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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
As to Hiring Illegals!?
What is the Answer for an Employer who needs Workers!!
The only Workers to be hired are Illegal??
It is true all over"
One of the Reasons for many companies to go overseas.
What is a Local Employer to do if there is not enough Workers..
What is the Answer. ?? |
That's an argument for a migrant worker program if you are talking about seasonal field laborers working in the border states.
If you're talking about year round jobs in other industries, the employer needs to pay wages that would attract citizens. If the cost precludes making
a profit he's out of business.
Making a profit off of illegal alien workers is the fundamental reason most of the 12 million of them are in the US.
[Edited on 1-2-2010 by k-rico]
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surebought
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Wow, People sure have a lot to say about immigration. People in general, I think are polorizing into the Religous Right and everybody else. But
there some flaws in this. There sure are a lot of the Religous right down here trying to convert Catholics to their Brand X of Christianism. Once I
confronted one with the idea that the converts were really using him to have job contacts in the States when they finally get to gringolandia. Oh, he
was fine with that. In Ensenada, the people tend to end up in Santa Maria, California and Cedar City, Utah. If I moved back to one of these cities
and opened a restaurant Fish Tacos de Ensenada, I would have lots of customers almost immediately.
In a while the smile on my face turned to plaster.
Stick around while the clown who is sick, does the trick of disaster. Neil Young from Mr Soul.
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Donjulio
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I think we need to open our borders and our eyes and our hearts. Drop the labels and address the real issue which isn't about legalities or anything
but the reality that a "human being" is trying to make a better life for themselves.
It wasn't that many generations ago that our families were the immigrants. Legal or illegal doesnt really matter. They came for a better way of life.
Now just because "we were here first" we have some sort of sense of entitlement. BS.
And if an honest business person needs an honest days work done they should have the ability to hire any person willing or qualified to do the job.
All this is based on thoughts of fear, scarcity and lack. Afraid someones going to take something from us. The only one that loses here is us with the
judgmental attitudes and racism.
The golden rule doesnt mean do unto others unless they are from another country. And love thy neighbor as thyself as long as his name isn't Juan. It's
time the world changes it and it begins right here with us.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
I think we need to open our borders and our eyes and our hearts. |
You forgot wallets.
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Skeet/Loreto
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k-rico"
You are missing the Point!
There is not anyone out there to Hire!!
They either are at the Mall, on Welfare, and just donot or cannot fill a Employers Job Force.
Can you even imagine a $70 Hour Auto worker losing his job and going to work for $15 an Hour??
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bombero
Wessongroup: May i suggest that before you quote or comment on one,s post, make sure you read it correctly. I stated no one has died of thirst
crossing legally. Those who choose the "desert route" are not legally crossing. You read only what you wanted to believe! You chose not to comment on
the deaths in the US due to those who crossed "illegally" using the desert. "starving in Fresno" bark off almond trees, have you not heard of wefare,
food stamps, wic vouchers, or food banks???????? Perhaps you should open your home and bank account to help solve this crisis in your community!!
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Stand corrected for the time being, about the legal's dying of thirsts, as I thought I was commenting on the poor unfounate people who die every year
trying to cross a "desert" to get to the land of "oppourtunity" for them and what they get once there.. however, I'm sure I could find at least one,
as there must be at least one ... Didn't say they were starving to death in Fresno, and perhaps have you not heard that those services are taking a
really big hit in the new budget ... as the State of California.. does not have the money... like the Governor said, "we can't just print it up like
the Federal Government does"
As for my "community" right now it's El Pescador in Baja, MX.. and I eat in all the local resturants, buy in the local markets, have had a few of the
locals over for coffee and menduo and their dogs... I open my house up and my bank account as much as I can afford.. I also give free advertisement to
local folks who need the business, and how about you... you got a web site up, promoting business in Primo Tapia, El Pescador, Rosarito.. contibute to
Mexican charity, and to the Amerian Indian Charities.. I don't use the casino's as I can't get around anymore.. but, would if I could... just love to
drop a few bucks into their tribal coffers .....
