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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by audiobaja
El Teo can get nabbed for one thing at least. He can't explain how he has $millions in a brief case. That alone is enough to send him to jail.
I forget what my wife calls it, but basically "inexplicable wealth" is a crime.
As for shooting guns, it appears El Teo subcontracts that. He's far more likely to try to beat the rap Mafia style than commit suicide.
[Edited on 1-14-2010 by audiobaja] |
Let's change this story for reasonable comparison- Say Dennis was reportedly caught with 5.8 million in a suitcase. First, it makes little sense and
its hard to believe-why? What good would it do to have 5.8 million in a suitcase? Also, its not a crime to find money, it can be turned over to the
some department in the Treasury to identify that's it, it is not a crime.
I will wait for the evidence. Hope you do too.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Bring me my new tinfoil hat, please.  |
Tony--------you have GOT to take better care of those "hats"----they are very fragile, you know, and only work when in good shape. (I speak from
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Barry |
Tony here you go please don't loose it again. They are getting expensive! I just lost mine again too!
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Ahhhhh! Thanks, guys. With so much on my mind, the head swells and the damned hat keeps popping off and getting lost.
Now I can get back to work. 
I suppose in an emergency, the silver fillings in my mouth will bring in reception. There is a lot of static though. The new tinfoil hat keeps my
brain clear as a bell. 
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Tony I'll hang out with you so your not so lonley!
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I'm sorry but someone has to say it. There is a person or people in this thread and they are spinning out of control in the vortex. I'll let you
decide who!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Please, why not include any links or references to actual factual evidence beyond these farcical story lines.
Each of you who promote killing or execution without that evidence must be ashamed of yourselves for falling into a trap of programmed repetitive
violence. Truly, you must ask yourself what kind of values you represent if you base your values on theatrics and condone murder of others based only
on theatrics and heresay and no evidence of crime.
I do not doubt that there are bad guys, only that I expect that everyone should be afforded the same expectation of evidence of guilt in a public
trial. And it is deeply offensive to our values as a community of fairness that You would promote open threats of murder without such evidence. Each
of you who have made these statements in support of murder without evidence previously in this thread need to look at your values and morality and ask
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newkid: are you starting a legal aid fund for el teo?
the evidence is usually in hands of policia. no justice system produces evidence for all to see for themselves. you have to trust it will be
revealed to defense in discovery period before trial, and you can probably go to court and watch trial if you want to see it for yourself. until
then, you have to go with what police release to press and what press tells you.
re death penalty, mexico doesn't have it.
re nomads making rushed judgements,... well, that's what old men do when they sit around in their underwear blathering on in internet forums
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by audiobaja
El Teo can get nabbed for one thing at least. He can't explain how he has $millions in a brief case. That alone is enough to send him to jail.
I forget what my wife calls it, but basically "inexplicable wealth" is a crime.
As for shooting guns, it appears El Teo subcontracts that. He's far more likely to try to beat the rap Mafia style than commit suicide.
[Edited on 1-14-2010 by audiobaja] |
Let's change this story for reasonable comparison- Say Dennis was reportedly caught with 5.8 million in a suitcase. First, it makes little sense and
its hard to believe-why? What good would it do to have 5.8 million in a suitcase? Also, its not a crime to find money, it can be turned over to the
some department in the Treasury to identify that's it, it is not a crime.
I will wait for the evidence. Hope you do too. |
this drug war stuff has been going on for years. i suspect that policia (us and mex) have rooms full of evidence, many thousands of hours of wire
taps, spy satellite photos, etc.
newkid: you march down to the police station and demand to be allowed to rumage around in the evidence storage lockers!!! tell me how that works for
you
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Enthusiasm for criminal enforcement is great, but, perhaps a critical view might be worth consideration.
There is no evidence presented so far that someone named el teo is responsible for any crime. Yes, there are post-attributions of responsibility,
claims of credit, but no actual evidence presented before and after the arrest.
While we do have evidence of some people who are narco-traffickers, actual evidence, those cases predominantly point to sources such as CIA drug
operations, crashed military extradition planes full of coke, corrupt military and black operations like Iran-Contra of which there are many.
Interestingly that with so many so called investigators and retired police here, none of you have brought up the quite obvious question-about the
evidence that in fact el teo is responsible for anything and where is evidence that the person they arrested is that person.
There are fairly obvious and basic questions, that haven't been brought up nor answered here, so it brings up the obvious question, if this is a crime
and arrest Why is there no evidence, it looks like distractions and obfuscation from actual corruption, not so different from operations to justify
the war of terror, in this case its the police state to justify the war for drugs. |
nuke-kid:
on the other had you do make a good point. govts and law enforcement often manufacture evidence to tell the story they want to tell. one need look
no further than gulf of tonkin, GWB and his mythical WMDs, etc.
el teo could be a big show by govt to appease the masses and boost the tourism industry -- perhaps a plot hatched by hoteliers??
[Edited on 1-14-2010 by mtgoat666]
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ELINVESTIG8R
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"The Defense Rests Your Honor!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
What good would it do to have 5.8 million in a suitcase? |
Gee, I dunno. Lemme think about it.
