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DENNIS
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Sorry Larry. That was an out-of-context cheap shot.
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Gadget
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Wow! a hot topic here huh?
I'm a General Contractor.
I don't hire illegals or day workers off the street.
I use a professional staffing agency for all my employment needs from skilled to unskilled who hire properly documented workers only.
I don't make as much money per year as if I hired off the street.
I don't have payroll, employer tax reporting, workers comp or un-employment claims, the agency takes care of all that and sends me a monthly bill.
I don't have to go buy lunch for workers unless I want to.
I get the job done in a timely and professional manner and have been for almost 20 years now.
I used to hire low skill workers out of prison release programs until temp agencies caught hold in our area.
Congressman Arlin Spectar said the other day when the bill went down that the desenters need to voice their views so that meaningful work can be done
to complete the immigration reform bill.
Congress does not listen to us anymore but they heard us for sure on this one.
And were called the voting public Arlin!!!
I'll repeat what I want.
A secure border to protect us from terrorists and illegals of any nationality.
Jobs going to workers legally entitled to them of any nationality.
Employers fined or locked up per emplyee for hiring illegals of any nationality.
I can run my business without illegals in a very competitive industry full of them and still pay my bills. Anyone else who says they can't are just
plain greedy.
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DENNIS
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Hey Gadget ----
YANKEE DOODLE..............Good for you
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Paula
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''Sorry Larry. That was an out-of-context cheap shot."
Dennis, I don't want to enter this discussion, but I did want to tell you that I think the above was a very nice post
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DENNIS
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Thanks Paula. As you know, I sometimes lose control of myself.
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Paula
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So glad that never happens to me
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Mexitron
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Gadget--I've used those temp agencies...the employees were generally laughable and were sometimes illegal(they just gave false documents to the
agency--they told me themselves). But glad to hear its worked for you. I really wanted to go that route because I hate all that paperwork too.
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oldhippie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Ah. Do you fully trust the Mexican government?
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Trust Government? I don't understand.
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oldhippie
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Come on grover, the Mexican Government doesn't do that.
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Gadget
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Thank you gentlemen for your kind comments. I wasn't looking for acolades here, just stating the facts as how I try not to contribute to the
problem(s), one of many facing our country at this time in history.
And yes Mexitron, it isn't easy all the time working with the temp agencies, but I am involved with a very good one at present called Contractors and
Builders. I do have to punt low skilled workers if they don't perform occasionally, but I have developed a temp agency workers performance form that
each worker must read and sign agreeing to what is expected of him prior to starting work. It has been approved by the agency who thought it was a
great idea. If they don't agree to the conditions they don't start work. Simple!!! I have yet to have any kind of problem with higher skilled
workers, all of which have been very professional and trustworthy. 
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Mexitron
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Gadget--good to know your technique, I'll give it a try if I ever get employees again...right now working solo and enjoying the freedom of not taking
care of the "kids". Actually in Texas there's plenty of legal labor available anyway.
One thing about temps though is that its hard to build a team that consistently works together which was really important in my landscaping work--that
was the advantage of full time staff--a well-oiled machine as it were.
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Baja Bernie
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What our friends are thinking
July 3, 2007
Immigration-Political News
The US Senate´s Rejection of Immigration Reform Sends
Political Ripples into Mexico
Widely condemned across Mexico´s political spectrum, the
US Senate´s failure to pass an immigration reform bill has
touched off reactions that could influence the course of
Mexican politics as well as bilateral US-Mexico relations.
In the wake of the recent vote, legislators from the
opposition Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI)
demanded that the administration of President Felipe
Calderon adopt a more agressive defense of undocumented
Mexicans in the United States.
Ricardo Garcia Cervantes, the president of the North
American foreign relations commission in the Mexican
Senate, contended that Mexico´s federal government ¨has to
do its job¨ and get the immigration question back on the
political agenda between the US and Mexico.
At the same time, the PRI members of the lower chamber of
the Mexican Congress sent a letter to President Calderon
requesting that he demand Washington halt the construction
of new border walls. The PRI representatives proposed the
possibility of withdrawing Mexico´s ambassador to the US
if no positive response was received from the Bush
administration.
In other pronoucements, the National Campesino
Confederation (CNC), a mass organization of small farmers
historically tied to the PRI, and the Mexican Episcopal
Conference (CEM) both commented that the defeat of
immigration reform in the US demonstrated the need for a
fresh look at job creation and other internal solutions to
a migration crisis that has as many as 600,000 Mexicans
leaving their homeland every year.
For his part, longtime Mexican political leader Porfirio
Munoz Ledo noted the irony of the immigration bill defeat
at a time when Mexican residents of US are reportedly
consuming more than other US residents, and driving
economic growth.
