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David K
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Still waiting for any of you to answer the "science" of why that palm tree, just above the sea level, is still just above sea level 64 years later???
No rudeness, no name calling, no unrelated subject changes.
Is there anything to be panicked over in the photos? The tree didn't move... and neither did the sea level enough to be noticed.
Have a nice day amigos.
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wessongroup
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Perhaps we could if one has the exact sea level measurements at that specific location in 1950 and we got another measurement today
Also in 1950 we and the world was not using as much "oil" and other materials as currently, the population was less ... as far as the "ice core"
samples ... they would show below the "line" ... as the CO2 didn't start to rise above the "line", until we went above 10,000.000 barrels a day
Would you agree if the change was noted but was only .025 mm as once again the "numbers" which are coming out are very small which one would expect
when dealing with the volume water which is in play
Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup  | Here's something to review ... for some
Revisiting the contemporary sea-level budget on global and regional scales
Dividing the sea-level budget into contributions from ice sheets and glaciers, the water cycle, steric expansion, and crustal movement is challenging,
especially on regional scales. Here, Gravity Recovery And Climate Experiment (GRACE) gravity observations and sea-level anomalies from altimetry are
used in a joint inversion, ensuring a consistent decomposition of the global and regional sea-level rise budget. Over the years 2002–2014, we find a
global mean steric trend of 1.38 ± 0.16 mm/y, compared with a total trend of 2.74 ± 0.58 mm/y. This is significantly larger than steric trends derived
from in situ temperature/salinity profiles and models which range from 0.66 ± 0.2 to 0.94 ± 0.1 mm/y. Mass contributions from ice sheets and glaciers
(1.37 ± 0.09 mm/y, accelerating with 0.03 ± 0.02 mm/y2) are offset by a negative hydrological component (−0.29 ± 0.26 mm/y). The combined mass
rate (1.08 ± 0.3 mm/y) is smaller than previous GRACE estimates (up to 2 mm/y), but it is consistent with the sum of individual contributions (ice
sheets, glaciers, and hydrology) found in literature. The altimetric sea-level budget is closed by co-estimating a remaining component of 0.22 ± 0.26
mm/y. Well above average sea-level rise is found regionally near the Philippines (14.7 ± 4.39 mm/y) and Indonesia (8.3 ± 4.7 mm/y) which is dominated
by steric components (11.2 ± 3.58 mm/y and 6.4 ± 3.18 mm/y, respectively). In contrast, in the central and Eastern part of the Pacific, negative
steric trends (down to −2.8 ± 1.53 mm/y) are detected. Significant regional components are found, up to 5.3 ± 2.6 mm/y in the northwest
Atlantic, which are likely due to ocean bottom pressure variations.
http://www.pnas.org/content/113/6/1504
To be published by the National Academy of Science ... a paper and/or report must be submitted for "peer" review
This report was and did pass peer review
Oh, btw ... the Ocean is a pretty big thing to measure all components at the same time using sampling techniques which will afford one accurate and/or
meaningful scientific results ... no argument from me on that aspect of this discussion
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We could talk about the drought ... too 
http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/home/regionaldroughtmonitor.as...
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Still waiting for any of you to answer the "science" of why that palm tree, just above the sea level, is still just above sea level 64 years later???
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Anybody know whether Baja is dropping as the Pacific Plate moves? |
I don't know.
Western NA is rising but the pacific plate only gets down to about GN then smaller plates come in. Cocos,...
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Hey DK, The reason I don't give my 2 pesos on every Baja1000 or 500 post or anything Off-Road related is because I'm not an enthusiast and I feel my
opinion does not benefit this forum. It would be a distraction from real information people may want. I could troll all day long with real photos of
the racing damage to the desert you claim to love. I don't do that. Could you consider holding back your same old palm tree opinion when the rest of
us want to talk science? I don't think you can.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Still waiting for any of you to answer the "science" of why that palm tree, just above the sea level, is still just above sea level 64 years later???
No rudeness, no name calling, no unrelated subject changes.
Is there anything to be panicked over in the photos? The tree didn't move... and neither did the sea level enough to be noticed.
Have a nice day amigos. |
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David K
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Still waiting to hear if the photos show a reason for the panic and hysteria promoted by folks who seem to need drama and your tax dollars.
