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Sallysouth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajadedom
Gibson must be in politics....probably anti- Pledge of Allegiance too.... Hope he doesn't drive south while Dave's on the road...
Thanks for the support Nomads-God Bless all of you! |
  
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Sharksbaja
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Gibson, snappy comeback. You really missed it tho. We WERE NOT talking to him before. Now he is a real person here. As far as I can see being polite
or sarcastic doesn't change the danger factor. It's pretty hard to express that in a nice manner.
He is the one who replied with the most maturity. Much more than his supporters here did. Get it?
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Sallysouth
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Yeah Sharks,Now that this bike person, seems to have two idenities, has given us a really good idea of who/ what he/she is about, I have to say I have
respect for the "person and the respect of the hiway "I do have doubts as to how many people are the posters here in regards to the bike guy and his
"not so nice" follow up poster. I will try to not feed this any further, the
best way to cut out the bad seed, don't plant it.
[Edited on 1-27-2008 by Sallysouth]
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Sharksbaja
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Very true Sally but alas, I am also sometimes quilty of that.
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Sallysouth
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Quilty of what? You make me laugh and that is a very good thing . Nevermind that you stir up some stuff that ruffles my feathers...It's all good. We
don't call each other names(bad) Unless we ask for it big time....Oh wait!n I just re-read your post! Yes Senor, you are quilty!! Thanks for the
chuckle that will put me to sleep..
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
"Roads in Baja are not just for cars", yup... I can agree that is true from what I have seen on them... BUT, the fact is they were NOT designed for
bike riders to use along with traffic. In other words, there is NO shoulder where a biker can pedal without being in a traffic lane, like most
highways in the U.S.
I do respect Dave for posting here and being intelligent enough to know how to share the road with cars that may not be able to safely get around him
or thinking that he has some 'special privilages' on a Mexican highway.
I hope your trip is a safe and rewarding one Dave... Thanks again for posting your reaction to our concerns for the safety of you on vacation and
others who must use that narrow road in autos or trucks. |
David. I agree. There is no bike lane on Hwy 1 in Baja; but, there is rarely a bike lane on roads or highways here in the US either. Bike riders
are used to it. The best bike routes through town here in the US are on back roads or side streets that cars don't often use. However, as soon as
they leave the city limits, it is usually on a very narrow shoulder that is covered with gravel, broken glass, and other road debris. This may be all
but 6" wide and more dangerous to ride on than it would be to share a lane. (I would agree the lanes are generally wider here in the US; but, not
always)
In Baja there really is no other viable option besides highway 1 for bikes. Bike riders don't want "special" privileges. They just want people to
respect their right of travel and not to run them off the road purposefully in the real world or on the internet. Thats all. Nonetheless, bike
riders have to deal with rude and unsafe drivers far more often than most people would ever realize, they are used to it.
There are bad bike riders too. Some riders don't follow the law regarding stop signs, etc.. Pedestrians are also to blame sometimes. No one group of
road user is without fault or responsibility.
I've known and seen several people that have been hit by cars or run off the road on both on foot and bicycle. Two of my best friends were hit by a
car and seriously injured in a school crosswalk when I was 10. If I had not been home sick that day, I would have been walking with them and most
likely had been run over as well. They had the green light and a crossing guard; yet, someone decided their right turn couldn't wait.
While the road may be mostly for cars, I'd hope people would show some respect for other road users, even if they are not around or able to defend
themselves. Parking lots were made for cars; yet, we all must get out and walk to the store. It always cracks me up to see an impatient person speed
through a parking lot with no regard to pedestrians or other people, then get out of their car and walk carelessly to a store across the same parking
lot. Someday they may be run down by someone just like themselves.
The best bike lane I've seen in all of Baja is on the toll road between Tecate and La Rumerosa. It's a good 8 feet wide. However; bikes are NOT
allowed according to the signage and it is probably a good thing since the speed limit is 120KPH and not 60-80KPH as it is on Hwy 1.
BTW-Here's an interesting video for anyone with some time. It was a BBC Documentary about road rage. Lot's of crazy people in cars, bikes, and on
foot. It may seem out of balance at first; but, if you watch it they show MANY bad bike riders (besides the ones in the opening scene) as well as
other road users. Very interesting. I'm sure the anti-4x4 people will get you riled up David.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2338091070755237169
Safe travels to all. And I'm glad everyone is being civil. 
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gibson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sallysouth
Yeah Sharks,Now that this bike person, seems to have two idenities, has given us a really good idea of who/ what he/she is about, I have to say I have
respect for the "person and the respect of the hiway "I do have doubts as to how many people are the posters here in regards to the bike guy and his
"not so nice" follow up poster.I will try to not feed this any further, the
best way to cut out the bad seed, don't plant it.