In an exclusive interview with Frontera NorteSur, Munoz
Ledo called Mexicans in the US a ¨boost to the North
American economy.¨ A former leader of the PRI who helped
found the center-left Party of the Democratic Revolution
in 1989, Munoz Ledo has served in both houses of Mexican
Congress. He was once Mexico´s ambasssor to the United
Nations, and during the early years of the Fox
Administration served as ambassador to the European
Union.
Munoz Ledo traced the current immigration crisis to the
North American Free Agreement that opened the door to the
massive importation of basic grains from the United States
and the ¨depopulation¨of the Mexican countryside.
¨The big error of (former President) Salinas was to not
demand the free circulation of people in exchange for the
North American Free Agreement, like it exists in Europe,¨
Munoz Ledo said.
The veteran politician also criticized the Mexican
government´s ¨timid¨relationships with migrants in the US
and with ¨Hispanics in general.¨ Munoz Ledo affirmed that
it is up to migrants across the border to press for
immigration reform, but that the Mexican government has
both a responsibility as well as a right to strengthen
relationships with its citizens in the US.
Additional Sources: CNN en Espanol, July 1, 2007. La
Jornada, June 30, 2007. Articles by Angeles Mariscal,
Georgina Saldierna, Gabriel Leon, Roberto Garduno, and
Andrea Becerril.
Frontera NorteSur (FNS): on-line, U.S.-Mexico border news
Center for Latin American and Border Studies
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, New Mexico
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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oldhippie
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Interesting, it seems to be a tepid response. For some reason it seems to me that the Mexicans would be more or less happy with what they got,
nothing, the status quo.
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The Gull
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It was amnesty for breaking US law.
It doesn't wash with even the most heart tearing stories of a bad life without breaking the law.
All actions have consequences.
Arizona just passed a law to prosecute employers of illegals. I wish them well and long days for lots of raids.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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oldhippie
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Gull, please explain what you would like to see happen to the 12 million people who are in the US illegally.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
Gull, please explain what you would like to see happen to the 12 million people who are in the US illegally. |
How about the SAME thing Mexico would do to Americans who are breaking Mexican law?
Can you imagine if groups of Americans marching in Mexican cities carrying American flags... demanding special services and a change to the law?
(I am not Gull... but I felt inspired to jump in!)
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oldhippie
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"How about the SAME thing Mexico would do to Americans who are breaking Mexican law?"
And what would that be? Go ahead, explain your solution.
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MrBillM
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Pass the Necessary Laws and Tighten Up Enforcement
Michael Jerkoff, the Homeland Security Jefe, decried the failure of the Bill because it meant that the "Emergency" funds of 4 + Billion for Fence
Building would not be forthcoming. The answer to that "Emergency" situation is simple. Draft and pass a clean bill funding the money.
As with every other issue, tackle them ONE at a time. The whole excuse for COMPREHENSIVE Legislation is for Everyone to get something they like, good
idea or not. So-called Comprehensive legislation usually makes for REALLY Bad Law.
IF the workers are needed, Pass legsislation to increase the Temporary Work Visas such as H-2-B in the other fields where we NEED foreign workers.
Offer a Seasonal Visa to anyone who comes forward and can show they've paid their taxes, etc while already here as their defenders claim they have.
Use whatever ICE resources available to track down and round up what violators we can.
Anything that decreases the approximately 12 million figure and curtails the rate at which illegal workers are coming in will be an
improvement.
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
Gull, please explain what you would like to see happen to the 12 million people who are in the US illegally. |
It's a free country we live in, even for those who are here illegally.
Enforce the law, and build the fence.
Then, they can choose what to do, when the work dries up because no one will hire them.
They initially chose to come here, in many cases they chose to tear apart and separate their families; they can choose to go home too.
It is not the responsibility of the USA to support the tired, poor, and huddled masses of the world. If it were, there are a couple Billion people
who would love to come here….
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And to those who say “fences don’t work” They do. Remember back in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s all the illegals who were getting hit on the I-5
freeway trying to evade the San Onofre checkpoint? That’s when they came up with the road sign of the mom and dad dragging their kid behind them…in
English it said CAUTION in Spanish it said PROHIBIDO.
That did not work several people still died every year…..They decided to build a fence down the centerline of the freeway, the activists said “no, no,
don’t do it, it too expensive and it wont work….” Since the fence was built, no one has died.
Fences make good neighbors and save lives.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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oldhippie
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OK Taco, at least you have a plan. Crack down on the employers and jobs will dry up for the illegals. Then they can choose what to do. Not bad, but
there's one problem. You'll be creating a destitute/desperate class of millions of people. Not a good thing. Property theft, armed robbery, drug
abuse, malnourished childern, etc.
You'll be making a bad problem worse.
[Edited on 7-3-2007 by oldhippie]
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