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Thanks DK. I've got to be careful as this pic was taken at Woody's secret sisters place. Thanks for the photoshop and repost.
No worries
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David K
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Notice, I said "gloomy" Pacific side!!!  
Bring on the sunshine and warm water... (Gulf of) California, here I come!
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Read in the paper this morning that Toyota sales were up 40% in March.
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Read in the paper Toyota fined 16 million for not coming forward with safety problems. Also Toyota executive sent email stating that Toyota needed to
come clean on the safety problems.
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David K
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Glad the great majority of Toyota owners will never have a problem... Have you seen the graph of car makes that shows the most reports of unintended
acceleration was reported by FORD owners?
Makes a difference on who gets showcased on the news if your labor union donated to your election or not!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Glad the great majority of Toyota owners will never have a problem... Have you seen the graph of car makes that shows the most reports of unintended
acceleration was reported by FORD owners?
Makes a difference on who gets showcased on the news if your labor union donated to your election or not! |
DK-I thought you said it was the floor mats?
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David K
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Floor Mats...
That was the 'recall' on my 2010 Tacoma... which was sold to me without floor mats... and the floor mat recall was only because of that San Diego
Lexus dealer's loaner car having TWO floor mats on the driver's side... which is what caused the pedal to get hung up and killed the family in Santee.
I took the mats out of my 2005 and put them in my 2010. There is nothing wrong with the factory supplied floor mats... but the clearance to the gas
pedal wasn't designed for two mats... duh!
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | | Makes a difference on who gets showcased on the news if your labor union donated to your election or not! |
 All toyota
plants in the US are non-unoin factories
Bob Durrell
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Glad the great majority of Toyota owners will never have a problem... Have you seen the graph of car makes that shows the most reports of unintended
acceleration was reported by FORD owners?
Makes a difference on who gets showcased on the news if your labor union donated to your election or not! |
Let's see, this is an AP story taken from your favorite fake news station and it explains why they were fined as much.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/04/07/toyota-warned-europe-accelerator-problem/
The scumbags at Toyota warned the dealers in Europe long before they came clean in the US----
So what labor union donated to Faux News, or surely they would not have reported it, right?
We still like our Toyota, but they are scumbags with little regard for human safety or life.
BTW---there might be 29 miners alive today if there had been a union to protect them from the "business decision" to pay fines for safety violations
rather than fix the problems.
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Makes a difference on who gets showcased on the news if your labor union donated to your election or not! |
All toyota
plants in the US are non-unoin factories |
Wasn't the plant in LA area union? It was a joint plant with GM they are closing. It made some Tacomas and corollas, I don't recall what the GM
vehicles were.
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | | Wasn't the plant in LA area union? It was a joint plant with GM they are closing. It made some Tacomas and corollas, I don't recall what the GM
vehicles were. |
 maybe
the GM employees were union
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
and the floor mat recall was only because of that San Diego Lexus dealer's loaner car having TWO floor mats on the driver's side
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That's simply not true.
"April 8 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp. knew about flaws that could cause unintended acceleration more than 3 1/2 years before it recalled cars
and trucks to fix the defects, according to company timelines.
Toyota, the world’s largest automaker, learned that floor mats could entrap accelerator pedals as early as Feb. 7, 2006, and that pedals could stick
five months later, according to documents dated March 24 that were submitted the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and obtained
today."
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-08/toyota-documents...
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David K
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There are other recalls, for other models... I was responding to the comment about the floor mat 'recall'. As for being more precise, this thread is
about Tacomas... no recalls on Tacomas other than the one to check that you have only the correct one factory floor mat correctly achored to the floor
hooks.
The 'unintended' acceleration that killed the CHP's family in Santee was not a Tacoma, and it was not his car, but a Lexus dealership loaner Lexus...
A previous customer had complained about the gas pedal getting caught on the mat... That Lexus dealer did nothing... It is THEY and not Toyota to
blame in that case. Take you anger out on the San Diego Lexus dealership responsible for have two floor mats on the driver's side and not correcting a
reported problem with that!
Until the facts were all in, Toyota immediately had all floor mats removed from all models! Talk about quick action until the fact of the case were
in!
I got my 2010 in December, it had no mats... I put my '05 mats in (they didn't care I took them out of my old truck, two days after I made the deal,
and probably wouldn't have used them anyway).
