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toneart
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
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I am very impressed with the Binational lady Olivia.
I am definately going to join her organization.
Next I found out the an AAAPlus membership has Aeromedivac coverage. But your must have $25000 available balance on your credit card.
I have both of those and need to file that with Olivia at Binational.
And I hope I never need it. But if I do I hope they send that beautiful United States Coast Guard Helicopter to fly me to the best hospital there is.
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Fishbuck,
I was the one that informed Olivia about AAA Plus' coverage. It is a reimbursement. Like you said, you will have to have enough credit on your credit
card to prepay an airlift or any emergency medical treatment, or buy a membership in a private medical airlift.
The Coast Guard Helicopter is not something you can count on. It is called on as a last resort, in an unusual situation (remote area/middle of a
storm) and nothing else can be arranged. Also, Jim was not all that far from the border.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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I am happy he got out safe and sound via the Coast Guard Rescue. Screw the cost! We better damn well take care of each other when one of us in need
because of a medical emergency! I have no problem spending my portion of taxes I pay to the federal government on rescues! God Bless America!
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David K
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Yah, I wonder how much fuss we will hear about any coast guard that goes to Haiti... and that is not only not part of the U.S. but it is to help
non-U.S. citizens! Complaining that a U.S. citizen was saved by the coast guard, even in Baja... well, is just bizarre!
[typo 'wull' fixed to 'will', bazaar changed to bizarre (wrong word used), mis-spelled guard fixed, thanks BajaGuy]
[Edited on 1-30-2010 by David K]
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bajaguy
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SPELL CHECK
GUARD
GUARD
GUARD..................
not GAURD
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, I wonder how much fuss we wull hear about any coast gaurd that goes to Haiti... and that is not only not part of the U.S. but it is to help
non-U.S. citizens! Complaining that a U.S. citizen was saved by the coast gaurd, even in Baja... well, is just bazaar! |
nobody is complaining, the nobodies are simply asking who you have to know to get coastie life flight service?
a disaster of the magnitude of haiti is irrelevant but perhaps is par for the course for the bloviator in chief 
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TMW
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
FY 2000. * A Coast Guard HH-65 Dolphin helicopter has an operating cost of $5,173.00 per hour.
That was 10 years ago. My guess would be double that today.
Maximum speed: 160 knots, 184 mph
"276 miles south of the border" x 2 + distance from Yuma to San Diego 171 miles= 723 miles/ 150mph= approx 5 hours of flight time.
Or about $50,000 plus other administrative costs.
So Jim and Doug you owe the Coast Guard about $50,000+
Will that be cash or check... |
Military operations including the coast guard operate with a given amount of fuel per month, normally more than they need, and they use it no matter
what or they lose it and the following months the allotment is reduced. The personel are on salary not hourly. So whether they pick someone up and
haul them to Yuma or just cruise the sky doesn't matter the fuel is used. It's all part of their overall budget. It's like a military plane coming in
from a mission if they have fuel left they dump it to make landing weight.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
GUARD
GUARD
GUARD..................
not GAURD |
What about "bazaar" too?
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Bajahowodd
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There's a quantum difference between a natural disaster killing and maiming hundreds of thousands, not to mention those left homeless, and one person,
fallen ill in his home in a foreign land. I'm a tad surprised that the goatster appears to imply a certain agenda that could be considered racist. All
said and done, DK, a bazarr is similar to a swapmeet. 
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rts551
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Dam the cost. Come on you fiscal conservatives. what is good and is not??????? I thought there was too much government. Now there is some that is
good?
And David it's "we will" not "wull"
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Also, Jim was not all that far from the border. |
Tony, just out of curiosity, how far was that location by private auto from the border, say Calexico/Mexicali? I know that it is about 2.5 hours from
San Felipe to Calexico and not driving fast.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
FY 2000. * A Coast Guard HH-65 Dolphin helicopter has an operating cost of $5,173.00 per hour.
That was 10 years ago. My guess would be double that today.
Maximum speed: 160 knots, 184 mph
"276 miles south of the border" x 2 + distance from Yuma to San Diego 171 miles= 723 miles/ 150mph= approx 5 hours of flight time.
Or about $50,000 plus other administrative costs.
So Jim and Doug you owe the Coast Guard about $50,000+
Will that be cash or check... |
Military operations including the coast guard operate with a given amount of fuel per month, normally more than they need, and they use it no matter
what or they lose it and the following months the allotment is reduced. The personel are on salary not hourly. So whether they pick someone up and
haul them to Yuma or just cruise the sky doesn't matter the fuel is used. It's all part of their overall budget. It's like a military plane coming in
from a mission if they have fuel left they dump it to make landing weight. |
TW.