[Edited on 1-27-2008 by Sallysouth] |
Sally, sally you silly ol' filly you!
I need your bizarre assumptions like a fish needs a bicycle.
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David K
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Mango wrote: "David. I agree. There is no bike lane on Hwy 1 in Baja; but, there is rarely a bike lane on roads or highways here in the US either"
This is what I wrote:
"...there is NO shoulder where a biker can pedal without being in a traffic lane, like most highways in the U.S."
I said shoulder, not bike lane... Most highways in the U.S. have a shoulder wide enough for bikes to pedal out of the traffic lane. Hwy. 1 south of
San Quintin has no shoulder... just a white stripe painted on the edge of the asphalt, beyond which is usually a steep drop off or a cliff.
Nobody here has road rage abainst bicycles, we are just expressing a concern for the safety of a rider who probably has never been south of San
Quintin and the hazzard he could be to the people that highway was designed to serve... people who NEED to be on that road, not want to be to fullfill
some personal goal.
I did watch some of the BBC video... seems well done. A good point made is that the highway is paid for from gasoline taxes... So, when does a bicycle
buy gasoline to contribute to the road he wants equal rights to use?? Interesting point, eh?
Thanks for the link and interaction Mango... I used to ride a bike, and do understand they really don't need much room on the road... But a road with
no room to spare isn't a good choice. Ultimately there will always be those cross country bikers on the Baja Highway and we just have to be as
carefull as possible when passing them!
Have a great Sunday... It is really wet here in San Diego County today!
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tajo
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At last some nice words for the bikers.
I have one more request to car drivers - If you see a biker on the road, especially on a narrow Mexican road without shoulder - do not honk a horn
without a good reason - it is terribly distracting and the shake can cause an accident.
Of course, if the biker is drunk or blocks the road as a cow - you can try to honk, but it is a special case.
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Sharksbaja
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I think we understand the situation. Inferring someone is doing dangerous things can be pretty hard to say nicely. Many of us adventurous types do
what many consider irresponsible and dangerous.
I have had many people wonder how and why I will travel alone on a deserted off-the-beaten-path. I tell them the same things you bikers tell of. I
become the sole bearer whether it's a secluded beach or being stuck in the sand. Involves nobody else. The biggest difference is if I crash or
whatever the mishap, most likely it will never involve endangering others.
When you ply the hiway littered with hazards, and that includes all other vehicles on the road, the odds of involvement with one increases
exponentially. Problem with that is, any physical engagement with a bike will usually have tragic results. The road does require all drivers to be
prepared for anything. Maybe even one of those UFOs that land regularly on blind curves.
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Sallysouth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gibson
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sallysouth
Yeah Sharks,Now that this bike person, seems to have two idenities, has given us a really good idea of who/ what he/she is about, I have to say I have
respect for the "person and the respect of the hiway "I do have doubts as to how many people are the posters here in regards to the bike guy and his
"not so nice" follow up poster.I will try to not feed this any further, the
best way to cut out the bad seed, don't plant it.
[Edited on 1-27-2008 by Sallysouth] |
Sally, sally you silly ol' filly you!
I need your bizarre assumptions like a fish needs a bicycle. |
Who was talking to you? Did ya take your nice
pill yet?(guess not)
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
This is what I wrote:
"...there is NO shoulder where a biker can pedal without being in a traffic lane, like most highways in the U.S."
I said shoulder, not bike lane... Most highways in the U.S. have a shoulder wide enough for bikes to pedal out of the traffic lane. Hwy. 1 south of
San Quintin has no shoulder... just a white stripe painted on the edge of the asphalt, beyond which is usually a steep drop off or a cliff.
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Agreed. What I meant to say is that many popular rides or roads here in the US with no "shoulder" either. Hwy 1 in CA, Pinehurst road in the Oakland
hills, Mt. Diablo, etc.. etc.. etc.. Hwy 1 in Baja is not that unique, except that it has very few population centers along it and light traffic,
which actually makes it better for bike riding than many roads here in the states.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Nobody here has road rage abainst bicycles...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Norm
YES BRUCE IS RIGHT ON THE $$$$$$$$  HOPE HE WILL MOVE OUT OF THE WAY WHEN THE
NEXT SEMI CUMS AROUND THE CORNER!!! HOW MANY HAVE BEEN RAN OVER ???? I HAVE HAD TO PUSH SOME OFF THE ROAD SO AS NOT TO GET HIT BY THE NEXT TRUCK
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The above quote sounds like road rage to me. Some people just seem to think that they own the road or their needs are more important than others.