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Not to get in the middle of union bashing or Toyota corporate bashing ... I have a 2008 Tacoma, which was built at the joint Toyota-GM plant in
Fremont.
Great truck, with a bunch of highway and off road road miles in Baja. Like it better than my Ford.
It came with Toyota floor mats, securely anchored in place. When I got the recall, I called the dealer. When I said my mats seemed fine, and were
attached to the mounting clips, they said "You're OK, just don't put all-weather mats on top of the factory mats, they might not clear the
accellerator". Seems straight forward to me. I agree, this time, with David.
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NUMMI
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc. (NUMMI) was an automobile manufacturing plant in Fremont, California, opened in 1984 and closed in 2010. NUMMI
was established at the site of a former GM site that had been closed two years earlier. GM and Toyota reopened the factory as a joint venture in 1984
to manufacture vehicles to be sold under both brands.[1] GM pulled out of the venture in June 2009, and several months later Toyota announced plans to
pull out by March 2010.[2][3] At 9.40am on April 1, 2010, the plant produced its last car, a red Toyota Corolla S believed to be destined for a museum
in Japan,[4] and 4,500 people lost their jobs.[5][6]
GM saw the joint venture as an opportunity to learn about lean manufacturing from the Japanese company, while Toyota gained its first manufacturing
base in North America and a chance to implement its production system in an American labor environment.
During its lifetime, NUMMI built an average of 6000 vehicles a week, or nearly eight million cars and trucks.[5][6]
Facility
The plant spanned the equivalent of about 88 football fields, and was configured into a main building that does the final assembly of vehicles and
five facilities:
Plastics facility fabricating bumpers, instrument panels, interior panels, and others;
Stamping facility that fabricates all visible sheet metal parts;
Welding facility that assembles all metallic parts into one rigid unit; and
Two paint facilities, one for passenger vehicles and another for truck cabs.
Employees
At one point[when?]. employment was nearly 5,500 workers. NUMMI employees were represented by The International, United Automobile, Aerospace and
Agricultural Implement Workers of America (UAW) Local 2244.
Models produced
The first model NUMMI produced was the Chevrolet Nova (1984–1988). This was following by the Geo Prizm (1989–1997), the Chevrolet Prizm (1998–2002)
and the Hilux (1991–1995, predecessor of the Tacoma), as well as the Toyota Voltz, the Japanese right-hand drive version of the Pontiac Vibe. Both of
the latter are based on the Toyota Matrix.
Production of the Pontiac Vibe hatchback was discontinued in August 2009 as GM phased out the Pontiac brand.[7]
Beginning in September 2009, the NUMMI plant produced the Toyota Corolla compact car and Toyota Tacoma pickup truck.
History
Background
The factory which NUMMI took over was built by General Motors and operated by them from 1962 to 1982.[1] The idea of reopening the plant emerged out
of the need that GM had to build high-quality and profitable small cars and the need Toyota had to start building cars in the United States, a
requirement due to the possibility of import restrictions by the U.S. Congress.[5
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Icing on the cake... The worst made cars list is out!
The full story link:
http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/07/worst-made-cars-lifestyle-v...
(note the refrences to Toyota, in BOLD )
With a 22% improvement in sales last month, and despite the six-month, $4.3-billion loss it announced Wednesday, General Motors is likely to have its
strongest spring and summer in years. Plus, the automaker had critically acclaimed new products at the recent New York Auto Show and the
much-anticipated Chevrolet Volt is due out this fall.
Year-over-year sales of GM's Cadillac division alone are up almost 76%; sales in the Buick, Chevrolet and GMC divisions were each up more than 40% for
March. The industry as a whole was up 24.3%.
Unfortunately just because GM's cars are selling well now doesn't mean they're the best bet for durability or value--yet. It'll take awhile before
GM's new direction shows up in tangible new products at the dealership.
In Depth: Worst-Made Cars On The Road
Four of the seven vehicles on our list of the worst-made cars on the road come from GM brands. And all of the cars on the list--including Chrysler's
Dodge Nitro and Jeep Wrangler--are made by Detroit's Big Three. Only one car on the list is made by Ford Motor
Behind the Numbers
To determine our list of the worst-made cars on the road, we started with the lowest-rated vehicles from four reliability and performance studies
conducted this year. Those studies are all from Consumer Reports: The Most Reliable Cars Report; Best and Worst Values Report; Best and Worst Safety
Performance Survey; and the CR overall scores for 2010 vehicles.