yes partly true. and yes they probably chalked this up as training but.... what they do is move money around to make it appear that that there is
not enough fuel money, not enough training money, and the swimming pool needs renovation in order to keep the troops fit. Lets not cry poor for the
military (including the Coast Guard) as they have had more money than ever over the last ten years.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
Military operations including the coast guard operate with a given amount of fuel per month, normally more than they need, and they use it no matter
what or they lose it and the following months the allotment is reduced. The personel are on salary not hourly. So whether they pick someone up and
haul them to Yuma or just cruise the sky doesn't matter the fuel is used. It's all part of their overall budget. It's like a military plane coming in
from a mission if they have fuel left they dump it to make landing weight. |
I used to work for a company that built SAR equipment for the Coast Guard and still does. Although I can't substantiate the specifics of the above
quote, the statement is, in essence, true. But it is also true with regards to whatever assistance the Coast Guard is providing in Haiti. Its just
all part of the budget.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, I wonder how much fuss we wull hear about any coast gaurd that goes to Haiti... and that is not only not part of the U.S. but it is to help
non-U.S. citizens! Complaining that a U.S. citizen was saved by the coast gaurd, even in Baja... well, is just bazaar! |
The whole story is bazaar. If you thought I was complaining you misunderstood.
I was trying to find out the circumstances of the rescue so I will know what the Coast Guard rescue approval criteria is. You know, incase I or
someone I am with needs Aeromedevac.
The only info that was in the 1st part of the thread was that the victim was dehydrated.
That does not happen suddenly.
Do any of you know how you get dehyrated from a blocked intestine?
Vomiting. Lots of vomiting. Days worth of vomiting. Until it becomes bad enough to become fecal vomiting. Then you become dehydrated.
Think about that a little.
I think most people would realize something was wrong way before and gone to the doctor way before a helicopter was necessary. And he had major
surgery two months prior. And he's 67 years old.
Anyway, I just called AAA they do not have aeromedevac insurance included in any of their memberships. That's what they told me. So if anyone knows
more about it and a contact number please provide it.
So I am going to contact Olivia at Binational and get myself and my son set up for an Aeromedevac membership.
As far as I know it's done by plane although there are some Helicopter services available in San Diego but I don't know wether they will fly to Baja.
So you need to be at a Government approved paved runway. I think I know where most of them are but want to make sure. You may need to be transported
there by ambulance. Also your condition needs to be stabilized first. So that may mean a trip to the local clinic first before the airport.
These are all details you need to have worked out before you need them. I f you need a "Lifeflight" out you will most likely be incapable of planning
it at that time.
After reading from Binationals homepage I know that the Coast Guard is an absolute last chance resourse.
My guess is that they will come and get you within the range of their helicopter. That's about 400 miles round trip.
So they probably had to stop at San Filepe for fuel to make it to Yuma or back to San Diego.
This is what you should be thinking about when you read these kind of stories.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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fishbuck
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Also, those helicopters sit on the ground on "alert" in San Diego bay at the Coast Gaurd station.
They do fly training missions but only enough to keep their crews proficient and no more.
If they are called on for a rescue that costs extra and money they would not spend otherwise.
The cost quotes were for flying time only.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Debra
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The person that DK refered to that had the insurance and not assisted was a good friend of many here at Nomad's. The reason that was given, was that
it would be dark soon. What angered me was that I just couldn't believe that something couldn't have been done, if needed 50 cars would have lit up
the runway in a matter of minutes to get that plane in. We will never know if he could have been saved.
Mean people suck!
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
The person that DK refered to that had the insurance and not assisted was a good friend of many here at Nomad's. The reason that was given, was that
it would be dark soon. What angered me was that I just couldn't believe that something couldn't have been done, if needed 50 cars would have lit up
the runway in a matter of minutes to get that plane in. We will never know if he could have been saved. |
What happens if a local Mexican has a heart attack in BOLA? I'm sure it happens.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Debra
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Good point Fishbuck, I wish I knew.
Mean people suck!
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
Good point Fishbuck, I wish I knew. |
Thank you for bringing up that the Medevac flights will only land during daylight. And I'm very sorry about the way you found that out.
So a good question would be is there a local clinic that can keep you alive until morning when the Medevac plane can land? If not...
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
Thank you for bringing up that the Medevac flights will only land during daylight. |
A few years ago, my next door neighbor had what they thought was an "emergency" (they later admitted it wasn't life threatening). They had Medi-Vac
insurance but the plane would not come after dark to Cabo at either CSL or SJD airports. She hired a private plane to take her husband back to
California that night. That's why I don't have Medi-Vac insurance.
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Debra
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There is a clinic with a doctor, (also Abraham is there some of the time) They just aren't prepared to handel this kind of emergency, he was taken to
the clinic and was told to get to SQ ASAP!(FYI, SQ is farther, then GN, but, they were told to go to SQ, something to know?) the ambulance came and
got him out as soon as they could, but, by the time his wife got there (driving a bit behind) he was gone....he did make it to the hosiptal alive,
but, died within minutes. Mrs. told me that everyone in town was wonderful and went above and beyond, the ambulance wouldn't even take money from
her. I was there a few months after when they made their usual rounds asking for donations and the Mrs. gave with tears in her eyes telling what they
had done for her.
Mean people suck!
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