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bajabass
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Sorry, threadjack over. I had given thought to a little "taking my friends out" fishing venture upon my arrival to BCS. After a year of trying to
learn a new fishery, and seeing how many locals are out of work at the ramps and beaches, I'm not even thinking about it at all.
Legit or not, I don't want to do anything here to adversly affect the locals. I don't "need" the money badly enough to give up the smiles from my
neighbors and budding friendships amongst the locals.
Comparing disgruntled locals and likeminded gringos NOB is apples and oranges. Most gringo complainers NOB don't want their kids, let alone
themselves doing the jobs most immigrants are filling. The gringos SOB ARE taking customers and clients from local fisherman lined up every day
looking for work, and lodging/feeding people while the restaraunts and hotels are dying on the vine. JMHO
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
Most gringo complainers NOB don't want their kids, let alone themselves doing the jobs most immigrants are filling. |
I deeply wish that someone with credentials and resources would study the claim, "Immigrants are doing the jobs citizens don't want to do," and give
a definitive, qualified and thorough appraisel of that statement.
Are immigrants taking jobs away from our kids, and others? Who would be tending to Duke's Paddle Boards if they were on the beach today?
It's strange, to me, that for all the times I've heard that claim, no one has stood up with a strong rebuttal backed by real numbers. If they have, I
haven't seen or heard it.
Or, perhaps it's true.
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[Edited on 11-21-2011 by DENNIS]
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bajabass
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Sorry Dennis, I have neither! I have never seen a crew of white kids hanging out in the Home Depot parking lot though. Nary a one at the local
carwash. Check out a McDonalds or Taco Bell. Though In-N-Out does hire lots of gringo kids, they start at way above minimum wage I've heard.
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If the govt. wasn't paying citizens not to work they'd work. Why work when you don't have to?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
If the govt. wasn't paying citizens not to work they'd work. Why work when you don't have to? |
Yeah....this is sad. It seems to be going on indefinitly. It's turning out that unemployment has more value than a college education.
Gawwwdammmm.....what happened to our country? Where did we go so wrong?
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| Quote: | Dennis: Are immigrants taking jobs away from our kids, and others?
It's strange, to me, that for all the times I've heard that claim, no one has stood up with a strong rebuttal backed by real numbers. If they have, I
haven't seen or heard it.
Or, perhaps it's true.
O.G.: When I was farming avocados I had use for laborers on a weekly basis. Where would I get them? Why, at the local Home Depot of course. However,
when I observed the potential pool of laborers, not a single one was a gringo -- ALL were Hispanic. All the poor, homeless downtrodden gringos were at
the freeway on/off ramps with cardboard signs begging, instead. No Hispanics begging! So, I would side with the camp that says illegals are taking
jobs that the gringos don't want.
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Wow! This thread really morphed far away from its original topic.
Getting back to what is happening in Loreto, my two cents is that Fonatur is to blame. The fact that they "christened" Loreto as the next big thing
created a rush to real estate and business ownership among those NOB.
In my opinion, Loreto never had a chance to be the next Cabo or Cancun for a number of reasons. A primary reason is that it has a harsh climate. It's
godawful hot and humid in the summer and not a whole lot warmer than the US Southwest in the winter.
Do not get me wrong, in that I have a great deal of affection for Loreto, having visited for decades. But, I just don't really see it being a major
player in the Mexico tourism world. Sometimes smaller is better.
It is certainly true that the dearth of tourism to Mexico is a factor in the current woes of Loreto. But, as I said, I just think too many
opportunistic folks thought this was going to be the next big thing.
It is going to be interesting to see what level of success the Villas Group property achieves down at Ensenada Blanca. As I've previously mentioned,
its remoteness from town ensures that it will not create much of a boost to the Loreto economy.
However, with their mega-bucks, they did build that Hotel Santa Fe on Salvatiera. Gotta wonder how the family that runs Hacienda Suites on the next
block feels about the corporate competition.
