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I think this might also work well in Baja. the US Navy is interested in both.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070913-burni...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
....... Enbridge has apparently met the testing expectations (basic minimum???) and he has been laid off. My friend said there has been a 50% failure
rate on pipeline welds (40-50 year old pipelines). |
....ohh,,mannnnn...you're not 'appeasing' my trust issues!   |
I know several communities in Wyoming and Colorado that are dealing with fracking issues just like this one....trust is not on the agenda.....hold
them to their contracts and verify.....
| Quote: | More fracking produces more open waste pits
by David Martin Davies Tuesday, October 14, 2014 - 14:40
The United States is on the verge of becoming the world’s top producer of oil, according to the International Energy Agency. But the oil boom is also
leading to a boom in toxic oil field waste that can end up in open pit disposal sites. There are increasing concerns over the dangers these disposal
sites pose for air quality. All energy producing states have to deal with an ever-escalating amount of waste. In Wyoming, there are 35 commercial
waste pits and permits pending on six more. North Dakota shipped 1.75 million tons of oil and gas waste to landfills in 2013. And, while Colorado -
like North Dakota - has been tightening regulations on the waste water resulting from drilling operations, the state's solid waste pits are still left
uncovered. None of these states have conducted studies to determine if the air coming off pits is safe. A recent investigation in Texas by
InsideClimate News and the Center for Public Integrity uncovered a troublesome gap in oversight by state and federal regulators over these giant pools
of oil field muck. That problem is clear in the situation facing the residents of Nordheim, Texas, a town of 300 people about 75 miles southeast of
San Antonio. Farmers and ranchers gathered recently at the old dance hall there to organize against what they see as an environmental threat to their
town.
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There have been multiple spills here in Utah into the city(Red Butte) and into adjacent wilderness areas.....but then folks who've never been to
wilderness areas don't seem to mind either.....all good if you live in a concrete jungle anyway.....but that does mean you are
downstream.....especially those in drought starved Cali.......
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It is unknown how much of the oil entered the river, which is the largest tributary to the Colorado River, the main source of drinking water for about
35 million people. It is also the habitat of four endangered fish species.
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Willful ignorance remains willful and ignorant.....
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When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
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I'm surprised "Gasland" documentary hasn't been mentioned yet. Won an Academy Award in 2011 for best documentary. I suggest finding it, and watching
it. I have a CD copy I watch at least a couple of times a season, and loaned it to a friend who at the time was in Canadian politics battling the Big
Guys and fracking in Alberta. Great film.
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It was mentioned in one of the links... full of false stories.
EDIT to add link, one article... plenty more if you search.
From a link off a site DT posted: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2013/09/10/frackin...
Here is what's in there if you won't open it:
A colleague asked me the other day why I refer to Gasland filmmaker Josh Fox as a “modern day carnival barker”. I quickly realized the reason
for the question: This fellow is only about 30 and doesn’t know what a carnival barker is, or better put, used to be. I sometimes forget how old
I’ve gotten to be, so I suppose an explanation is in order.
Those of us of advanced enough years remember back in the days when the traveling carnival would periodically come to town. In the little town where
I grew up, they’d set up their tents and rides on the old rodeo grounds on the West side of town, with a midway bisecting the affair. In the midway
there would always be a guy with a booming voice shouting things like “Step right up, folks! Come see the Bearded Lady! Come marvel at the Wildman
of Borneo!” and so on, and so forth.
So you’d pay your quarter to get into the House of Oddities – more rudely known as the freak show – and it would quickly become obvious that the
“Bearded Lady” was actually some big, burly guy wearing eye liner and a cheap dress, and the “Wild Man of Borneo” was actually some guy they’d paid
ten bucks to put on a grass skirt, wave a club around and shriek unintelligible gibberish. In other words, upon closer inspection it became clear
that the images you were seeing were sort of real, but actually not what they were claimed to be by the Carnival CCL +0.81% Barker, i.e., they were
fake.
This is what Josh Fox does for a living – he is in the process of becoming wealthy by making films that contain images that are sort of real, but
actually not what he represents them to be. In other words, he’s a modern day Carnival Barker.
Take the first Gasland film as a prime example. The main visual from that film used in almost all promotional ads about it and re-aired endlessly by
a very compliant national news media is of a man in Colorado lighting his kitchen water faucet on fire. In the film’s narrative, our erstwhile
Carnival Barker links this to hydraulic fracturing operations that had recently begun in the general area. But just as in the House of Oddities, the
truth about the image is significantly different than the Barker had led his audience to believe.
