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BajaGringo
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I will be saying a prayer for those riding their bikes on Baja 1 and for the cars/trucks/buses that encounter them...
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
So are you saying that I should drive at say, 10 mph around all of the blind corners in Baja???
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you should drive in a safe manner so you don't endanger others on the road. you should also learn the rules of the road, which allow bicycles to use
the road.
peace out!
yes we can!
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stimbo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by backninedan
Stimbo, To say that bike riders do not cause accidents shows an ignorance of road conditions here. |
Naw.... it's not ignorance of the road conditions. I've been up and down Baja for over 40 years now. I've seen more than my fair share of gruesome
accidents in Mexico. I've never driven anywhere else that requires such attention to the road.... no drifting to the shoulder.... because there aren't
any. I'm not saying that biking on Hwy 1 is safe, it is FULL of risk and the original poster should be well aware of this. But I do find it absurd
that you think that cycling causes accidents. If you are a good driver, you can easily pass a cyclist, slow down and let opposing traffic pass then go
around.... whatever. That strip of pavement isn't just YOUR domain. If you look at a few of the photos posted previously, I can point out some
hazards. Take a look at those gi-normous RVs lumbering down the road.... towing cars or boats. Passing one of those "pigs" is dangerous! As I said
previously, there are plenty of other places I would ride, Baja isn't on the list. I would be a nervous wreck (no pun intended) watching out for my
a*s*s. I don't trust the drivers down there.
[Edited on 12-5-2008 by stimbo]
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wilderone
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"you should drive in a safe manner so you don't endanger others on the road. you should also learn the rules of the road, which allow bicycles to use
the road."
That goes for cyclists too - and a cyclist on a blind turn with a guard rail and an 18-wheeler coming in the opposite lane, or peddling in the middle
of the lane is a nuisance and endangers others. The rules of road? Which Mexican rules are those? In California cyclists should obey all
regulations the same as a vehicle. If the speed is posted at 50 mph, then a cyclist crawling along at 15 mph is impeding traffic and a hazard. etc.,
etc. Mex. 1 was not designed for bicycles. Cyclists don't "share" the responsibility - they expect everyone to watch out for them and they do
nothing for their own safety - even a cow or goat knows to get off the road when a car is coming. So the upshot remains that among the HAZARDS of
Mex. 1 are goats, cows, fallen rocks, pot holes AND CYCLISTS (note - same category as a cow but with less common sense).
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"you should drive in a safe manner so you don't endanger others on the road. you should also learn the rules of the road, which allow bicycles to use
the road."
That goes for cyclists too - and a cyclist on a blind turn with a guard rail and an 18-wheeler coming in the opposite lane, or peddling in the middle
of the lane is a nuisance and endangers others. The rules of road? Which Mexican rules are those? In California cyclists should obey all
regulations the same as a vehicle. If the speed is posted at 50 mph, then a cyclist crawling along at 15 mph is impeding traffic and a hazard. etc.,
etc. Mex. 1 was not designed for bicycles. Cyclists don't "share" the responsibility - they expect everyone to watch out for them and they do
nothing for their own safety - even a cow or goat knows to get off the road when a car is coming. So the upshot remains that among the HAZARDS of
Mex. 1 are goats, cows, fallen rocks, pot holes AND CYCLISTS (note - same category as a cow but with less common sense). |
Wow, wilderone... that was great! You go girl!!
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"you should drive in a safe manner so you don't endanger others on the road. you should also learn the rules of the road, which allow bicycles to use
the road."
That goes for cyclists too - and a cyclist on a blind turn with a guard rail and an 18-wheeler coming in the opposite lane, or peddling in the middle
of the lane is a nuisance and endangers others. The rules of road? Which Mexican rules are those? In California cyclists should obey all
regulations the same as a vehicle. If the speed is posted at 50 mph, then a cyclist crawling along at 15 mph is impeding traffic and a hazard. etc.,
etc. Mex. 1 was not designed for bicycles. Cyclists don't "share" the responsibility - they expect everyone to watch out for them and they do
nothing for their own safety - even a cow or goat knows to get off the road when a car is coming. So the upshot remains that among the HAZARDS of
Mex. 1 are goats, cows, fallen rocks, pot holes AND CYCLISTS (note - same category as a cow but with less common sense). |
i think the last sentence quoted above should be the last of this thread!!!!!
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bent-rim
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I'm never comfortable when I put my life in other people hands.
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Skipjack Joe
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Had some bad experiences, bent rim?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"you should drive in a safe manner so you don't endanger others on the road. you should also learn the rules of the road, which allow bicycles to use
the road."
That goes for cyclists too - and a cyclist on a blind turn with a guard rail and an 18-wheeler coming in the opposite lane, or peddling in the middle
of the lane is a nuisance and endangers others. The rules of road? Which Mexican rules are those? In California cyclists should obey all
regulations the same as a vehicle. If the speed is posted at 50 mph, then a cyclist crawling along at 15 mph is impeding traffic and a hazard. etc.,
etc. Mex. 1 was not designed for bicycles. Cyclists don't "share" the responsibility - they expect everyone to watch out for them and they do
nothing for their own safety - even a cow or goat knows to get off the road when a car is coming. So the upshot remains that among the HAZARDS of
Mex. 1 are goats, cows, fallen rocks, pot holes AND CYCLISTS (note - same category as a cow but with less common sense). |
Wow, wilderone... that was great! You go girl!! |
Whoa! wilderone and DK (and half of the nomads here?) are true haters of bicyclists. I imagine you are the people that drive by and try try to ruin
my bike rides with your yelling of nasty comments from your cars - there is always one on every weekend ride. I always find such people to be
overweight and/or high-strung/high-stress people -- both conditions that would be improved by getting some exercise on a bike
Peace out!
