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mtgoat666
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The seas are now rising much faster than they did in the past, largely due to climate change, which accelerates thermal expansion and melts glaciers
and ice caps.
Sea levels rose an average of 8 inches between 1880 and 2009, or about 0.06 inches per year.
But in the last 20 years, sea levels have risen an average of 0.13 inches per year -- about twice as fast.
And it's only getting worse. NOAA has laid out four different projections for estimated sea level rise by 2100.
The agency's best-case scenario assumes that sea levels will rise at least 8.4 inches by the end of this century.
NOAA's worst-case scenario predicts that the oceans will rise nearly 7 feet in the next 86 years.
will it be 8.4 inches or 7 ft? will it be 0.1 inches/year or 0.9 inches/year?
stick your head in the sand, don't worry, be happy!
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In a HUNDRED years ?
OK, we'll agree to start worrying in 75.
Promise.
Good enough ?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
when the climate scientists can explain why sea levels were 8 feet higher and CO2 was 25 percent higher than present in the last interglacial optimum
( the Late Pleistocene Eemian, similar to the phase we're currently in) while humans had essentially no footprint yet, I'll be interested.
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These reasons are proposed in the 2 references provided:
Volcanic emissions of co2.
Destabilized methane hydrates on continental shelves.
Release of carbon from Antarctic permafrost and peat.
Different earth orbital parameters.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1211/1211.4846.pdf
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/97PA02550/pdf
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I often read/hear the argument or at least the implication that if global warming happened before without man's influence, then the hypothesis that it
is man-made today is incorrect. But that conclusion doesn't follow from the premise. To put it it another way, it's gobbledegook.
Also, the earth's atmosphere is a paper thin shell around the earth as the excellent video wessongroup provided a link to above and repeated below
demonstrates. It's quite possible that since the beginning of the industrial revolution man has pumped enough carbon into it to cause a warming
greenhouse effect.
Take a look, notice the atmosphere from space as the astronauts see it.
http://www.upworthy.com/some-strange-things-are-happening-to...
[Edited on 5-19-2014 by SFandH]
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Thanks for the links SFand H...what I've read so far is interesting...
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Glad you mentioned "Late Pleistocene Eemian" I've never heard of it. Now I know how to find out about previous warming periods. Those papers are
complicated. According to Google search, they've been cited by other researchers as sources.
One paper mentioned the release of carbon from permafrost as it thawed. I've read about fears of that accelerating this warming.
[Edited on 5-20-2014 by SFandH]
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Up until the 60's it was acceptable to dump waste into rivers because fresh water would clean all the waste away.
Up until the 80's we were told that having smoke in your lungs had no effect at all, just as good for you as if it wasn't there.
And now were are told that 100s of years of burning of fossil fuels has no impact on the planet. The same as if it didn't occur at all.
We can't seem to understand the concept of cause and effect.
[Edited on 5-20-2014 by Skipjack Joe]
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Good stuff ... and speaking of good stuff
They have the 1.2 mile "ice wall" up at the site ... we shall see
Interesting numbers though ...
Tons 400 per day or:
Tons to pounds = 400 x 2,200 = 880,000 pounds
Gallons = 880,000/8= 110,000 gallons per day
Days since event … 3/11/11 ... little over three years
Stored on site 436,000 tons
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Japanese+nuclear+power+plant...
365 x 400x 3= 438,000 tons, of total water flow through and/or under the site
Based on disclosed information, it would appear only 2,000 Tons have been released into the ocean and/or the environment
If one wishes to believe the reported numbers …
"The plant’s operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co., acknowledged in July that contaminated underground water has been flowing into the ocean for some
time, soon after the crisis began."
They have the “Ice wall” up …. and expect to get a handle on it …. in the next 40 plus years
If it didn't hit us ... I'm happy, at this time ... however, will wait for the final on this one .... as long as I'm around 
[Edited on 5-20-2014 by wessongroup]
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A Missed Education Opportunity
Well, delayed.
I offered to take mi esposa to see Godzilla so that we could update our information on the situation, BUT ..................
All except one showing (at a bad time) in 3D.
After seeing one such months ago (against my better judgement), I vowed NEVER AGAIN.
She'll have to wait for PPV.
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We gave 3-D a shot for the movie Green Hornet a couple years ago... never again... I can't believe one would go through a couple of hours long movie
wearing those glasses for a few moments of 'affect'...  The content of the movie
and special effects is more important to us than some brief thrills. Maybe when they figure out how to make it 3-D without the glasses and false
colors we will try it again?
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Heard it was really pretty good .... as Godzilla movies go
Can't wait for Megalon along with all those other characters used by the Japanese in their early Godzilla franchise ... endless entertainment
IMHO
Will also be waiting for the online version, or, maybe the Blue-ray/3D
Not to enthralled about 3D ... various quite a bit on movies and games
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And lets hope the there is no contamination in the pole dancers pole! since we are talking about gene pools. Oh thats pools. got things mixed up
again
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"I believe, must temper what we see and hear from Scientists with skepticism less we gallop down divergent roads in utter chaos and confusion when
reviewed in the final reality of time."