The truth is that folks in that area of Colorado have been able to light their water faucets on fire since human beings first began settling in the
area and drilling water wells into the shallow aquifer beneath the ground, which happens to sit directly above a coal seam, and thus is filled with
substantial amounts of naturally occurring methane gas that migrates up from the coal along with the water. Colorado regulators investigated and
certified that this compelling image presented by Gasland had literally nothing at all to do with hydraulic fracturing or any other oil and gas
development activities in that area.
The recently-released sequel, Gasland II, presents a similar, seemingly compelling image of a man in Parker County, Texas who has the amazing ability
to light the spout of his garden hose on fire. Again, our modern day Carnival Barker leads the viewer to believe that this frightful scenario was
made possible by “fracking” operations in he area. And again, the truth is something else entirely.
You see, this image was demonstrated in a Texas District Court proceeding not long ago to have been a fraud, with the evidence showing the garden hose
had actually been attached to the home’s gas supply outlet rather than a water faucet. State regulators similarly affirmed that is was not due to
nearby gas drilling. Just another House of Oddities-like illusion designed to take advantage of the gullible and ignorant among us.
Phelim McAleer, maker of the film FrackNation, recently exposed the fact that even Fox’s claimed reason for wanting to make his anti-Fracking film in
the first place was a fraud. Fox’s narrative in the opening seconds of Gasland goes as follows:
One day I got a letter in the mail. It was from a natural gas company. The letter told me that my land was on top of a formation that was called the
Marcellus Shale which stretched across Pennsylvania…New York…Ohio…and West Virginia and that the Marcellus shale was the Saudi Arabia of natural gas.
I could lease my land to this company and I would receive a signing bonus of $4,750 an acre. Having 19.5 acres that was nearly $100,000…right there in
my hand. Could it be that easy?
Well, yeah, for folks who actually got such a letter in the mail, it potentially could be that easy. The trouble is, as McAleer clearly exposes in
FrackNation, our favorite Carnival Barker never received the letter he claims in the film to have gotten in the mail. When confronted about this one
of many falsehoods in a recent radio interview in Aspen, Colorado, the Barker refused to answer on the air. Subsequent investigations revealed that
Fox’s gas lease story was likely manufactured entirely.
The other main trait of the Carnival Barker is that, even though he knows what he is doing is at best misleading and at worse patently dishonest, he
has no sense of shame or remorse, and keeps going to town after town, repeating the same cynical process all over again for the next audience of
gullible schlubs. True to his Barker heritage, Mr. Fox also bears this unfortunate trait, as he continues to present these false narratives to
audience after audience, reporter after reporter, witless C-list celebrity after witless C-list celebrity, potential funder (like HBO and the Park
Foundation) after potential funder, even though he is fully aware of the deceit.
One supposes that everyone has a right to make a living in the manner in which they choose, even if it amounts to shaking down the unsuspecting
segments of our society. But that doesn’t mean anyone is required to admire it, and it doesn’t mean that any of us should mince words about the true
nature of the undertaking.
He’s a Carnival Barker, and nothing more. What he peddles in his films is as dishonest as the illusions in the House of Oddities.
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... so did they take his Academy Award away??
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And, speaking of CARNIVAL BARKERS, got your name in the hat yet? Left. Benghazi. Oh, brudder.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K[/I]
The countdown to moving this thread off General Baja Discussion is on, 10, 9, 8, 6, ... |
Your first post on 10-13. STEP RIGHT UP AND GET A CUPIE DOLL!!! ... How many posts and paragraphs have been added since? and here (by your own
admission) I thought you were second-in-command of this site.
Left, indeed. Just ask Nixon, John Mitchell (and the whole Cabinet), James Watt, Jolly Ollie North, and of course, Dubya Junior, Papa Cheney... THE
RIGHT IS RIGHT!
Right?
5,4,3....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
No, truth is in no way an obstacle to praise or reward for the left.
The guy who said if you like your health care plan you can keep it... and the average family will pay $2,500 less... and the Benghazi attack was the
result of a You Tube video... and the chance of ebola coming to America is slim... and if it does, we have in place everything needed to contain it
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 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
awwww.... he went offline.....
[Edited on 10-17-2014 by bajabuddha]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
....... Enbridge has apparently met the testing expectations (basic minimum???) and he has been laid off. My friend said there has been a 50% failure
rate on pipeline welds (40-50 year old pipelines). |
....ohh,,mannnnn...you're not 'appeasing' my trust issues! |
I know several communities in Wyoming and Colorado that are dealing with fracking issues just like this one....trust is not on the agenda.....hold
them to their contracts and verify.....