Yes we can!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"you should drive in a safe manner so you don't endanger others on the road. you should also learn the rules of the road, which allow bicycles to use
the road."
That goes for cyclists too - and a cyclist on a blind turn with a guard rail and an 18-wheeler coming in the opposite lane, or peddling in the middle
of the lane is a nuisance and endangers others. The rules of road? Which Mexican rules are those? In California cyclists should obey all
regulations the same as a vehicle. If the speed is posted at 50 mph, then a cyclist crawling along at 15 mph is impeding traffic and a hazard. etc.,
etc. Mex. 1 was not designed for bicycles. Cyclists don't "share" the responsibility - they expect everyone to watch out for them and they do
nothing for their own safety - even a cow or goat knows to get off the road when a car is coming. So the upshot remains that among the HAZARDS of
Mex. 1 are goats, cows, fallen rocks, pot holes AND CYCLISTS (note - same category as a cow but with less common sense). |
i think the last sentence quoted above should be the last of this thread!!!!! |
I agree with Woody, except I would add one other animal, horses, because they are downright crazy!. If one is right next to the road it will wait
until car is close, and then run right out onto the road.
For cows we slow way down to give them a chance to leave the road, for horses and other members of the animal kingdom with less common sense than the
cows, we stop completely until they decide what they are going to do. 
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bent-rim
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Skipjack Joe,
No bad experiences, just a few close calls.
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
even a cow or goat knows to get off the road when a car is coming. |
Not the cows I've encountered
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
even a cow or goat knows to get off the road when a car is coming. |
Not the cows I've encountered |
Now, are those city or country cows? It could make a difference.
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Sharksbaja
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Actually Sr Goat...
all I ever say when I make passed them is:
"JESUS CHRIST"..... then say a little prayer.
How do they know I'm not talking to Heysoos over there!
I pray for safe passage.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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David K
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Actually Cows and Goats don't know better... Humans on bicycles should!!!
"Whoa! wilderone and DK (and half of the nomads here?) are true haters of bicyclists. I imagine you are the people that drive by and try try to ruin
my bike rides with your yelling of nasty comments from your cars - there is always one on every weekend ride."
No goat, I just drive by and wonder if tHey get to the end of the ride alive or without causing others any harm by their stupidity.
Hwy. 1 between San Quintin and Santa Rosalia (or perhaps La Paz) was NOT designed to accomodate the youth of the world for their joy rides or life
challenges that locals cannot typically afford.
The highway's final section (built in 1973) was done to meet a budget, the narrower the road, the further money would stretch it... and it was built
to help the economy of the peninsula to allow RVs, autos, trucks and busses to get from one end of Baja to the other in a couple of days instead of a
couple of weeks. IT is too narrow for the safety and can cause them to get hit or cause a head on if the car/ truck swerves around them to avoid
hitting them.
Want to bike down Baja? Use a mountain bike and take the dirt roads or less traveled gulf side road... Want help in locating the old Baja main road or
parallel routes south, I am the man that will help the bikers for free... Anything to get their selfish butts off Highway One where they will hurt
someone or be hurt!  
(photo showing the obvious stupidity of riding on this highway, taken by jr baja)
[Edited on 12-6-2008 by David K]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I am the man that will help the bikers for free... Anything to get their selfish butts off Highway One where they will hurt someone or be hurt
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dk, your selfishness and egotism again shine thru.
you appear to be someone who should plant his own selfish butt on a bike seat. it's good exercise
peACE OUT!
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DianaT
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OMG
This is the second thread this week where I have found myself agreeing with DK---
I know, it must be those planets and the moon---
Scares me.
Diane
On edit, had to correct a spelling error---DK would not like it-OK, OK, I know, you only attack place name spelling errors.
[Edited on 12-6-2008 by jdtrotter]
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Sallysouth
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Count me in with DK on this issue.Too many close calls for my family trying to avoid hitting bikers and a head on with a semi.Nothing to do with ego
nor selfishness, just common sense and a lot of traveling hiway1 in Baja, and caring about not only the travelers(car,bus, RV, whatever) but the
safety of the bicyclists also.
Happiness is just a Baja memory away...
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Paula
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i agree with David too-- this highway is jut wasn't designed to be shared by cars, trucks, and bicycles. Maybe it should have been but it wasn't.
Goat, My son doesn't drive. He rides his bike to work in Minneapolis, even now with a bit of snow in the city. He sees some drivers as being rude
and thoughtless, but he certainly doesn't feel like everyone is out to get him. And he doesn't think he is superior to others for choosing not to
drive. So I love people who ride bikes, and I look out for them just as I hope anyone would for my son. I just think it is selfish to ride without
reguard to others on the road they are traveling. Why would you assume that everyone who doesn't see things your way is hostile to you personal
choices???
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Bajaboy
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But the highway wasn't designed for oversized RVs towing 26ft cruisers either....I don't hear anyone saying they endanger others.
Again, I am an avid cyclist and would not ride Hwy 1 for my safety. I don't trust the road or the motorist on the road.
Why will a motorist slow down and wait until it's safe to pass a slow moving vehicle but not for a cyclist?
The bicycles are so dangerous thread is getting old. I don't hear anyone saying it's safer to drive at night because there aren't any bikes.
Slow down and be prepared for any dangers you might face...a broken down car, oversized RV, drunk driver, cow in the road, or a person riding there
bike on the side of the road.
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