Wessongroup, I am not saying there isn't any change. I ask if the photos show any change in 60 years that can be noticed that would justify the panic.
How does off road racing change sea level? I am asking an easy question, please don't change the topic because you have no logical response.
Have a nice day.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron | Of course I say that as I am planting tomatoes a month before the official last frost date in North Central Texas in the winter that wasn't.  |
el niño effect!
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The photo is irrelevant, why do you assign any meaning to your snapshots. Your palm tree photos are as relevant as your cat pictures.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
The photo is irrelevant, why do you assign any meaning to your snapshots. Your palm tree photos are as relevant as your cat pictures.
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What planet is your home world?
LOL.... seriously... cat pictures?
Let's see your photo of a monument on the beach, 50 years apart so anyone can see this so-called dangerous rise in sea level.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Still waiting to hear if the photos show a reason for the panic and hysteria promoted by folks who seem to need drama and your tax dollars.
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The crux of the matter and a recurring theme is how much is climate change research going to cost, and is it a Republican or Democrat endeavor.
It is impossible for me to find any panic (DKs word) or hysteria (Goats?) in these posts. The thread reads like a scientific discussion preempted
by David's humor about palm trees.
I see the humor myself. It does look like trolling, though.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Yes, I should have allowed for that possibility, for sure. Though I will say that all the old-timers here do not ever remember a winter THIS warm and
generally El Ninos are colder and wetter in North Central Texas--so if its El Nino the climatologists will have to do some recalibrating on their
modeling cycles.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
The photo is irrelevant, why do you assign any meaning to your snapshots. Your palm tree photos are as relevant as your cat pictures.
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What planet is your home world?
LOL.... seriously... cat pictures?
Let's see your photo of a monument on the beach, 50 years apart so anyone can see this so-called dangerous rise in sea level. |
Here is a pic of a tide guage. It's accuracy and precision are a bit better that your luddite palm tree guage, eh?
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David K
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No, it isn't showing us anything asked for. As I thought, nobody can explain why the palm on the beach just above high tide, is not in the water 60
years later. If it is true, that sea level is rising dangerously, where is that happening that we can see?
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The ship can't be sinking, my side just rose 100 feet.
David
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
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David the reason they won't answer your question is because they know the rise in sea level is so small overall it really doesn't affect us. For them
to say so they would have to agree with what you've been saying and you know that will never happen.
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Before we make any Drastic Decisions
Let's wait for an accurate count on all that plastic that "might" be causing any rise.
Granted, much of the individual pieces (other than the beverage containers) will have to be assigned an "estimated" weight given the difficulty of
placing them on a scale, BUT.................it should give us a rough baseline from which to move forward.
Something else that "should" be taken into consideration are ALL of those ships out there at any given time. With the dramatic increase in commercial
shipping AND all of those Super-Cruise ships, THAT'S a LOT of displacement.
The Good News is that we should be able to develop a computer-model for the ships on any given day, though.
Let's get that DATA together and have a REAL serious discussion.
One LAST point to consider is ALL of the sewage worldwide that flows into the ocean. There is a LOT of S-hit, so to speak.
Somebody go to work on that one.
OK ?
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OK I will give DK a possible answer why the palm is still out of water there are not as many fish in the SOC as there was yrs ago so IMO its a volume
kinda thing
back to my reposada
So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
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David K
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Thank you amigos... we can play nice and still have fun, right?
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wessongroup
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Agreed DK ... think its been an interesting discussion thus far
And the only point which was being made on that specific location ... was the degree and/or measured change ... either positive or negative
btw ... What "panic" ... Not me
Change is inevitable ... think most will agree with that
However, the change can be positive or negative in most cases as it relates to a "livable Habitat" for the human species and other species ... we® can
adapt in most cases and have been for sometime
Adaptive Radiation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_radiation
But, getting an idea on the degree of "adaption" which may be required would seem reasonable ... sorta like going to Baja off roading and NOT taking
the necessary equipment for the trip
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David K
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My panic and drama comments are NOT necessarily Baja Nomads, but primarily the rest of the media reports that push the one side of this debate and
discounts the other side in uncomplimentary terms. How is visual proof flat-earthy? To believe that in our lifetime Miami, San Diego, and other ocean
cities will be underwater, well it seems so "Chicken Little" like behavior (I am hoping all here know that story).
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