Think that response, is much of what other scientists have faced through out history ... Ya know like .... Galileo ... et al
Agree with keeping it on the high road 
We may disagree, but, no need to get in the "dirt"
Just think the "goal" setting by "management" is off the mark on these issue big time and their input isn't really needed ...
What are all scientist unable to make an informed decision ... only Business Management (MBA's and CEO's) can make a call which is to the benefit of
the "people" ... NOT scientists ... In a Pig's Eye
Think the confusion on Management's part over health and environmental issues ... is to a large degree a lack of fundamental knowledge in science and
the motivation of 18% triple net
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It gives me a 'glowing personality', you should try it!
Seriously, why can't anyone on you way of seeing the world respond to the OP (original post) without dragging my observation into it?
Seaweed from ***ushima is free of deadly radiation: Comment???
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are too: Do you deny this simple statement of truth or must you constantly sidebar into the never never to distract and
confuse???
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A. Socrates is a man.
B. All men are mortal.
C. All men are Socrates.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
First radiation is tolerable because Hiroshima and Nagasaki are flourishing. What about the first 5,10,20 years. Do they count for anything?
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Many tens of thousands dead, many more maimed or afflicted with cancer later,...
But in DK world, all is good, ya sure, you betcha! Nuclear war is good economic stimulus!
[Edited on 5-29-2014 by mtgoat666]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
A. Socrates is a man.
B. All men are mortal.
C. All men are Socrates. |
That does not track---------A & B do, but C is not connected.
What does that have to do with what David says----------you lost me there. David's comments track with me------how come they don't track with you?
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
A. Socrates is a man.
B. All men are mortal.
C. All men are Socrates. |
That does not track---------A & B do, but C is not connected.
What does that have to do with what David says----------you lost me there. David's comments track with me------how come they don't track with you?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
A. Socrates is a man.
B. All men are mortal.
C. All men are Socrates. |
That does not track---------A & B do, but C is not connected.
What does that have to do with what David says----------you lost me there. David's comments track with me------how come they don't track with you?
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It is a classic and it was so spot on.
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Ten things I have learned on BN:
1. Al Gore invented global warming
Must say finding much entertainment and some hearty laughs on this thread  
SOS
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
It gives me a 'glowing personality', you should try it!
Seriously, why can't anyone on you way of seeing the world respond to the OP (original post) without dragging my observation into it?
Seaweed from ***ushima is free of deadly radiation: Comment???
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are too: Do you deny this simple statement of truth or must you constantly sidebar into the never never to distract and
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Your ongoing ignorance is displayed once again. The comments made by you continue to be the example used to call you out on your ignorance. You
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You do realize that the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki rebuilt in the same place... Deadly Radiation isn't forever... as popular belief thinks.
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Stand up and deal with real facts yourself. Yes, everyone knows that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rebuilt. Yes, we know that the Kelp beds are not
currently contaminated by ***ushima. We also know that:
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Fat Man and Little Boy Dropped by the Enola Gay on Hiroshima on August 6, 1945, Little Boy was a uranium- fueled bomb about 10 feet long and just
over two feet across, that held 140 pounds of uranium and weighed nearly 10,000 pounds. When he exploded as planned nearly 2000 feet above Hiroshima,
about two pounds of uranium underwent nuclear fission as it released nearly 16 kilotons of explosive force. Since Hiroshima was on a plain, Little Boy
caused immense damage. Estimates vary but it is believed that approximately 70,000 people were killed and an equal number were injured on that day,
and nearly 70% of the city’s buildings were destroyed. Since then, approximately 1,900 people, or about 0.5% of the post-bombing population, are
believed to have died from cancers attributable to Little Boy’s radiation release. Squat and round, Fat Man, so named for its resemblance to Kasper
Gutman from The Maltese Falcon, was dropped three days later on the city of Nagasaki on August 9, 1945. About two pounds of Fat Man’s 14 pounds of
plutonium fissioned when it detonated about 1,650 feet above Nagasaki, releasing 21 kilotons of explosive force. Because the bomb exploded in a
valley, much of the city was protected from the blast. Nonetheless, it is estimated that between 45,000 and 70,000 died immediately, and another
75,000 were injured. No data on subsequent cancer deaths attributable to radiation exposure from the bomb is readily available.
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Your statement belittles those effects and deaths, IMHO and you need to own up.
Additionally, your follow up statement that Deadly Radiation isn't forever is remarkably stupid since we do know that Chernobyl and ***ushima are
contaminated with very long half life radiation in relatively huge quantities. We also know that the ***ushima contamination is continuing to poison
our biosphere. When you admit how wrong you are, I'll stop picking on you.....But you really make such a large easy target that it will be
difficult..
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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