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Diver
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I will pay the $26 per year.
I pay more for a National Parks Pass each year.
I pay daily use fees for our local State and Federal parks.
I pay camping fees at all public campgrounds in the US.
I buy a snow-park permit to park at our ski areas.
I feed parking meters almost wherever I go.
I pay boat launch fees at many local launches.
I pay exhorbitant fishing license fees for each state I go to.
I pay HUGE sales, property and income taxes for all these things in the US.
In Baja, I pay much less for all these things.
I have seen the results of Jaimie's good work.
I will not let $5 get in the way of my Baja experience and friends.
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woody with a view
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for brevity's sake, does one yearly bracelet include EVERY bioreserve in baja? or do i need a different bracelet for every turn along the coast?
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So, a family of five comes to BA for a week and there will be an additional cost of 25/day for the family or an additional 100/week for an annual for
the family?
Just to wade in the water or picnic on the beach? WOW!!!! 
And then they head over to Loreto the following week and it all starts over again????????
Plus, there's the injustice of not charging locals. WHO WILL HAVE MORE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE BIOSPHERE THAN THE LOCALS??
Do you really think their share of local/state/federal taxes will go to mitigating their environmental impact?
[Edited on 6-24-2009 by Hook]
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Bajaboy
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So now I'm wondering about camping....does everyone have to pay an extra $5/day? So that $10 camp site now costs say $25 for my family of 3.....
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wilderone
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"does one yearly bracelet include EVERY bioreserve in baja?"
From what I understand, it's any biosphere reserve in Mexico - there are 33 I believe.
Yeah - that's the real problem - the local people with their goats denuding the hills, the cattle grazing, and the miners. The monarch preserve is
one of the biosphere preserves, yet illegal logging is destroying the butterfly habitat. What are the fees used for there if not for enforcement of
illegal logging which is the so-obvious need? The Mexican fed. govt needs to show all people - citizen and tourist alike - what the money is used for
- with signs, staff, results, brochures. They should develop a logo and put it on every trash can, truck, boat, fence, uniform, sign, etc. that
represents a biosphere reserve destruction mitigation expenditure, and put the financial statement on a website showing where the money goes.
Articles with an account of a year's accomplishments with reserve fees should be written and published in magazines and papers in the US (like Nature
Conservancy, WWF, etc.). They need to work on the legitimacy of all this fee collection.
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gnukid
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There are some good questions here:
You can write to Pronatura who works with the Nature Conservancy Parks in Peril who has worked in coordination with Mexico to create the Biosphere
program policy and try to get some answers.
http://www.parksinperil.org/howwework/partnership/mexico.htm...
Pronatura
Director: Juan Carlos Barrera
Address: Aspérgulas N° 22 (antes Pino)
Col. San Clemente, C. P. 01740, México, D.F.
Telephone/Fax: (55) 5635-5054
E-mail:pronatura@pronatura.org.mx
Web site: http://www.pronaturane.org/
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wilderone
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Excellent information - thank you. They'll be getting my letters!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"does one yearly bracelet include EVERY bioreserve in baja?"
From what I understand, it's any biosphere reserve in Mexico - there are 33 I believe.
Yeah - that's the real problem - the local people with their goats denuding the hills, the cattle grazing, and the miners. The monarch preserve is
one of the biosphere preserves, yet illegal logging is destroying the butterfly habitat. What are the fees used for there if not for enforcement of
illegal logging which is the so-obvious need? The Mexican fed. govt needs to show all people - citizen and tourist alike - what the money is used for
- with signs, staff, results, brochures. They should develop a logo and put it on every trash can, truck, boat, fence, uniform, sign, etc. that
represents a biosphere reserve destruction mitigation expenditure, and put the financial statement on a website showing where the money goes.
Articles with an account of a year's accomplishments with reserve fees should be written and published in magazines and papers in the US (like Nature
Conservancy, WWF, etc.). They need to work on the legitimacy of all this fee collection. |
way too logical to work in Mexico. the fees would be through the roof just so 1 peso would be left to be used on site.
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Many benefits for the people of the Vizcaino Reserve are the result of the "cobro de derechos" and is $46 pesos a day,
this year alone:
Clean Up of 5 kilometers of beach and part of town in Bahia Tortugas. 35 people involved for 52 days, $3200 pesos for each one and a cleaner town.
Clean up of 4 Kilometers of beach and parts of town in Bahia Asuncion, 34 people involved for 52 days , $3200 pesos for each one and a nicer town.
The same goes for la Bocana and Punta abreojos
Thats for the clean up.
There are social projects suported by the Reserve with money from this fees
Bahia Tortugas, New dump place , bigger , cleaner and safer,
Bahia asuncion , 3 projects
La Bocana 2 projects
Punta Abreojos 2 projects and also in Vizcaino , San Francisco, San Ignacio and more places
Total of money for this projects $3 100 000.oo pesos
looks to me its a good thing this cobro de derechos
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fishbuck
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A biosphere reserve is an international conservation designation given by UNESCO under its Programme on Man and the Biosphere (MAB). The World Network
of Biosphere Reserves is the collection of all 533 biosphere reserves in 107 countries (as of May, 2009).[1]
According to “The Statutory Framework of the World Network of Biosphere Reserves,” biosphere reserves are created “to promote and demonstrate a
balanced relationship between humans and the biosphere.” Under article 4, biosphere reserves must “encompass a mosaic of ecological systems,” and thus
consist of combinations of terrestrial, coastal, or marine ecosystems.
