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surfer jim
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SO...how many people are going to access the TWELVE links provided, translate them, read all the details and determine what is the truth?
If you do....just post here the answer....who is the "owner"?
[Edited on 4-13-2012 by surfer jim]
[Edited on 4-13-2012 by surfer jim]
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willardguy
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but then you'll miss the critical thinking without emotion part!
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XPBRes
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Gnukid,
I have looked over your most current links. They come from the same source. I think I even know the writer. If I speculate and tell you he once
worked for Mike & Olivia. I helped him escape their employment by driving him into town while they were gone.
I too can tell a story from a point of view that is true to me.
This is a municipal action that has taken place, there are still state and federal actions that can influence the conclusion.
A local paper is going to be influenced by local people and so will the action of the local government.
I have seen documents posted here that say Olivia must return my property and yet they evicted Munoz and insert Olivia. She has documents that tell
her that she can take possession of those rentals. That was from an Agrarian court, only valid if its Ejido land. There is information coming out that
this is not Ejido land.
Munoz of course will claim all is just as he said, MINE, MINE it’s ALL MINE.
Kid, I totally AGREE with so much of what you just wrote.
I have to say that I don't think a local paper, with some pictures attached is going to be the final word.
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XPBRes
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Yes I understand we had a lease and we walked away knowing just that.
I still don't understand how you can be so sure.
Even in your last post you don't sound that clear about what you know.
You clearly believe one side of the story, and that doesn't sound at all like the person that just posted a conspiracy theory document.
You have seen Mark tell me I can come back, so I must have some integrity to my participation.
You even told me in a post that I should look into my rights.
I’m not here to fight, if this is over GREAT!!!
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XPBRes
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There is one thing I know for sure Olivia owns nothing. She is the LEASER we sub leased through her. If this is not Ejido land that was fraud.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
Yes I understand we had a lease and we walked away knowing just that.
I still don't understand how you can be so sure.
Even in your last post you don't sound that clear about what you know.
You clearly believe one side of the story, and that doesn't sound at all like the person that just posted a conspiracy theory document.
You have seen Mark tell me I can come back, so I must have some integrity to my participation.
You even told me in a post that I should look into my rights.
I’m not here to fight, if this is over GREAT!!! |
Read the court decisions. It can't be that hard to use a translator to read, it takes moments, if you have even the slightest interest in the outcome,
it's right there for you.
I'm getting the distinct feeling that you have a biased outcome and it has very little to do with acknowledging that things are going right for you,
and in an open and transparent manner and simply reconfirming the prior decisions.
There may be many associated investigations continuing or denuncias, those are are associated with fraud, defamation and other criminal activity.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
There is one thing I know for sure Olivia owns nothing. She is the LEASER we sub leased through her. If this is not Ejido land that was fraud.
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Alright, when the court says the property is her's, interpret however required. Interesting that you protest and are here posting yet disinterested in
the outcome, and so much so, yet apparently you used to understand the arrangement. If you are the person you say you are, you have an incredible
opportunity here, you could also pursue Munoz for fraud, if you don't want it, walk away, how nice you have every option at your feet. You are a very
lucky person, Congratulations and good luck.
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gnukid
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What number is your house?
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I am glad to see we now have another "Nomad Judge" to add to the collecton. Experts in everything, responsible for nothing.
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XPBRes
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So what your saying is that I watched, supported and helped a beach build up from the sand (no Mark). To then be bullied by all parties to pay them
for there failings and then take it on the chin.
Do you understand that I would have to start all over in a place that is still in turmoil. Invest in a lease that I already had that they broke. Yes I
stopped paying because there is no integrity in any of the parties. I was not alone in making that decision, all renters are now gone, most left right
away. Do you think if we had trusted Olivia that would have been the case.
Yes you are right they have all the judgements going there way and they are being so gracious in welcoming us back. I should be so thankful for this.
Tell you what maybe you can sublease from me. I'll send pictures I have great references, people in area very understanding.
#4 Paseo Cardon
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gnukid
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XPBres, you are not a party to this case. You have no reasonable complaint.
The courts results are posted reaffirming the decisions of the past, the squatters are evicted and in jail. Olivia owns three properties, one is #4
according to the documents and articles.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
The courts results are posted reaffirming the decisions of the past, the squatters are evicted.
Any objection you have with me is irrelevant, personal attacks as opposed to factual and sourced based argument about the subject at hand is
fallacious logic., it's not a valid argument in this case.
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You post with no responsibility in another words? Only doing your duty to regurgitate and translate?
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XPBRes
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Here is a post from another site that also has offical status. We have long been gone by the time this became known. There is Offically a doubt as to
this being Ejido land and that was Munoz hook. So yes Olivia might be winning but that does not make her the owner or leaser. This might make her a
criminal, but this will not be decided on this board.
records of the Secretaria de la Reforma Agraria and found an official letter, dated September 10, 2009, that says Rafael Munoz's title to Playa
Buenaventura is false, and orders the public records to reflect that his title is null and void. The official reason stated is that Rafael never
completed the procedures necessary to finalize the issuance of a proper title. Furthermore, the government cannot find any evidence that he even paid
for it. The letter also acknowledges that there is a federal investigation of Muñoz by the Mexican attorney general's office for the crimes of forgery
and using false documents.
http://www.sra.gob.mx/sraweb/datastore/t...978_09.pdf
"En tal razon, y al considerarse que la enajenacion del predio que nos ocupa no ha sido consumada en todos sus terminos toda vez que el titulo de
propiedad que obra en al expediente adminstrativo numero 142524 ha sido desconocido resulta infundado...."
