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wilderone
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"Being 60-80 years of age had something to do with what happened ... "
I don't think so. Supposedly they were "experienced" kayakers - but is certainily a relative term. Maybe that means they putzed around a lot on
sit-on-tops in fair weather. Did they practice rescues together? An experienced kayaker would certainly know the weather forecast for the day; would
recognize the first sign of that "refreshing breeze" as a warning that white caps will very soon follow, and that breeze may become a headwind to
fight. What time of day did they start paddling? And many other considerations come into play, but rather cruel to analyze in hindsight. Obviously,
their past experience was not enough to survive that day.
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Skipjack Joe
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Can any of you kayakers postulate what the end was like?
Since a kayak is non submersible why didn't they just hold on And ride it out to shore.
I know the area well from an luminum boat. Much safer but you get a wet ride coming home. Always stay close to shore. That's where the fish are
anyway.
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woody with a view
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my nightmare scenario is the wind came up and flipped one or both. by the time they surfaced the kayak was 5 feet away and blowing farther each second
while they watched.....
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Cypress
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Suicide by drowning?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I sold my tandem kayak w/life preservers, seats, paddles, everything. My Wife can't swim, and reading this confirms that I made the right decision in
selling the stuff. |
seems the more useful solution would have been to teach your wife to swim. enroll her at the Y. or teach her yourself. everyone should know how to
swim.
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EnsenadaDr
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GPS/SOS wristwatches??
Should be some waterproof wristwatches or devices with SOS/distress signal capabilities available.. | Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
my nightmare scenario is the wind came up and flipped one or both. by the time they surfaced the kayak was 5 feet away and blowing farther each second
while they watched..... |
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woody with a view
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a flare gun comes to mind.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
a flare gun comes to mind. |
---------and teathers, from person to kayak---sooooo important.
If there is anything positive from tragedies like this, it is that we who are still here re-assess our safty requirements, and hopefully avoid this
type of accident in the future.
Barry
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EnsenadaDr
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Flare gun in Mexico??
They might start shooting back..asking questions later...sounds more and more to me like, "Triangulo de Los Huerfanitos"... | Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
a flare gun comes to mind. |
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Should be some waterproof wristwatches or devices with SOS/distress signal capabilities available.. | Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
my nightmare scenario is the wind came up and flipped one or both. by the time they surfaced the kayak was 5 feet away and blowing farther each second
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Would anyone respond in baja?
Only members of the group you came with could help. This isn't like kayaking on Lake Mead. You take risks. I came close to doing us in at crossing the
channel at S Francisquito this summer. You come back sshaking with fear. Was not prepared so I pressed on instead of staying on the island,
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woody with a view
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glad you made it Bud! perhaps you got lucky but i prefer to think some skill was involved....
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MrBillM
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A Perfect Storm
Of Controversy.
Since the ONLY two who can know what actually happened are GONE, free-streaming conjecture concerning the circumstances is uninhibited and,
therefore, can be shaped to whatever each individual sees as the paramount lesson.
Replete with lessons to be learned and helpful "suggestions" for avoidance.
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bajaguy
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SPOT Would
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Would anyone respond in baja?
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Worldwide:
http://www.findmespot.com/en/
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Terry28
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For the second time in recent memory I agree with Mr. Bill. We will never know what happened.
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Skipjack Joe
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Both luck and skill.
I entered the channel with some wind. Then the waves got bigger. Barely could handle them. It was important to ride them diagonally whenever possible.
But when large ones came straight on you have to go directly into them or be overturned. They came frequently always ending in a bone jarring crash,
but no leakage. Well, twice large waves and the boat failed to respond. It would not turn into them. We were hit broadside butdid not flip over.
That's where the luck came in. I subsequently figure it out. By having Alex sit at the very front of the boat it became less maneuverable, difficult
to turn. And we almost paid for that mistake with our lives.
Bedo was amazed when he saw me coming in, He was petrified with fear. His comment. Either you have a good boat or a very skilled. A 14'2" Gregor.
nothing more.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Both luck and skill.
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Nice to see you back posting, Igor. We worried about you.
[this doesn't qualify as a hijacking. I looked it up.]
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Both luck and skill.
I subsequently figure it out. By having Alex sit at the very front of the boat it became less maneuverable, difficult to turn.
Either you have a good boat or a very skilled. A 14'2" Gregor. nothing more. |
best lesson i've heard in a long time! see Bill, if you look and WANT to learn something. tidbits like this could save even you. 
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bacquito
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Thanks for the comments regarding best times to Kayak in the SOC.
bacquito
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EnsenadaDr
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Anyone home???
Maybe the neighbors or relatives at the Camp would come..and at least if you were stranded someone might know where you were...the Mexican search
teams were on it pretty fast... | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Should be some waterproof wristwatches or devices with SOS/distress signal capabilities available.. | Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
my nightmare scenario is the wind came up and flipped one or both. by the time they surfaced the kayak was 5 feet away and blowing farther each second
while they watched..... |
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Would anyone respond in baja?
Only members of the group you came with could help. This isn't like kayaking on Lake Mead. You take risks. I came close to doing us in at crossing the
channel at S Francisquito this summer. You come back sshaking with fear. Was not prepared so I pressed on instead of staying on the island,
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MrBillM
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Learning Something
After years of sailing in the Caribbean, the Gulf of Mexico, the Pacific and the Sea of Cortez, I've Learned LOTS.
AND, I survived each lesson.
As, obviously, others haven't.
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