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Bajahowodd
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Perhaps someone should go back to the begining of this post and see what the topic was. A wonderful post. Truly educational. But, the thread took on a
life of its own with all kinds of political garbage. And, unfortunately, I worry that the fine fellow who started this thread, is incapable of
understanding the difference between history and current political blather. They should be distinctly separated.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Ah, David. We really do appreciate so much that you post. You are a treasure to this forum. You just need to understand that when you venture into
political and present day cultural stuff, not only do few people have your back, but that you stand the chance of diminishing the value of your
quality work.
Maybe you should get an anonymous alter-ego name to post if you feel the need to get involved in the political and social foray. I'm serious. You post
some absolutely incredible stuff on here related to the history of Baja. I hope you continue to do so. And if you feel the need to chime in on
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It appears to me that this is the Post that took the thread a-stray----------comments like that CANNOT be just left there------they demand a response,
and good people responded. 
Barry
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Maybe you don't get it. This thread should never have taken on a political tone. So, if you feel like defending the defenseless, so be it. Simply put,
all that political back and forth crap dishonord the spirit of David's post.
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Barry A.
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As David (and I) have said countless times, we DON'T make political statements on this board, we simply respond to others making what we feel are
political statements. We both may occasionally screw up, but by and large we only respond. Tho the tone of your original comments impress me as
cordial, they cannot be just "left out there" when we don't agree, it seems to me. So, if that statement means I "don't get it", then you are
probably right------I don't.
But I DO appreciate most of your comments on Mexico in general, and Baja in particular. We all have our own points of view.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
So, if that statement means I "don't get it", then you are probably right------I don't.
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For some reason....I think you do.
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David--I don't understand your claiming that we have the best medical care in the world-----we may have the best care AVAILABLE, but only to those who
can afford it( which is one reason why we are something like 40th in the world in longevity). Have you had any any medical claims recently and been
able to experience the process? We have, and it is messed up! My wife was in an accident, not her fault, and she was basically okay except for some
pain in her wrist and hand---the insurance company said to go to the doctor but no doctor would see her since it was an auto accident and the doctors
are tired of being screwed over by the insurance companies (read:private free market insurance companies). So eventually she had to go to the
emergency room and pay $1,500 for something that should have cost a couple hundred---the insurance company had to pay that extra---so where is the
efficiency? Another example is all the folks who can't afford health care who end up clogging up the ERs for stuff that should be treated in a
doctors office---and the taxpayers end up paying the tab for all those outrageously expensive ER visits---as long as we're paying for it I'd rather
pay them to go see a doctor than the ER !
I'm all for free markets when they work to our advantage and in most industries they do (and you know I had my own company in CA for 20 years). Also,
I worked for the city of Fort Worth for six months so brother I know how bad bureaucracies can be! But there has to a balance somehow---the idea of
the government "running " a health care system isn't the best solution and probably won't happen but, as in the Netherlands, the government helping
regulate the system of private insurers works well for the populace---prices are set for all medical services and since the insurers can't compete on
price they compete on quality! 
Step off soap box...
Just had to chime in on this already hijacked thread---great article on flying David! Keep up the good work.
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Was hoping to see a bunch of old Baja flying photos...
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Was hoping to see a bunch of old Baja flying photos...
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Check out Page one of this thread to see the flying stuff!  
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O. K. David!
This goes back a long way, I am still looking for the Photos.
Many years ago , before the road opened I received a Accident Claim for an Aircraft that had dinged up on landing at Punta Chavito.
Determined that it would have to be Hauled out, so elisted the help of a Salvage Guy, Vaughn Lamb of Oakland Ca and headed to Guyamus caight the Ferry
to Sta Roslilla.
Arriving at Chivato after a very bad 18 mile trip on the roughtst road in Baja.
Took off the Wings and loaded everything on the trailer and took the plane back to Oakland for Repairs. Cost $5,000.
Inspecteded the old Hotel at Chivato which was in total dissray. Windows and doors offf, it was Trashed! later went back and saw it as it is today.
Sket
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Thanks Skeet... Do you recall what year that was? The ferry to Santa Rosalia from Guaymas started running in 1972 when pavement north from La Paz
reached Santa Rosalia.
We drove to Punta Chivato during our summer '73 trip and used the ferry to Guaymas to go home as the highway from Tijuana was still far from
finished... and we were in a Ford station wagon!
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David:
Thanks for not giving up. You are a p******!
Some day somebody, in a non libhole university, is gonna write a PHd thesis on the causes of the difference between libs and conservatives....are they
born that way or do they get programmed or both?
I suspect it's both because I am a graduate of Harvard...about as lib as you can get....and I know others in my boat who ain't libholes.....who read
the Federalist Papers, Adam Smith, more Thomas Jefferson, Plato et al and etc......and learned from them....and remembered all these years later.
It also helps to have been required to make a living and raise a family without the "help" of the gummint or well heeled parents.
