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Burbs
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ramuma53
Nomads
As I promised, I have a new set of employees in my hotel working since last week.
The Judge has just dropped all charges on my people and will be free in a couple of days, as soon as he receives the last of authority information.
They will return to Buenaventura without charges and having being illegally detained for 45 days without a legal cause and because the Estate District
attorney invented crimes on them, crimes that were not accepted by the criminal judge, who found them groundless and the procedure a human rights
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MARIO ALAN PEREZ RIVERA JUZGADO 1o. DE DISTRITO EXP. 283/2012
MARIA ELIZABETH ESPINOZA MONTAÑO JUZGADO 1o. DE DISTRITO EXP. 216/2012
ROBERTO MIRANDA GOMEZ JUZGADO 3ro. DE DISTRITO EXP. 220/2012
OSWALDO ARECHIGA PEREZ JUZGADO 1ro. DE DISTRITO EXP. 224/2012
EN TODOS LOS CASOS SE NEGO EL AMPARO.
EN TODOS LOS CASOS SE NEGO EL AMPARO.
El delito es grave y no alcanzan fianza a uno de ellos le están practicando estudios de personalidad para ver la peligrosidad del individuo, es el
primero de la lista.....
[Edited on 4-12-2012 by Burbs]
[Edited on 4-12-2012 by Burbs]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
David K,
I think that Pompano is one of the best and greatest part of this board. If you notice he really doesn't offer an opinion.
I still don't understand what a beer and a hamburger have to do with a lease and 100's of thousands of US dollars spent and taken with no remorse. I
have seen both sides in action and still don't see the difference.
That beach has some strange mojo, we use to think it's an Indian burial grounds, that might answer what has gone on there! |
My opinions in this thread are only on the harassment of Muñoz on Mark and Olivia, with constant lies and threats... to force them off land he seeks
to possess via Chicago style force.
Once the 'Black Hand' has been stopped, and life can return to something closer to normal... that would be the time to work out other issues... right?
I mean, do you want to be there while Muñoz keeps hiring thugs with guns who have burned down a home, that could have been yours or another renter's?
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XPBRes
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David K,
This is such a sore spot for a few of us that are still left. I don’t want to make you feel like I’m attacking you or the people who want to support
Mark & Olivia. Please do, it is a great beach!
I guess where I have a problem is that you assume that Mike & Olivia 1st had the right to lease to some Americans. Then have his Italian friends
invest in the property. Before Munoz, well over a MILLION USD had changed hands.
It has come to my attention that this is not Ejido (La Purisma) land, nor has Munoz filed the right paperwork to claim ownership. That makes me very
disappointed that people continue to call this “His or There’s”.
In a way we were bullied, mislead and forced out. Mark says I’m whining. What I think is that if this was so easy to understand, why has it not been
resolved?
Even people on this board are fighting over the outcome.
This is JUST WORDS to you. We lost our love and joy of Baja over this, not to mention a lot of money. I take most of the responsibility for our
decisions but to be cheated and lied too is not OK!!
This did not start with Munoz!!!
So let’s go back to the beginning and who screwed who 1st. Munoz is a thug but he is the byproduct of a corrupt system that allows injustice to
continue.
So for me it is an insult to see the word GOOD PEOPLE misused.
JUST MY OPINION!
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Cypress
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
This is such a sore spot for a few of us that are still left.
This did not start with Munoz!!!So let’s go back to the beginning and who screwed who 1st. Munoz is a thug but he is the byproduct of a corrupt system
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If I remember correctly you and other parties decided to stop paying lease money to Mike and Olivia. You paid Munoz instead. Munoz is not the legal
owner. The lease payment was not paid. The contract was broken. Did I miss something?
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XPBRes
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OK that is a short version if you want to go with it fine.
I guess you missed the part about they didn't have the right to lease to us to begin with. Then asked us to pay more for a lease they were breaking,
because Mike left them high and dry.
What is with you people? Have you been cheated before, then you have people tell you what wonderful people those guys were who stole from you?????
What did we do to Mike & Olivia? Pay them for 10 years on a lease that they broke because the Ejido wanted more money from them. Then try to
settle on a new lease agreement when Munoz showed up. We were current on all payments, until we made a decision 10 years ago to go another direction.
Now all of you have been talking and sharing since the TURTLE THREAD and you think you have the answers to who owns what. Now it appears to not even
be Ejido land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as rightful owners I thought I mentioned that 20 years later they still haven't figured that out. It looks like right now there is a concession
but NO ONE OWNS THE LAND. Is that any clearer.
[Edited on 4-12-2012 by XPBRes]
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Cypress
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NO ONE OWNS THE LAND? Were taxes paid on it? Who paid the taxes? Who's been in possession of the land for the past several years? That might make
things clearer.
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XPBRes
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Cypress,
Do you really believe that in 10 years of dispute that if it was that easy it would not have been resoloved by now.
All I can say is most of you would not have made it 15 years in this mess!
I'm so glad to have experienced the best that San Buenventura had to offer!
You will never convince me that we were given a valid lease to begin with. That became very clear when Mike left and all this began. I don't believe
it is over either!
[Edited on 4-12-2012 by XPBRes]
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
OK that is a short version if you want to go with it fine.
I guess you missed the part about they didn't have the right to lease to us to begin with. Then asked us to pay more for a lease they were breaking,
because Mike left them high and dry.
What is with you people? Have you been cheated before, then you have people tell you what wonderful people those guys were who stole from you?????
What did we do to Mike & Olivia? Pay them for 10 years on a lease that they broke because the Ejido wanted more money from them. Then try to
settle on a new lease agreement when Munoz showed up. We were current on all payments, until we made a decision 10 years ago to go another direction.