And, as for all that banter about educating Mexican kids, who legally cross, you guys need to get a life.
Just as the quick and dirty answer to the Loreto problem is more tourism, same can be said by folks in the US who accuse Mexicans and other immigrants
of taking American jobs. Fact is Wall Street and the filthy rich captains of industry have set the US on a course of becoming a serfdom third world
nation by shipping what were good paying jobs, wholesale, overseas as not so good paying jobs.
We've had decades of developing a generation of folks who believe that America's future is not about labor. It's about trading stock, bonds,
commodities, Etc. We don't need to make anything. We just need to control the finance behind it.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by O.G.
All the poor, homeless downtrodden gringos were at the freeway on/off ramps with cardboard signs begging, instead. |
Ohhhh.....there isn't that much cardboard in the whole world.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
Sorry, threadjack over. I had given thought to a little "taking my friends out" fishing venture upon my arrival to BCS. After a year of trying to
learn a new fishery, and seeing how many locals are out of work at the ramps and beaches, I'm not even thinking about it at all.
Legit or not, I don't want to do anything here to adversly affect the locals. I don't "need" the money badly enough to give up the smiles from my
neighbors and budding friendships amongst the locals.
Comparing disgruntled locals and likeminded gringos NOB is apples and oranges. Most gringo complainers NOB don't want their kids, let alone
themselves doing the jobs most immigrants are filling. The gringos SOB ARE taking customers and clients from local fisherman lined up every day
looking for work, and lodging/feeding people while the restaraunts and hotels are dying on the vine. JMHO |
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!
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-Nikola Tesla
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
Sorry, threadjack over. I had given thought to a little "taking my friends out" fishing venture upon my arrival to BCS. After a year of trying to
learn a new fishery, and seeing how many locals are out of work at the ramps and beaches, I'm not even thinking about it at all.
Legit or not, I don't want to do anything here to adversly affect the locals. I don't "need" the money badly enough to give up the smiles from my
neighbors and budding friendships amongst the locals.
Comparing disgruntled locals and likeminded gringos NOB is apples and oranges. Most gringo complainers NOB don't want their kids, let alone
themselves doing the jobs most immigrants are filling. The gringos SOB ARE taking customers and clients from local fisherman lined up every day
looking for work, and lodging/feeding people while the restaraunts and hotels are dying on the vine. JMHO |
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!! |
I think that this sort of self regulation is the only way these sorts of conflicts can be resolved.
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bajabass
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I would be very worried if I were running a business under the table in Baja. I've heard the consequences can be confiscation of property and
deportation. Those above board businesses need only worry about local opinion and possible retaliation. I just prefer to blend into my new home, not
try to take it by storm.
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
I had given thought to a little "taking my friends out" fishing venture upon my arrival to BCS. After a year of trying to learn a new fishery, and
seeing how many locals are out of work at the ramps and beaches, I'm not even thinking about it at all.
Legit or not, I don't want to do anything here to adversly affect the locals. |
However, you have no problem in adversely affecting your "friends" by forcing them to dig into their pockets and hire a panga to fish when you have a
boat. I just assume you really have no friends, at least not anymore. The term for your condition is called "Stockholm Syndrome."
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greengoes
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
My first job..................
Pulling Paddle Boards up on the beach and washing off the sand to prepare them for the next rental at Duke's Paddle Board Stand in Balboa, right in
front of Stan's Gangplank, a beer bar on the Bay. It was right when the war ended and a happier bunch of people I've never seen since.
Anyway....I worked for a hamburger and soda a day. That was my introduction to the big time.  |
Was that the Mexican-American War or WWI ?
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bajabass
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Wrong, I have a few that take me out on their boats!!! I do believe you may
have a condition though.