How many people "need to be pushed off the road" before it is road rage?
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K, we are just expressing a concern for the safety of a rider who probably has never been south of San Quintin and
the hazzard he could be to the people that highway was designed to serve... people who NEED to be on that road, not want to be to fullfill some
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I respect the fact people were genuinely concerned for his well being and the well being of other travelers; but, how many of us gringos really "NEED"
to be on that road again? I understand about 18-wheelers and buses. But, boats, RV's? Where do were draw the line and who gets to draw it?
| Quote: | Originally posted by David KI did watch some of the BBC video... seems well done. A good point made is that the highway is paid for from
gasoline taxes... So, when does a bicycle buy gasoline to contribute to the road he wants equal rights to use?? Interesting point, eh?
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I'm glad you watched some of it. You do bring up a good point. Car drivers do tend to pay more road taxes; but, they also are harder on the roads
than others users and tend to create more smog than bikes and pedestrians. Many of the roads (freeways) that the taxes go towards are closed to bikes
and pedestrians anyways.
Nobody is forcing anyone to drive, it is a "privilege". Generally the more people ride bikes the less cars are on the road. Even people who never
drive pay taxes for the roads via paying shipping companies/truckers to bring food and other goods to their local stores.
Roads were around way before fuel users started paying taxes for fuel. The way government taxes road users is a whole other issue IMO. If you want
to stick it to the man and not pay any taxes on fuel.. go all electric!
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Thanks for the link and interaction Mango... I used to ride a bike, and do understand they really don't need much room on the road... But a road with
no room to spare isn't a good choice. Ultimately there will always be those cross country bikers on the Baja Highway and we just have to be as
carefull as possible when passing them!
Have a great Sunday... It is really wet here in San Diego County today! |
Thanks again David. It's funny how we can all agree on 99% of things and spend hours talking about the other 1%.
Have a great Sunday as well... and a good week.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
He'll be just another road hazard for drivers to deal with.
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Was this the guy on the two lane to Cabo yesterday.... if it was he was a serious hazzard to the auto drivers as he was going up a long hill with no
shoulder at about two miles an hour.... no place to pass, and he is wearing an orange construction vest.
These guys have no business on that road, and I do not wish them luck, I only wish they would get off the highway.
CaboRon
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Dave, "Caution" Be aware that there are long stretches of Desert between "watering holes". I doubt that a bike can carry enought cold Pacifico to
weather more than one nite between such . Dangerous, very Dangerous!!
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
... I do not wish them luck, I only wish they would get off the highway.
CaboRon |
Nice attitude. I'm sure it ruined your day.
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gibson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
These guys have no business on that road, and I do not wish them luck, I only wish they would get off the highway.
CaboRon |
"OUTTA MY WAAAY" teehee
"me, me, me, me"
I got some 'kind' if that would help ya
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timperkins
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Was this the guy on the two lane to Cabo yesterday? |
No. Judging by the date of Dave's last blog post (1/19), he probably hasn't yet made it to the state line yet.
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
These guys have no business on that road, and I do not wish them luck, I only wish they would get off the highway. |
It's been really disappointing to read the opinions on this board about Dave and bicyclists. Cyclists are no more dangerous than pedestrians,
animals, children playing by the road, slower vehicles, trucks, RV's, trailers, etc - all of which are seen on the roads in Baja far more than
cyclists.
Most of us would never criticize pedestrians or hikers on the road, or the poor guy in front of us pulling a trailer at a slower rate... but a guy on
a bike, whoa, he shouldn't be there! If you think cyclists are a danger to you, then YOU are probably the one who isn't driving safely.
I hope if you all run into Dave down in Baja (no pun intended!), you'll be as friendly as I remember everyone being on this board and offer him some
BajaNomad hospitality. He's gonna be tired, hungry and in need of a cervaza (or two)!
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Timkins
"Cyclists are no more dangerous than pedestrians, animals, children playing by the road, slower vehicles, trucks, RV's, trailers, etc - all of which
are seen on the roads in Baja far more than cyclists"
Hope he makes it...but you have just reinforced the point that it is dangerous to all.
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timperkins
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by rts551Hope he makes it...but you have just reinforced the point that it is dangerous to all. |
*Everything* on and around the road is potentially dangerous. The other cars, RV's and 4x4 vehicles are MUCH more dangerous that Dave. Slow down,
share the road, enjoy the diversity and the danger will be reduced for everyone.
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Sallysouth
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Children playing by the road? In all my years traveling that road (lots) That has never been an issue.
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