We then added to the list any vehicles that received fewer than three out of five power circles in this year's Vehicle Dependability Study from J.D.
Power and Associates. Any car, truck or SUV named among the worst in at least three of those five total studies made the final cut to be on the
"Worst-Made" list.
The biggest surprise on the list, given recent automotive news: It includes NO TOYOTA made vehicles. In fact, Toyota reported a 40.7%
gain in sales last month over March 2009; its Lexus division was up 42%. (Generous buyer incentives greatly contributed to those numbers.) And
although Consumer Reports has removed its "recommended pick" distinction from Toyota vehicles involved in the current recall, many analysts are
standing by their previous assessments of Toyota's well-made products.
"Toyota and Lexus both were fairly steady on their quality" in the dependability report released last month, says Dave Sargent, J.D. Power's vice
president of global vehicle research. "Toyota has both good quality and a high consumer perception of their quality--so Toyota is
very much in line."
GM's Chevrolet hasn't fared as well. Overall sales at Chevrolet are up, but sales of the $16,985 Chevrolet Colorado were down 21.9% year-over-year.
Sales of the truck are down 32.2% for the year to date.
The $11,965 Chevrolet Aveo made our list too--but probably won't in the very near future. When the 2012 Aveo comes out next year, it'll feature
styling improvements (large vents in the front, 19'' wheels, circular headlights) and performance upgrades (likely a 1.4-liter, four-cylinder
turbo-boosted engine with 138 horsepower and a six-speed manual transmission). Early photos and speculation from experts like Jake Fisher, the senior
automotive engineer at Consumer Reports, indicate it'll hold its own against Nissan's ( NSANY - news - people ) Versa and Honda's ( HMC - news -
people ) Fit--two reliable, affordable, strong sellers.
Tough Trucks?
Aside from the Aveo, though, most of the worst-made cars on our list aren't cars at all--they're trucks and SUVs. Besides the Colorado, GMC's $16,985
Canyon and Ford's $28,020 F-250 received some of the lowest scores of any vehicles we considered. The Canyon SLE, for instance, was listed by Consumer
Reports as one of the worst values of any 2010 vehicle and as one of the least reliable new vehicles on the market this year. It received just two out
of five power circles on J.D. Power's overall dependability rating.
The F-250 Lariat earned both the "worst value" and "worst safety performance" distinctions from Consumer Reports this year. It received an overall
score of just 37 out of 100 points for predicted reliability, fuel economy, depreciation, ride, owner costs, accident avoidance, front-seat comfort,
acceleration and owner satisfaction.
But in the past they have fallen behind in engineering upgrades and safety improvements, because automakers focus on improving "family-oriented"
vehicles first, says Russ Rader, a director at the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. "They're just being updated at a slower rate."
Jamie Hresko, the vice president of global quality for General Motors, says that’s not the case anymore--and consumers can expect to see tangible
changes as soon as they get in the car.
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So???? Even if they were the best built cars and trucks ever, the owners are still scumbags and their behavior indefensible.
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This topic has become cumbersome.
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--------personality clashes are getting old, too. Somewhere back in this thread were very decent and honest non-hate-filled posts about the subject
at hand by the very folks that somehow can't contain themselves when directly responding to those they don't like-------very tedious and time
consuming, for the rest of us, tho.
 
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
--------personality clashes are getting old, too. Somewhere back in this thread were very decent and honest non-hate-filled posts about the subject
at hand by the very folks that somehow can't contain themselves when directly responding to those they don't like-------very tedious and time
consuming, for the rest of us, tho.
Barry |
If you are referring to my last post, it seriously had nothing to do with my complete lack of respect for any individual. It had to do with the
defending of the scumbags with reports of how good the vehicles are.
There are others around here that I consider friends and they disagree with me over this one---that is OK.
But while some will continue to think that what happened was political, and Toyota was wronged, I will continue to believe that the owners are
scumbags with little or no regard for human life, safety, nor concern for the consumer. It is not just the latest incident, but we personally have
been affected by something that should have been recalled, and was not-----twice in the last few years.
So, we still enjoy our Toyotas for now, but will probably not buy another one in the future.
But as Cypress said, it is now cumbersome and should die----it is running in a circle.
And you are definitely entitled to your opinion about what has happened, as is everyone.
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