There have been multiple spills here in Utah into the city(Red Butte) and into adjacent wilderness areas.....but then folks who've never been to
wilderness areas don't seem to mind either.....all good if you live in a concrete jungle anyway.....but that does mean you are
downstream.....especially those in drought starved Cali.......
Willful ignorance remains willful and ignorant..... |
...so sad,,so true......it makes one wonder how long these dinosaurs will plod the earth,,,,,and what will be left from their trying to keep the
standard of living like the good'oledays
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Micah,
You'll notice the attempt at deflection....it's a common tactic of the willfully ignorant to attempt to muddle the discussion by deflecting it onto
another venue. The fact that fracking is the topic is not on their agenda. So, with bold bullying tactics they attempt to shout down the reality that
they need to deny......and then stomp out of the room with indignation....
So classic and so ignorant.....it's like the chicken and the egg.....which came first, the lack of intellect or the decision to be willfully
ignorant.....one leads to the other and vice versa....
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
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....^^....yeh,,,kinda saw that ~ page 2.
...it's amazing how tenacious they are......I can only imagine their reaction if the frackers knocked on their door...in america they'd happily take a
royalty and gleefully celebrate their new standard of living....in Mexic,,not so much .
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Thanks for posting that DK, I thought about giving first hand testimony about lots of issues covered in this thread but decided not to subject myself
to the piling on of those who know everything there is to know about all of the settled science. My advice to you is not to waste your time, you
could claim that the sky is blue and they will call you names for it. You and I and most folks that have done any research know that the Gas Land
videos were total BS but if they fit your agenda they must be struck on stone tablets somewhere. I don't know anything about an academy award buddha
but just because you get an award for something doesn't mean you deserve one. Heck, I heard about a guy who won a Nobel Peace Prize once that.........
People who have their mind made up about a topic (on every side) will gravitate toward news sources that support their agenda. The post that started
this stupid thread was "BREAKING NEWS" according to micah straight from the "desmog blog".....really? the "desmog blog"? Is that where you look for
your fair and balanced "breaking news" micah? What a bunch of fracking sheep.....
[Edited on 10-17-2014 by dtbushpilot]
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DT, my mind's not 'made up' on the subject, but seems yours is. My mind says there's more to be learned, and more to be watched, and watched out
for. Yours is the mind that is made up that all's well, fracking's all ok, and the industry that does it is the true impermeable layer. After what
BP and their ilk have done, tres contrare. West Africa and the BP refineries of south Texas shores with countless spills, explosions, fines,
penalties, and environmental destruction shows me who needs watching, and who's really telling 'the truth' and who's really the carnival barkers.
I trust your logic, you worked in the field; your credentials are sound. That doesn't mean THEIRS IS. You by your admission are a field worker, and
that's great. I trust in your word and your feelings, made a very good living for you, and a good retirement (I take it). I had a good friend for
many years that was pro-union, until he became fire chief of a major refinery (first Amoco, now BP). His opinion of first, the unions, and later the
Corporate bosses radically changed, due to seeing 'beyond the bubble'.
Who's minds are truly those that are fully 'made up' and unchangeable? Who's looking for answers, and who thinks they really have them all?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
Its a good thing for us to be producing our own oil but I do wish we would parley the benefits (ie-profits) into alternate sources of energy as the
fracking boom won't last forever and we don't need more foreign hostilities over oil. Its really a travesty with all the sun hitting the western US
that every roof doesn't have a solar panel----look at Germany, with a not very sunny climate, now deriving immense amounts of their power from the
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Exactamente!
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| Quote: | quote]Originally posted by David K
No, truth is in no way an obstacle to praise or reward for the left.
The guy who said if you like your health care plan you can keep it... and the average family will pay $2,500 less... and the Benghazi attack was the
result of a You Tube video... and the chance of ebola coming to America is slim... and if it does, we have in place everything needed to contain it
STILL HAS HIS JOB! |
What? You're going to blame Obama for the ebola virus epidemic as well?
You're incredible DK. Just when I think you can't be any more ridiculous you go one better.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Thanks for posting that DK, I thought about giving first hand testimony about lots of issues covered in this thread but decided not to subject myself
to the piling on of those who know everything there is to know about all of the settled science. My advice to you is not to waste your time, you
could claim that the sky is blue and they will call you names for it. You and I and most folks that have done any research know that the Gas Land
videos were total BS but if they fit your agenda they must be struck on stone tablets somewhere. I don't know anything about an academy award buddha
but just because you get an award for something doesn't mean you deserve one. Heck, I heard about a guy who won a Nobel Peace Prize once that.........