Now all of you have been talking and sharing since the TURTLE THREAD and you think you have the answers to who owns what. Now it appears to not even
be Ejido land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as rightful owners I thought I mentioned that 20 years later they still haven't figured that out. It looks like right now there is a concession
but NO ONE OWNS THE LAND. Is that any clearer.
[Edited on 4-12-2012 by XPBRes] |
I am still sorry you guys got wrapped up in all this and lost your dream.
This whole thing, as well as the turtle soup thread reminds me of a bunch of people sitting around watching the Super Bowl and everyone sitting on the
chairs thinks that they would have, could have, and probably did a better job than the players on the field. It is impossible to understand all of
the little quirks and side issues going on with this whole story. It is even more impossible to understand the complexities of Mexican Law that
allows this to happen in the first place. Finally, it is really impossible to believe that none of the court and legal system of Mexico is able to
successfully resolve this whole issue and make a determination on the facts.
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XPBRes
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Thank you Pescador,
I really have moved on. I think it is very important to share a closer encounter point of view. That at times brings up a lot of those old feelings
that you haven't felt for awhile.
This is a nightmare for Mark & Olivia and I applaud there courage to withstand the bully of insults. I also don't give them a complete pass on
THIS IS OUR LAND.
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XPBRes
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5 years ago that might have been worth a try, Gnukid. We don't have the resources anymore to rebuild or do we trust.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
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I really have moved on...
This is a nightmare for Mark & Olivia and I applaud there courage to withstand the bully of insults... |
This is very nice of you to say, considering you had issues with Olivia and her former partner Mike, years ago.
My 'Good People' application to Mark and Olivia is purely to do with the battle between them and Muñoz, and they way they treated us and others at the
restaurant, nothing more.
I did not know about any property lease issues with other norteamericanos before I met them and talked with others in the area about them. Including
one of the other norteamericanos who still goes there and had nothing bad to say... Do you know Jim Evans?
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XPBRes
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Yes,
I have spent time at Jim & Sandy’s home and consider them and their family friends.They know all parties involved and have stayed in contact, it
has been awhile since we've talked. The only difference for them they never invested, only visited like you. I totally understand the difference and
don’t hold it against anyone.
I want the best for the beach. I have a lot of hard feelings towards this unfortunate situation. Posting is sometimes therapy and sometimes anger
management. Either way this is helping to close a chapter of our lives.
[Edited on 4-13-2012 by XPBRes]
[Edited on 4-13-2012 by XPBRes]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
Yes,
I have spent time at Jim & Sandy’s home and consider them and their family friends.They know all parties involved and have stayed in contact, it
has been awhile since we've talked. The only difference for them they never invested, only visited like you. I totally understand the difference and
don’t hold it against anyone.
I want the best for the beach. I have a lot of hard feelings towards this unfortunate situation. Posting is sometimes therapy and sometimes anger
management. Either way this is helping to close a chapter of our lives.
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So true... nice to say, and I understand...
Jim lives near me, but we have never met here, just down there (at Bob and Susan's Lighthouse Resort, Playa Frambes).
Let's hope it all turns out well, and you will again enjoy times on that beach!
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Lobsterman
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Cypress,
Someone does own the land. It belongs to Mexico's National Government. It's still national land because nobody ever bought it legally from them. So
for about a $1M you can buy it legally and get a national land title.
If you guys would read Fulano's website you would know the real truths about mexico, just not the muddled opinions of a bunch of biased,
head-in-the-sand liberals. He researched that months ago and found out the REAL truth on this typical example of owning mexican real estate.
You will never catch me buying any of mexican properties and I'm sure there are many NOB people like me that feel the same way. Real estate values
today point to that fact. Renting yes, buying NO. I'm waiting for this to blow over cuz Buenaventure is a prefect location for me to stage my baja
fishing adventures, ie. quiet, out of weather, launch ramp, close to hiway and towns, etc. I've been away too long and am yearning to return.
I do not care if the hotel is a dump. All I need is a man cave with ac, a place for my BBQ smoker, place to store by boat in front of me and someone
to tell my fishing tales to.
Bugman
[Edited on 4-13-2012 by Lobsterman]
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Cypress
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lobsterman
Cypress,
Someone does own the land. It belongs to Mexico's National Government. It's still national land because nobody ever bought it legally from them. So
for about a $1M you can buy it legally and get a national land title.
You will never catch me buying any of mexican properties and I'm sure there are many NOB people like me that feel the same way. Real estate values
today point to that fact. Renting yes, buying NO.
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ramuma53
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David K***
Unless you accept that being sexually atacked is a service you want, you can not say they are a hard working couple, more likely a very hard working
criminal couple, making better their criminal actions against society.
[Edited on 4-14-2012 by BajaNomad]
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David K
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Your proof or evidence Mr. Muñoz?
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ramuma53
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Burbs, alias Nark or Mark Jerome Burbey now a presumed sexual predator
You are lying
First of all, the Federal Justice protection was not denied, it was granted to my employees. It was granted for the effect that the judge accept the
not guilty legal proof and as a consequence the judge on those cases dropped the charges for aggravated robbery as groundless, criminal association as
groundless and only the illegal property occupation remain until I prove my property right, something you know I can do easily.
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ramuma53
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gnukid
You can manipulate the newspaper news, but you can not change legal facts.
What the police did, was to take my property, executing an agrarian court rulling against some other person against some other property.
The Agrarian Court dennied having any case open against me and he recognized my property right and he can not legally act on my property.
What Olivia and Nark did, was to take the execution Olivia had against other property and try to execut it in my property.
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Hook
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It might be difficult to find a WORSE location in the Mulege area for your dream, Bugman. Maybe 20 plus miles of boating EACH way before you even get
to decent pinto bass areas, much less YT or dorado fishing.
Your research on fishing needs to match your research on real estate.
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