da Baja?...........Lower California?............El Norte?...........BCS, er, Baja California
Sur?
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gnukid
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While I am sure that tourism is down, as there are almost no visible tourists in the region, I hear non-stop talk from regulars who are leaving for
Baja daily. You know the type, van camper, surfer/windsurfer/kiter. It seems every person I speak to is leaving to Baja from the north in coming days.
Its going to be another super fun winter for those who can make it to the beach.
This is a great time to go camping in Baja, but no not for tourists.
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Dave
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OK, I'll bite
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I find that folks who move down here just to save money tend to be the ones who enjoy it the least.
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Name another reason. 
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gnukid
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My Mom is a doctor and she says that many cases of depression are caused by diet. Nutritional neglect and imbalance causes chemical imbalances in the
brain which cause mood swings. Eat a well balanced diet and you will feel better (regardless of the economy and your geography).
Buen provecho!
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pacside
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Shark18
| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
Cabron18, retire to Porterville, you'll be much happier there. |
Oh, by the way, the greens fees are $65 here. I hear they are $260 in Los Cabos in the high season. |
Location, Location, Location....$65 bucks for green fees...those deals can only be had in...well shall we say not in high demand places.
The point isn't that folks are living on 1100/mo or so it is that they are able to do this in a beautiful location and I admire them for their
ingenuity. Also, many retired folks downsize and don't want the hassle of managing a huge house and property. I'm not even retired and I don't want
the hassle.
As far as the economy...doing ok...govt still buying software...seems like govt is only one who has money.
What I can't stand are the property taxes and prop 13 here in CA. I understand why it was passed but someone next door is paying 10% of what i'm
paying and that just doesn't seem fair. All the insurance fees for home, car, health and the way the academics are becoming so high pressured makes
living in baja make sense. Not to mention all the parcel taxes passed and bond measures. Seems in CA every election our property tax goes up because
everyone votes to raise taxes.
If one is smart, picks a great location, either rents or buys, one can live cheaper in baja with a higher quality of life. Property tax alone is worth
it. OK just my 2c. Back to work.
pacside
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
Now...can we get back to the original question?
[Edited on 10-3-2008 by elizabeth] |
OK.
Right now it looks like my paper loses will not be realized for a couple of years. Even then, short of a depression and/or a massive devaluation of
the dollar, I don't see any major changes in lifestyle due to economic circumstances. I think we'll get by. I worry more for my children and their
circumstances in a tougher economy.
Today I listened to some pundits expound on how falling housing prices are at the root of our current economic problems. I disagree; there have to be
other problems if we are dependent on 10% annual increases in home values to sustain our economy. Perhaps the slump in sales will result in more
affordable housing north of the border, and slow the mad rush of development and the associated dramatic rise in real estate prices in BCS.
There will be challenges for those in our Loreto community who rely on foreign spending, but I believe those that offer great service with intelligent
marketing will continue to grow and prosper, at the expense of less capable competitors.
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BajaNuts
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Thanks Elizabeth for getting the post back on line.............
speaking of online, our IP server was down all day today until about 6:00pm. OMG!!!! I did not have internet access for a whole 12 hours!!! My, how things up here in the good ol' US of A have gone in the TOILET! MAN, my internet
was GONE for a day! It's like I was living in a 3rd world country like MEXICO!....oh wait.....that happens all the time in Mexico, and GUESS
WHAT---it didn't bother me today when the internet was down and it doesn't bother me when my electricity goes out for 3-7 DAYS in subzero
temperatures.
Minnows18 sounds like he doesn't have the adventurous Baja spirit that seems to be a prerequisite for travel and living in Mexico. He's more secure
staying in Calif protecting all his precious possessions and impressing the neighbors. A lot of us don't feel the need to impress others. We'd
rather relax, feeling somewhat relieved to have paid the bills for another month with a little left over, watch the sunset with our wonderful friends
and family and enjoy a Pacifico looking to the future with hope. A future that we hope involves a WHOLE LOTTA BAJA! maybe even full-time.....
**18, please keep your comments on this post to how the economy has impacted you and your family's financial situation and start your own post for all
other comments or comparisons.
Thanks again to those who have responded to the original question. We are self employed and the business's future is always a concern for us. just
wanted to see how others are feeling
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steviecroc
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Our business , electric vehicle controllers is down this year, what with high fuel prices don't make much sense. Cheryl is taking a 3 month job with
her old / retired from 7 years ago employer so we can have some extra travel $$. Our kids are living pretty lean with the fishing guiding business
very slow here in N.CA so we help them as needed. Want to see Ascuncion and San Roque come January-March next year so am working on getting "old
whitey" and the boat ready for the trip. Looking to meeting Shari and family and learning more spanish.
Onward thru the Fog
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k-rico
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As far as the cost of living in Baja, housing is what makes it a good deal. A few years ago I paid $164,000 for a brand new house (not a condo) with
white water ocean views, private gated community with 7/24 security, twice weekly trash pickup, green areas for the kids to play, underground
utilities. I can hear the surf at night. My property taxes are $140 a year, plus $500 for fidi fees. A comparable house in San Diego where I also live
would have been around $600,000 with $6,000 annual taxes, perhaps more because of the oceanfront aspect.
My plans may change because of the drop in the stock market. I am planning on buying a winter home further south on the mainland in a year or two.
That may be delayed.
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Cajones
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
As far as the cost of living in Baja, housing is what makes it a good deal. A few years ago I paid $164,000 for a brand new house (not a condo) with
white water ocean views, private gated community with 7/24 security, twice weekly trash pickup, green areas for the kids to play, underground
utilities. I can hear the surf at night. My property taxes are $140 a year, plus $500 for fidi fees. A comparable house in San Diego where I also live
would have been around $600,000 with $6,000 annual taxes, perhaps more because of the oceanfront aspect. |
I'm not sure you are giving a fair comparison. Services are bundled differently NOB. Don't you pay a monthly HOA dues for your security, trash, park,
etc? What do you pay a month for all those services at your home?
Trash collection is bundled with your property taxes in San Diego, as is the security (police), public parks, etc.
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