.....one seems to grow up some doing that.
Churchill said, (paraphrased) that If you aren't a liberal when you're young you don't have a heart and if you aren't a conservative when your old you
don't have a brain.
Its' required nowadays to have both.
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DK:
I hate to rub some salt into some wounds but you gotta wonder at MtGoat666 who has been beating us up here. Most know that "666" is a symbol for the
devil...as is a goat.
So, maybe, goat is getting his sophomoric and iconoclastic giggles by devilishly talking here.
....suspect we'll get upbraided for that too.
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DK
Did you ever think that the local clinic just might be getting some of that government help? or you that blind to think that you never get any help
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
DK
Did you ever think that the local clinic just might be getting some of that government help? or you that blind to think that you never get any help
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Obviously I am not DK, but your premise here is wierd it seems to me! If the "service" is there and available, of course Conservatives would use it
since they are forced to pay into it, along with everybody else------that is just good business. The point is that the Country (no Country) can
afford all these "services", and basing our daily lives on these subsidies just results in more people expecting it, and therefore not providing it
for themselves, a never ending cycle. I am against most subsidies, including the obscene subsidies to Corporations and Farming, but if the Govt.
wants to give back some of the money they took, then of course I will be there to except it.
I DON'T except Social Security, tho--------as I don't need it and the program is bankrupt, and many people DO need it, but I don't like it, and the
same principals outlined above apply to SS also. We simply cannot keep this trend up and expect to prosper as a Nation.
Barry
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not weird just checking to see if people who make broad brush statements about the government being to big have really thought about the services
they use or have used. and what it would be like if those services were never there or ceased to exist. can you imagine this great country if we
allowed each individual to veto the programs (yes programs) that they did not like? Thank god that we are a democracy where the majority (of the
voting public) still rules
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
We simply cannot keep this trend up and expect to prosper as a Nation.
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chicken little,
the sky is not falling. a prosperous country can affford government social services. the tax burden in US is really not too bad, with creativity
most people pay a reasonable tazx rate.
if you would like to live in a country with zero taxes and zero soicial programs, you are welcome to move to somalia -- tell me how it works out for
you.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
not weird just checking to see if people who make broad brush statements about the government being to big have really thought about the services
they use or have used. and what it would be like if those services were never there or ceased to exist. can you imagine this great country if we
allowed each individual to veto the programs (yes programs) that they did not like? Thank god that we are a democracy where the majority (of the
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yes, the same people complaining about taxes funding social services have no problem with taxes funding largest/most expensive military complex ever
in the world.
i like my govt services. i like the hwy system. i like public education. i lke the post office. i like the NEA. i like the FAA. i like the NPS
and USFS. i like my local library. i like my local parks and beaches. i like the success of the CWA and CAA, and associated agencies. the list
goes on and on. i think the tax rate is bearable, and i am happy to be taxed for the services i take advantage of.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
not weird just checking to see if people who make broad brush statements about the government being to big have really thought about the services
they use or have used. and what it would be like if those services were never there or ceased to exist. can you imagine this great country if we
allowed each individual to veto the programs (yes programs) that they did not like? Thank god that we are a democracy where the majority (of the
voting public) still rules |
yes, the same people complaining about taxes funding social services have no problem with taxes funding largest/most expensive military complex ever
in the world.
i like my govt services. i like the hwy system. i like public education. i lke the post office. i like the NEA. i like the FAA. i like the NPS
and USFS. i like my local library. i like my local parks and beaches. i like the success of the CWA and CAA, and associated agencies. the list
goes on and on. i think the tax rate is bearable, and i am happy to be taxed for the services i take advantage of. |
Apples and oranges!!!! I don't know anybody that is against the list of "services" you state here--------those are what most of us want from our
Government, and more. It is the huge expensive social programs that many of us don't want from our Govt. because it is corrosive to society, and no
Country can afford them in the long run---------.
Yes, the main function of the Govt. is to defend our Country, and it's interests----you got that right.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
We simply cannot keep this trend up and expect to prosper as a Nation.
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chicken little,
the sky is not falling. a prosperous country can affford government social services. the tax burden in US is really not too bad, with creativity
most people pay a reasonable tazx rate.
if you would like to live in a country with zero taxes and zero soicial programs, you are welcome to move to somalia -- tell me how it works out for
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I would offer an even less challenging offer: I challenge anybody to find any other nation which does not offer the public option to health care, and
then tell us if you could feasibly live there.
Here, I'll make it easy for you. Just choose any of the areas shaded in gray.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
I would offer an even less challenging offer: I challenge anybody to find any other nation which does not offer the public option to health care, and
then tell us if you could feasibly live there.
Here, I'll make it easy for you. Just choose any of the areas shaded in gray.
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I choose the USA----- up to now the most prosperous Nation on the planet, and the "standard" by which all other Nations are measured, and the magnet
that draws more immigrants than any other Nation, I believe.
It may be that is about to change---------we will see.
Barry
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