Strike that........
Lemme DREAM about it.
[Edited on 1-14-2010 by k-rico]
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The Death Penalty
I know I run the risk of taking this thread off on a tangent, but come on! I cannot understand how it is that the United States stands just about
alone among the industrialized world in having the death penalty. As for El Teo, and his henchnen, such as El Pozolero, does anyone think that
considering the level of perverse horror they have wrought, the death penalty would be anything more than what they would welcome? Personally, I'd
like to see El Teo and his buddies have to fear dropping the soap in the shower in a very uncomfortable prison for the next fifty years or so.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
I said, paraphrasing, we have seen no evidence of criminal activity nor evidence that this is a criminal in these recent reports.
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The reports (and photos showing what was confiscated) indicate an assault rifle and 9mm pistol were among
those things they recovered at the residence (along with the $$$, laptops, multiple cell phones, etc.).
Would possession of those firearms be criminal activity?
Just curious.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
no justice system produces evidence for all to see for themselves. you have to trust it will be revealed to defense in discovery period before
trial, and you can probably go to court and watch trial if you want to see it for yourself. |
I don't think the Mexican judicial system has open trials with procedures you and i would recognize. That is coming in the reforms of 2015 I think.
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MtGoaat666 is starting up the "Free El Teo" campaign.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
Interesting house...no wall, no fence, no gate. Little unusual in that hood. |
Not to mention they took him down, with choppers and planes flying around overhead, without a shot being fired. If I were the type of guy who cooked
people's bodies in acid, I'd at least shoot my gun a couple of times. |
There is no evidence presented so far that someone named el teo is responsible for any crime. |
That's about the dummest comment i have seen here in a while.
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Tin Foil Hats
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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That's your best post, Arrowhead!
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
"...where is evidence that the person they arrested is that person."(?)-gnukid
This is an interesting stretch of the imagination! Having said that, my mind can go there and make a case:
1. Phony, trumped up arrest of decoy so as to shield the real Teo.
2. Brownie points with public.
3. Justification for War On Drugs which is a BIG industry.
Choose one, two or all three.
Quien sabe?
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I have no theory about what is happening in this case, not at all. I asked some pretty obvious questions which so many of you smartypants
investigators and retired police and military failed to ask-which to me is odd.
I said, paraphrasing, we have seen no evidence of criminal activity nor evidence that this is a criminal in these recent reports. Furthermore, I said
that yes there is evidence of narco trafficking by people who are caught-such as the Iran Contra case and many well documented military extradition
planes who crashed loaded with drugs. Many many cases of CIA and Military support for drug trafficking, such as that which is occurring in Afghanistan
now under US military protection.
Certainly I would agree, the entire scenario is sad, horrific really, but can we drip the farcical theatrics for some actual crime-busting and do it
in a manner which reinforces our values, our morals and common sense which has been entirely lacking in the reporting of this narco arrest.
You are certainly each welcome to your viewpoint. Though I would urge you to be thoughtful, critical and skeptical as your first position. Do not let
your emotional buttons be pushed by theatre which compromises your values and don't demean yoursleves but falling toward and mirroring bad behavior.
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gnukid-
I'm puzzled as to why you pick my post to make an example of. First of all, I am obviously NOT a "smartypants" investigator or a retired police or
military. I am just a "smartypants"! You say "you are certainly each welcome to your viewpoint". Are you placing me in any kind of group? The group
would laugh at that. You do not have a theory and either do I. You and I are left to conjecture in our own ways. Your post was a departure point for
mine, which was supportive. You instigated it and I further enhanced one of your points.
Surely you have seen enough of my serious posts to know that I can string three words together to make a sentence, although brevity is not one of my
strong suits.
"Farcical theatrics"? That's what I do. I went to The Academy, OK? You can't stop me because I can't stop. Deal with it! "Bad behavior?" I'm
incorrigible. 
I have my new tinfoil hat on right now and I am pulling in...uh...oh jeez 
....it's Zeitgeist! Go get your hat and join me. This is some serious sh*t! By the way, I know Jack Sh*t!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajazz...
Eric Berne, the brilliant psychiatrist who wrote "Games People Play," made the most excellent point ... |
Couldn't pass that up jazz. Dr. Berne would be extremely pleased to be quoted on Nomads.
So, would you say this thread is "Ain't It Awful"???
Allen R
Ahhhh, memories of medicine balls on Suicide Beach.
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Toneart, and I thought you needed some help, silly me.. you can take care of yourself just fine... I did liked the points both raised however, they
are valid ... as are the counter "points" and/or discussion which followed.. very interesting take "crime and punishment" ... or "As the Baja Nomads
Turn".. thanks to all
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And I USED to like pozole
"Mexican federal police say Garcia Simental oversaw the work of Santiago Meza Lopez, also known as "El Pozolero".
Pozole is a kind of Mexican stew. Meza Lopez allegedly dissolved bodies in acid. The soupy mix is said to resemble pozole."
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/jan/12/arrest-el-teo-gives-hop...
I've already given up TJ tacos de cabeza.
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