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I deeply wish that someone with credentials and resources would study the claim, "Immigrants are doing the jobs citizens don't want to do," and give
a definitive, qualified and thorough appraisel of that statement. |
You people are asking the wrong question. There are plenty of legal immigrants around to take those jobs. Legal immigrants have been vetted by the
immigration process, proved they have no police record, no active case of tuberculosis and they have legitimate social security numbers which will
allow them to collect social security when they retire.
The issue is ILLEGAL immigrants who are taking jobs from LEGAL immigrants. Every time a business is raided by ICE and the illegal workers carted off,
the company is back in business the next day with legal workers to replace the illegals. If all ILLEGAL workers were to disappear tomorrow, the
unemployment rate would be cut in half. Not only that, the wages of the LEGAL workers would rise to a living wage.
ILLEGAL workers are the parasites that suck the jobs away from the legal workers, be they morenos or queros.
On September 13, 2011, Escondido Disposal Inc. fired more than 50 of its roughly 200 employees after a federal immigration audit found those workers
lacked the documents required for jobs in the United States. The very next day, all of those workers were replaced with legal workers. So 50 jobs were
created for legal residents of the US. Escondido Disposal obviously had no problem finding 50 people overnight willing to collect garbage.
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_34b39224...
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Islandbuilder
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A local here purposely built a home with no guest accomodations, and had a boat whose guest bunk was in the engine room. That avoided the awkward
moments when someone wanted to come for a summer cruise, or a long visit. If it was someone they wanted to hang out with, they put their guests up at
a local B&B, or chartered a bare boat so they could go on a cruise together.
Perhaps building a more modest retirement place, with only one guest room for family, and a boat big enough for you and a friend, but not you and 5
friends?
For the record, this goes against my enjoyment of offering hospitality to all who seek it, but it may keep things less tense around the community.
I agree that we can take this too far, the Stockholm Syndrome comment is spot on for some of us. I also think that there would still be tension
between some locals and some gringos, because that's the way people are, and nothing we do or don't do will fix it. Except giving up our homes and
dreams and scuttling off.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
You people are asking the wrong question. |
Yes. You're correct. Sometimes, after years of addressing the "illegal" issue, the term seems superfluous.
In the interest of accuracy, I'll keep this in mind.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
If the govt. wasn't paying citizens not to work they'd work. Why work when you don't have to? |
Yeah....this is sad. It seems to be going on indefinitly. It's turning out that unemployment has more value than a college education.
Gawwwdammmm.....what happened to our country? Where did we go so wrong? |
It went wrong when millions bought into the idea of hope and change without any means to pay for it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
Most gringo complainers NOB don't want their kids, let alone themselves doing the jobs most immigrants are filling. |
I deeply wish that someone with credentials and resources would study the claim, "Immigrants are doing the jobs citizens don't want to do," and give
a definitive, qualified and thorough appraisel of that statement.
Are immigrants taking jobs away from our kids, and others? Who would be tending to Duke's Paddle Boards if they were on the beach today?
It's strange, to me, that for all the times I've heard that claim, no one has stood up with a strong rebuttal backed by real numbers. If they have, I
haven't seen or heard it.
Or, perhaps it's true.
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[Edited on 11-21-2011 by DENNIS] |
I don't know if this is "definitive" but this link gives a firsthand view of what growers are up against. I know this man and he is a quality person
who does right by his employees and just wants to have a workable system.
http://calcoastnews.com/2011/10/we-need-a-commonsense-guest-...
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How do you compete with what UI is paying?
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
OR, put all the welfare and unemployed workers in those jobs???  |
The California Employment Development Department (EDD) determines your weekly benefit amount by dividing your earnings for the highest paid quarter of
the base period by 26, up to a maximum of $450 per week.
Benefits are available for up to 26 weeks. If you are still unemployed when your regular state benefits run out, you may be eligible for Emergency
Unemployment Compensation (EUC) and/or state extended benefits. These additional programs -- which were enacted to help those who became unemployed
during the recession that began in 2008 -- currently provide up to 73 weeks of additional benefits
Bob Durrell
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