People who have their mind made up about a topic (on every side) will gravitate toward news sources that support their agenda. The post that started
this stupid thread was "BREAKING NEWS" according to micah straight from the "desmog blog".....really? the "desmog blog"? Is that where you look for
your fair and balanced "breaking news" micah? What a bunch of fracking sheep.....
[Edited on 10-17-2014 by dtbushpilot] |
....enough whitewash DT....I actually totally agree that movie lost a lot of credit when the producer or whoever wanted to ignore the fact that
there's been occurrences of natural gas in water systems long before fracking was around,,,,but enough already,,,,I spent a fair number of hours doing
serious research to get an objective view and saw clearly that the industry is willing to put up with 'inevitable' collateral damage in the way of
'cross-pressuring' into water sources,,where testing shows the actual fracking chemicals showing up--not just natural gas..... and of course
the 2 to 3 to 9% of total product that escapes into the atmosphere
.....why you want to -try- and discredit the information is totally astounding.....'lost your papers',,indeed ....I guess some people just can't open their minds until it's just. too. late.
...how are the stocks doing?...and how can you even -look- at your granchildren??
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabuddha
DT, my mind's not 'made up' on the subject, but seems yours is. My mind says there's more to be learned, and more to be watched, and watched out
for. Yours is the mind that is made up that all's well, fracking's all ok, and the industry that does it is the true impermeable layer. After what
BP and their ilk have done, tres contrare. West Africa and the BP refineries of south Texas shores with countless spills, explosions, fines,
penalties, and environmental destruction shows me who needs watching, and who's really telling 'the truth' and who's really the carnival barkers.
I trust your logic, you worked in the field; your credentials are sound. That doesn't mean THEIRS IS. You by your admission are a field worker, and
that's great. I trust in your word and your feelings, made a very good living for you, and a good retirement (I take it). I had a good friend for
many years that was pro-union, until he became fire chief of a major refinery (first Amoco, now BP). His opinion of first, the unions, and later the
Corporate bosses radically changed, due to seeing 'beyond the bubble'.
Who's minds are truly those that are fully 'made up' and unchangeable? Who's looking for answers, and who thinks they really have them all?
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You don't quite have me figured out buddha. I see things from a different perspective than you, that doesn't mean that I believe that fracking or
disposal of fracking fluid is totally safe and good to go in all circumstances. There is still a lot to learn, some of it will be learned the hard way
unfortunately. It is up to all of us as Americans and residents of this planet to try to do our best to protect our environment and resources.
The US is an energy hungry nation, the world is energy hungry, we need it to survive. Energy producers and providers are doing their best to provide
us with the energy that we demand. For the most part that energy (be it oil, coal, nat.gas, solar, wind, nuclear etc.) is delivered to our doorstep
and at our fingertips without problems or issues, the vast majority of wells that are hydraulically fracked and the disposal of the fracking fluid is
done without issues but there are always some exceptions.
Geologists in the US are some pretty knowledgeable folks, the oil industry employs the best of them. Do they get it right 100% of the time? No. The
same goes for every other aspect of the energy industry, while they get it right 99.9% of the time there is always a possibility of failure due to any
number of factors. We still have a lot to learn and we (all of us with our minds open) are learning more each day. We only hear about the bad things
that happen especially as it pertains to the oil and gas industry. The energy industry has made some monumental screw-ups over the years and the media
has gone above and beyond to be sure we are informed. The other 99.9% of what they do you won't be hearing about, no news there, it is what they do
day in and day out to provide for our needs in a safe and clean manner.
The energy industry doesn't and shouldn't get a free pass when it comes to safety and environmental concerns. We should and do demand that they get it
right 100% of the time. Is that possible? No, of course not. The products that they extract, refine and deliver are dangerous and toxic, there will be
problems from time to time. The last thing that the energy providers in the US want is a leak, spill, fire, injury etc. They go to lengths that people
that haven't been exposed to their procedures wouldn't understand. The media won't be telling you about that stuff, it doesn't fit their "big oil is
bad" agenda. I can tell you from first hand experience that the oil producers take extreme measures to do their job safely. The bigger the company the
more stringent their safety procedures.
I have witnessed lots of environmental messes during my career. I have also been part of the movement towards increased safety and environmental
awareness. The oil industry is improving every day, they have a tough, dangerous job to do and they do a damn good job of it. Unfortunately, as long
as we demand inexpensive energy their products will be necessary and in demand. I for one am glad that they are doing what they do, you should be too.
The science isn't settled on fracking, not by a long shot. There is still a lot to learn and we are learning more every day. We should continue to
hold the energy providers to the highest standard of safety, it's in everybody's best interest. The science on climate change isn't settled either, we
still have a lot to learn there too but that's a different (but related) topic.