Yeah, I've heard of Wefare, food stamps, vouchers and food banks, have relatives using it right now, and I tell them I'm not paying for it .... I
don't agree with it at all...
One should try and plan their lives based on thrift, honesty, hard work and following the Law and Regulations which govern their action within the
"State" they live in... even if they don't agree with them... I have and still do... but, getting as far away from the "great sucking" sound that Ross
Perout was talking about.. we are on the event horizon and we are going in... I hope we hit hard as I don't want to limp away from the crash site...
I'm already limping..
And for reading ones post, I ask the same in return.... "to my knowledge" I have posted direct and to the point of the others post, and put up
information to help local business in Baja.. If I miss read, the post I stand corrected.. but, by view on the other stands... I walk the walk... do
you???
Just what have you done lately... 
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Diver
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Water for those attempting an illegal act ??
Perhaps we should require that all bank interior walls be made of materials that will absorb bullets to ensure that a bank robber who shoots his gun
in the bank wouldn't get killed by his own deflected bullets ?
If I wanted to move to New Zealand I would need to have major bucks or they won't let you stay. They are trying to protect their social services
system; why do we need to be any different ?
Those wishing to enter the US from Cuba or Haiti need to gain political asylum or they are not welcome. Why do we need to treat these illegal border
crossers any differently ?
Those moving to Mexico need an FM2 or FM3 or they can be thrown out at any time with no questions asked. It costs time and $ to get these visas but
they are required. And you still can't vote without citizenship. Why should we treat potential new residents any differently ?
I am not unsensitive to the plight of a dehydrated desert traveler but perhaps we should be making the trip appear harder, not easier for these
illegals. If we stop them from trying to cross the desert, less will die trying.
The solution is to make work visas easier to get (when needed and with employer verification) and tighten our security at borders and with employer
penalties.
Immigration is a good thing but uncontrolled immigration IS leading to major problems for our country.
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MrBillM
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Watering the Illegal
Even I would "probably" give a thirsty Illegal a drink of water. Keeping my Pistol handy, just in case.
AND, at the earliest possible opportunity, report him/her/them to Border Enforcement to be rounded up.
The entire argument of ANY "Open Border" proponent is marooonic.
The wide disparity in economic status (which Obama is working hard to bring down to Third-World level) means that we have to do whatever necessary to
Minimize the level of immigration. In a country where our LEGAL Unemployment rate is likely to remain above Eight-Ten percent for
years to come, we can't allow the influx to continue. IF we actually had an open border, the Exponential increase in those coming North would quickly
bring OUR standards down towards those in Mexico.
There is, in addition, the problematic FACT (for Liberals) that our U.S. prison population is stocked with Illegal Aliens at a percentage far above
their presence in the population. Clearly, not all of those pitiful characters wandering through the desert are Honest Hard-Workers looking for a Job
and a Better life.
Unless, that's a Criminal position they're seeking.
Give Em a Drink and get them Locked up, Shipped Out.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
k-rico"
You are missing the Point!
There is not anyone out there to Hire!!
They either are at the Mall, on Welfare, and just donot or cannot fill a Employers Job Force.
Can you even imagine a $70 Hour Auto worker losing his job and going to work for $15 an Hour?? |
Now that is the point, I remember that an effort was made back in the late 70's by the State of California and the "growers" to try and fill jobs in
the "Valley" due to Mr. Chavez's very effective boycott of grapes ... this was something that happened more than once... that I recall, for various
reasons..
But, could not get one person, off unemployment in the State of California to come work in the "fields" harvesting crops.. not one.. and the State was
suppling transportation in Greyhound buses to the work and back home at night to the major urban areas, Los Angeles and the Bay area..
It was also set up for people to come and harvest crops from the fields, after the "first pick", again no takers .....
The work is HARD work, and most people in the United States don't do HARD work, except the very poor... and that's is the way it is and will be..
Everyone wants a $70/hr job putting lug nuts on wheel on a assembly line, but working in the "outdoors" in 110º with the wind blowing.. not too many
takers...