Through appropriate zoning and management, the conservation of these ecosystems and their biodiversity is sought to be maintained.
I didn't see anything about charging visitors for local social programs and paying locals to pick up their own trash.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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fishbuck
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Here is a list of reserves in the US:
United States of America
Focal point for biosphere reserves
Dr Barbara Weber
USDA Forest Service FIDR - I/NW
14th & Independence Avenue, S.W.
20250 Washington D.C.
Tel: (1.202) 205 1702
Fax: (1.202) 205 1530
E-mail: bweber@fs.fed.us
Biosphere Reserves
Aleutian Islands
Beaver Creek
Big Bend
Big Thicket
California Coast Ranges
Carolinian-South Atlantic
Cascade Head
Central Gulf Coast Plain
Central Plains
Champlain-Adirondak
Channel Islands
Coram
Denali
Desert
Everglades & Dry Tortugas
Fraser
Glacier
Glacier Bay-Admiralty Is.
Golden Gate
Guanica
H.J. Andrews
Hawaiian Islands
Hubbard Brook
Isle Royale
Jornada
Konza Prairie
Land Between The Lakes Area
Luquillo
Mammoth Cave Area
Mojave and Colorado Deserts
New Jersey Pinelands
Niwot Ridge
Noatak
Olympic
Organ Pipe Cactus
Rocky Mountain
San Dimas
San Joaquin
Sequoia-Kings Canyon
South Atlantic Coastal Plain
Southern Appalachian
Stanislaus-Tuolumne
Three Sisters
University of Michigan Biological Station
Virgin Islands
Virginia Coast
Yellowstone
As far as I know none charge any money. Only if you enter a park and it happens to be in a Biosphere Reserve.
So it appears that Mexico has taken an internationally approve ecological protection program and turned it into a charity program for the inhabitants
of a Biosphere Reserve.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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gnukid
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I've looked and looked and no where have I found any formal notice requiring a payment either, anywhere. As I mentioned from my previous experience,
the payment is primarily paid by formal commercial users of the space for their commercial purpose, not for individuals. Again that's only my personal
experience and my research after many years with Espiritu Santo and Partida.
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fishbuck
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Rocky Mountain National Park
Fees & Reservations
fees & reservations includes:
Permits
Individual Entrance Fees
Automobile: $20 - Valid for seven consecutive days, including date of purchase.
Pedestrians, bicycles, motorcycles and mopeds: $10 per person, not to exceed $20 per vehicle. Valid for seven consecutive days including date of
purchase.
Available at all Rocky Mountain National Park entrance stations.
So one of the finest national parks in the world only charges $20 per carload for seven days.
Or $10 per person for walkins for seven days.
And only when you enter the park through a gate.
About $1.40/day for an individual and much less for a carload.
I haven't ever been there but I doubt that there is trash all over the place.
And it's in the Biosphere Reserve.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
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DianaT
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Some sites with some of the laws and regs----google and have the pages translated if needed.
It is their country and their laws.
http://www.conanp.gob.mx/pasaporte.html
http://rbispm.conanp.gob.mx/boletines/g2006-junio.pdf
There are more if you google
The laws are explained as are the areas, and this is just a tiny piece with a rough translation.
Through it the funds that are collected are used for conducting
de actividades como limpieza de áreas, vigilancia, monitoreos, protección y activities such as cleaning up areas, surveillance, monitoring, protection
and
acciones de restauración. restoration action
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fishbuck
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"It is their country and their laws."
No doubt.
But a Biosphere Preserve is a Unesco (United Nations) approved area and it's purpose was never to create welfare programs for local inhabitants.
So what you're selling as a Biosphere Preserve is in essence a major ecological disaster area that requires massive clean-up and restoration.
And the $5 goes to the same people who created the mess to pick up their own trash.
Just be honest about what this really is.
The Mexican Government coersing $5 more from vistors (Americans) to pay for what the Mexican government is really responsible for. So we are
involountarily bailing them out yet again.
[Edited on 6-25-2009 by fishbuck]
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
So we are involountarily .....
[Edited on 6-25-2009 by fishbuck] |
Visiting any part of Mexico is a choice----
[Edited on 6-25-2009 by jdtrotter]
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
So we are involountarily .....
[Edited on 6-25-2009 by fishbuck] |
Visiting any part of Mexico is a choice---- |
Is paying the $5 to visit Mexico a choice? I choose to visit but can I choose not to pay $5. No?
Well then I guess it's not really a choice is it.
If you ask me if I want to contribute $5 to clean up the trash in the Biosphere then that is a choice.
Can you understand the difference?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
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Ah, choices and more choices. How far does the $5 go with the ladies in the bar in Vizcaino? Joe Buck, if you stay on the main highway you'll have
less user fees to pay and you can still satisfy some of your Baja habits and itches, not have to worry about "who got what and what was it for?"
You'll know pretty well the answers to those questions after about 10 days.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Ah, choices and more choices. How far does the $5 go with the ladies in the bar in Vizcaino? Joe Buck, if you stay on the main highway you'll have
less user fees to pay and you can still satisfy some of your Baja habits and itches, not have to worry about "who got what and what was it for?"
You'll know pretty well the answers to those questions after about 10 days. |
And this comment has what to do with the Biosphere Reserve bracelet?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Osprey
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Well the bracelet was to show you paid a fee as a tourist. Remember, way back in the thread? Go back Buck. Go back.
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