BTW Buddha, while field work was some of the more satisfying work that I did, I was fortunate to work in other areas of the energy industry as well.
[Edited on 10-17-2014 by dtbushpilot]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Thanks for posting that DK, I thought about giving first hand testimony about lots of issues covered in this thread but decided not to subject myself
to the piling on of those who know everything there is to know about all of the settled science. My advice to you is not to waste your time, you
could claim that the sky is blue and they will call you names for it. You and I and most folks that have done any research know that the Gas Land
videos were total BS but if they fit your agenda they must be struck on stone tablets somewhere. I don't know anything about an academy award buddha
but just because you get an award for something doesn't mean you deserve one. Heck, I heard about a guy who won a Nobel Peace Prize once that.........
People who have their mind made up about a topic (on every side) will gravitate toward news sources that support their agenda. The post that started
this stupid thread was "BREAKING NEWS" according to micah straight from the "desmog blog".....really? the "desmog blog"? Is that where you look for
your fair and balanced "breaking news" micah? What a bunch of fracking sheep.....
[Edited on 10-17-2014 by dtbushpilot] |
....enough whitewash DT....I actually totally agree that movie lost a lot of credit when the producer or whoever wanted to ignore the fact that
there's been occurrences of natural gas in water systems long before fracking was around,,,,but enough already,,,,I spent a fair number of hours doing
serious research to get an objective view and saw clearly that the industry is willing to put up with 'inevitable' collateral damage in the way of
'cross-pressuring' into water sources,,where testing shows the actual fracking chemicals showing up--not just natural gas..... and of course
the 2 to 3 to 9% of total product that escapes into the atmosphere
.....why you want to -try- and discredit the information is totally astounding.....'lost your papers',,indeed ....I guess some people just can't open their minds until it's just. too. late.
...how are the stocks doing?...and how can you even -look- at your granchildren??
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I'm not sure what you mean about "whitewashing" micah, I never said that stuff didn't exist. There is more than one side to the story, it isn't as
simple as "fracking is bad, let's put a stop to it". The energy industry's job is to provide us with inexpensive, clean energy in a safe, responsible
manner while making a profit for their shareholders (me and everybody else with a 401K or pension). They typically accomplish that. They are getting
better all the time, partly because of government regulations. (not all government intervention is bad).
Interesting that you should mention the product that escapes into the atmosphere. Vapor recovery requirements have been implemented throughout the
industry. I'm sure you must know this as you have done the research. Our company has been designing and building vapor recovery units (VRU's) for a
number of years now. They are basically the same compressors that you would use to move natural gas but quite a bit more complicated as they have to
be able to separate oxygen from the vapor before it can be compressed and pushed into the pipeline. When new rules are implemented sometimes it is
done in phases with the requirements getting stricter as time passes. This gives the industry time to design the required equipment and get it
delivered to the site.
Another thing to consider is that the rules are not the same everywhere. One example that comes to mind is Indian reservations, they are sovereign
nations and make their own rules. Most big oil companies follow the same stringent guidelines for safety and environmental concerns regardless of the
requirements on the ground but that isn't necessarily the case with smaller producers. It wouldn't be difficult to find a mess being made somewhere by
someone and report it as "business as usual" in the energy industry if that is your agenda (as the contributors to "desmogblog" might do).
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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The really sad part is (I think) that we all want the same thing, ie. to be happy and healthy. How we achieve that is where we split ways.
For some here it is to demigod corporations and American business. To put their trust in government bureaucrats who are often thousands of miles
removed from where they want to micro manage. To punish success and reward failure. To redistribute wealth with the result of making us all poor, and
somehow that is the only way to be fair.
For the rest it is to have a choice and pick the best available things for our needs. To use our money to support business (which hires and pays
workers and makes a profit which is returned to investors and pays taxes). To have money to help others, and improve our lives. To want everyone to
have success. Instead of lowering people to be fair, let's raise people through employment and opportunity. Corporations must do what the people want
since it is their dollars that keep a corporation alive. They must compete for your business by making the best product at the best price. The people
choose with their dollars.
My advice, don't trust government... be wary of anything they do. We hope they do right or that they can't do too much damage while in power.
Sometimes government does do good and only those things the Constitution outlines as its duties. Other times the government ignores the Constitution
and uses presidential powers in dictatorial actions that are claimed to be for the good of the people but instead are for job security for the
bureaucrats.
Power belongs to the people and government is supposed to serve the people to do only those things the people cannot do on their own: to protect
people from force or fraud.
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