For what it's worth, my Dad picked cabbage in Phoenix AZ in 1933 for .11/hr and was thankful for the work... that was a time, when there was no: food
stamps, unemployment, welfare, medicare, anything... kind of like Mexico!!! and the house he lived in hard dirt floors.... with no plumbing..
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The Gull
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Ran out of Baja Dog Photos
Sorry guys - this is best photo I could find in a hurry. This thread is going nowhere. Move on.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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wessongroup
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ditto's
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
There is not anyone out there to Hire!!
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There are many folks in our area that used to make $100K that would take a job as a $20/hr carpenter or laborer if they could find it.
These are legal citizens of our country and friends of mine.
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bombero
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The quality of life in America was not give to us. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have given their lives in in the defense of our liberities our
government and way of live .Our prosperity came with a huge price and is currently ongoing for many of our soldiers now. We ,Americans are the most
generous country on earth. Maybe its time for Mexicans to have a "real revolution". Sacrifice as Americans have. Get a government that will help and
not hinder. Mexico has the resources, the talented people, and work ethics to be a !st class country and not need handouts from others. I lost my
father, friends, and other family members defending our way of life and I,m not to pleased to give it away or share with non citizens. Mexico,s army
is not there to protect citizens from invaders, but to protect the government from its citizens. It wont be easy and will be costly but so was ours!
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Skeet/Loreto
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Diver: And do you know why some people are having trouble finding Jobs:
Diver It is because the good State of Washington and especially the Seattle area is getting the "Liberal Tag". Employers are slow to hire as they may
"Offend" the Liberal Workers and get a Law Suit.
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MrBillM
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More Mixed Fruit (and Veggies) ?
Apples, Oranges and Lettuce ?
The Chavez-led Union Boycott did NOT involve Illegal Immigrant labor so I'm unsure what someone THINKS they're proving by bringing up that effort.
BTW, the statement that "Not One" person could be found to fill those jobs is incorrect. During part of that time, I was living in Salinas and knew
more than one person who DID go to work in the fields, including one of my best-friends at the time.
He DID say it was the hardest job he'd ever done and was happy to get a different job working at a Lumber Yard in Salinas.
A LOT of the inability to find replacement workers for those LEGAL residents in the Union Effort had to do with the usual Union Thuggery. Crossing
their lines could be dangerous. Going to the store could be. I crossed many of their lines in front of stores to buy groceries and was harassed at
the time.
BTW, when it came to GRAPES, I moved directly from Salinas to Indio and worked in a business dealing with the Grape (and other)
growers. There wasn't a single season that they had any problem harvesting the Table Grape crop.
[Edited on 1-2-2010 by MrBillM]
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Skeet/Loreto
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Wessongroup:
Have you seen and heard what the Liberal Nuts" have done with their Fruity deal with the Delta Smelt??
That is why there is such a larger unemployment problem this year in the Central valley.
It is unbeleivable How Nutty the Liberal Envior Nuts can be with their Hollaring about Profit Margins then they do something like the Delta Smelt and
wonder "Why did those Big Corp; raise the price of Food???
3rd grade Children know and act better--Sometimes!!
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wessongroup
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Yeah, guess I made the fatal mistake.. use an absolute.. let's just say, your couple of friends did not get the "sections" of crops harvested... and
as far as thugs, I saw growers that keep their "field hands" under guard ,in fenced compounds, with dogs and "supervisors" who carried "guns"..
And if you think all those folks in Delano were legal, ... you just made the same mistake I made... an absolute... "The Chavez-led Union Boycott did
NOT involve Illegal Immigrant labor" Please.... what planet are you from
Yeah, I know Gull, it's not going anywhere, and I have to get a life... or a different thread
This is old stuff and will never change.. unless... well, can't think of anything which will change...
And I served my county, as did many of my forefathers:first Wesson 1657 in VA as an indentured Slave, fought Revolutionary war, war of 1812, Civil
War, Spanish American, First World War, WWII and a few police actions... does not mean we are always right, just that we will go and fight....
This is something I just got from another Nomad, I like it, won't do anything about not getting a SS raise this year Skeet's but, as you are well
aware.... things are tuff out there.. heck just try and sell a pice of land in Merced or Madera County...