For this reason, and in consideration that the alienation of the property under consideration has not been completely consummated in all respects, the
title to the property under consideration in administrative file number 142524 is unrecognized and unfounded..."
The letter does not say the land belongs to ejido La Purisima. It seems to indicate it is still national land, as there is mention that Muñoz made an
inquiry long ago of how much it would cost to buy the land out of its National land status.
By the way, the letter also says there is another property with the same number, 432949, that was issued to Bertha Lopez Castillo August 31, 1993 for
a property called "Beristain M-D L-14" located in Ahuazotepec, Puebla. Then they did some more digging at the Secretaria de la Reforma Agraria and
found another page with the same number, 432949, but the page was blank. So, reading between the lines, whatever happened, it was done with the help
of inside people at the Secretaria de la Reforma Agraria. They probably did not suspect that anyone would notice two properties with the same number.
That's quite a find. Now, in the U.S. I would know pretty much exactly what to expect. In Mexico? I have no clue. I am going to assume that everyone
involved (Rafael, Mark and Olivia) are aware of this status. Yet, the situation has continued for three years after the date of the letter and the
finding. Courts have been involved, lawyers, DAs, governors, the whole shooting match. The only conclusion I can draw is that there's more to the
story than this finding, and that it is not the final word.
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gnukid
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Here's the link to the 2009 SRA decision.
[Edited on 4-14-2012 by gnukid]
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well in early february marks advice was DO NOT COME TO MEXICO. what does mark say now?
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XPBRes
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The link didn't transfer but I know you all will believe this because it's now in print.
I did some more investigation and found this slide show presentation on Ejido La Purisima.
On page 2 of 28 of the slide, it shows the LAT-LON of the ejido, with the northernmost point being 26° 39' 00". The description in Muños' National
Title also says the boundary is 26° 39' 00". Since there is no overlap, it would appear the ejido is in agreement that Playa Buenaventura is not
within the boundaries of the ejido.
Furthermore, the letter found from the Agrarian Ministry says that the land described in Muñoz' now ineffective title is National Land. In the entire
10-page letter, not once does it mention the land is a part of Ejido La Purisima.
The only conclusion I can come to is that Playa Buenaventura is not a part of Ejido La Purisima.
[Edited on 4-14-2012 by XPBRes]
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XPBRes
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Gnukid, I have a story to tell.
I decided to put up a street sign back in the 90's at the corner of the property. We got creative found one of the downed telegraph cables that went
through our property (to be determined). We took the post with the old green glass on top and added the names of the streets. We burned the names into
the wood and used some wire to hang them.
Olivia comes by at one point and asked what we are doing. We explained and she was totally unaware that we had street names or house numbers.
We knew this because we had plans paid for and documented in Mulege.
You got the part about not knowing anything, right. Again Mark wasn't there either.
These are people’s lives and fortunes that have been manipulated not a bunch of judgments, names and numbers.
I want to dialog about the facts not a newspaper article I want to share our experiences good and bad.
I think my 20 years of involvement trumps your internet search and paste.
[Edited on 4-14-2012 by XPBRes]
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Out of curiousity what would be the yearly lease on XPBRes's house?
XPBRes if you are not coming back maybe someone else might pay one or even both claiming landlords for the use of this idealic piece of property on
the water.
Bugman
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XPBRes
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Bugman,
We were paying $200 a month for rent at the end (2007?). The new lease wanted $10,000 up front and I think it was double that for rent and ejido
payoff. Olivia needed to pay the ejido for all the improvements to the beach after Mike left. So the new lease 10 years later who knows. They would
probably be happy for any income.
For me the problem is we don't know the status of the house.
I've been told it is a mess. The pila was destroyed and the solar ripped off. We were hooked up to hotel for power when their generator ran. Plumbing
hasn't been used in 5 years or more.
I would love for someone to use the house, let me know.
[Edited on 4-14-2012 by XPBRes]
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XPBRes,
My twenty five years of going to baja to fish was always sleeping/camping out on the beach well into my 50s during all 4 seasons. I saw your place in
an earlier post you had. As long as I'm out of the weather, have space for my smoker/BBQ and a close by launch ramp for my boat I'm in heaven. Do
not even need a door or windows with glass.
Here's a post from my last time at BOC back in 2006. As you can see it does not take this old fart too many creature comforts to be happy in BOC.
I'm the good looking guy. We went down to your place during that trip and I said then that when I retire and if I ever come back this is where I'm
going to stage my fishing adventures from cuz it's so close to everywhere. Been retired a year now and not getting any younger so am rethinking never
coming back to baja.
I'd bring a 17' aluminum Baja Bayrunner with 4s motor. I'd look to lease for a year at a reasonable rate and be there probably 4 months a year. If
I'm not there I would not care if someone used the space. I'd take my toys and stuff home with me when I'm not there. Being retired now I have more
time on my hands to stay indefinately instead of only 2 weeks at a time. I've got a bunch of solar panels and other needed materials from my days of
doing field electronic installation work. Too bad you got ripped off.
What about plumbing there (taking a chit)?
Bugman
http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/baja-mexico-fishing-reports...
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