This could be the answer to unemployment
Due to the current financial situation caused by the slowdown in the economy, Congress has decided to implement a scheme to put workers of 50 years of
age and above on early retirement, thus creating jobs and reducing unemployment.
This scheme will be known as RAPE (Retire Aged People Early).
Persons selected to be RAPED can apply to Congress to be considered for the SHAFT program (Special Help After Forced Termination).
Persons who have been RAPED and SHAFTED will be reviewed under the SCREW program (System Covering Retired-Early Workers).
A person may be RAPED once, SHAFTED twice and SCREWED as many times as Congress deems appropriate.
Persons who have been RAPED could get AIDS (Additional Income for Dependents & Spouse) or HERPES (Half Earnings for Retired Personnel Early
Severance).
Obviously persons who have AIDS or HERPES will not be SHAFTED or SCREWED any further by Congress.
Persons who are not RAPED and are staying on will receive as much chit (Special High Intensity Training) as possible. Congress has always prided
themselves on the amount of chit they give our citizens.
Should you feel that you do not receive enough chit, please bring this to the attention of your Congressman, who has been trained to give you all the
chit you can handle.
Sincerely,
The Committee for Economic Value of Individual Lives (E.V.I.L.)
PS - - Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas and oil, as well as current market conditions, the Light at the End of the
Tunnel has been turned off.
Thanks to Susan
[Edited on 1-2-2010 by wessongroup]
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Eugenio
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The majority of mexicans won't work the fields anymore - they are big city folk. The majority of the ones that are willing to work the fields usually
come from mexican states way down south or Central America - in fact they have the same problem finding good cheap labor amongst locals in Valle de
Fuerte (Sinaloa) and San Quintin(BC).
The big loser in all of this isn't the US - it's Mexico and Central America - which are losing the best of an entire generation of workers and
enterprenuers (yeah - along with some of their thugs).
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Yes, civil dialog is good and you do maintain that civility, Sir! I appreciate that. |
Yeah - well F U too big boy - in fact ucantakeyerfrigintubaandstickitupyerfriggin...oh wait...did you mean that as a compliment?
Gee.
Likewise sir and have a good New Year man.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Yes, civil dialog is good and you do maintain that civility, Sir! I appreciate that. |
Yeah - well F U too big boy - in fact ucantakeyerfrigintubaandstickitupyerfriggin...oh wait...did you mean that as a compliment?
Gee.
Likewise sir and have a good New Year man. |
I am not clear as to your intention in this post. Is it meant to be funny?
My statement was definitely sincere and meant to be complimentary. There is enough rancor by malcontents on this board. For me, open dialog without
the crap is important. Many people here will disagree with my views but most show the courtesy to counter civilly. Some don't. I am just trying to
determine in which category you belong.
Edited to give you an out: Sometimes humor does not come across well in writing. It lacks the aural inflection and the visual validation of the smile
or the warmth from within that is shown when looking into one's eyes. You seem to possess writing skills that are adequate enough to know this. This
is why I am questioning your intent.
[Edited on 1-2-2010 by toneart]
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Eugenio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Yes, civil dialog is good and you do maintain that civility, Sir! I appreciate that. |
Yeah - well F U too big boy - in fact ucantakeyerfrigintubaandstickitupyerfriggin...oh wait...did you mean that as a compliment?
Gee.
Likewise sir and have a good New Year man. |
I am not clear as to your intention in this post. Is it meant to be funny?
My statement was definitely sincere and meant to be complimentary. There is enough rancor by malcontents on this board. For me, open dialog without
the crap is important. Many people here will disagree with my views but most show the courtesy to counter civilly. Some don't. I am just trying to
determine in which category you belong.
Edited to give you an out: Sometimes humor does not come across well in writing. It lacks the aural inflection and the visual validation of the smile
or the warmth from within that is shown when looking into one's eyes. You seem to possess writing skills that are adequate enough to know this. This
is why I am questioning your intent.
[Edited on 1-2-2010 by toneart] |
Yeah - it was meant to be funny - sorry for the confusion - sometimes I get overly whacky - I think it's in my genes - cheers man - and thanks for the
compliment.
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