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tajo
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Yes, I know Hernan "greñas" - as he is called by neighbors. He is all right - and I also bad experience with the old ranchero of San Luis, some
years ago. He threatened me with a gun, when i arrived to my parked car in the night. It was partly my fault because I came very late, 2 AM - after
exhausting biking to El Topo and return along the all upper rim of Sierra Juarez on foot, but he knew me, he took data from my ID, so waving with the
gun was an exaggeration.
But I have also nice memories from San Luis - when there resided his sister Ophelia. First time, 8 years ago I arrived with my wife and kids ( 2
and 4 ) and Ophelia gave us tortillas, milk, eggs and showed some postcards from her Polish friends - there were also the owner of the "Swiss Chalet"(
Mexican from San Diego - a pity that I lost his address ) - and he invited us to the chalet for overnight. It helped us very much , because next day
we hiked all day long to the Hot Springs, which was not so easy with small kids, without previous knowledge of La Vibora.
Last Monday I arrived from Sausualito and met both: Hernan and the unkind guy - at the gate of San Luis. I had a folder, which was given by the
Guadalupe Hot Springs owner for him, so he said "gracias" and showed me the new detour around his rancho to La Vibora trail, this time without any
rage .
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lobogrande
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howdy
i always have stayed at the top springs on the north side. 20 bucks a night or so and beautiful sites.
is this campo still operating ? $90 per night @ arturo's is just too much for us, even for a sweet setup.
don lobo
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BAJACAT
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Welcome Lobogrande,from where do you get that number($90).I have stay in San Marcos with 3 cars for the weekend,and San marcos is one of the most
expensive that Arturo has,and I only end up paying like $50 for my share of the Whole price..
[Edited on 1-29-2008 by BAJACAT]
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BAJACAT
Welcome Lobogrande,from where do you get that number($90).I have stay in San Marcos with 3 cars for the weekend,and San marcos is one of the most
expensive that Arturo has,and I only end up paying like $50 for my share of the hole price.. |
He probably got it from me since that's what I put in my trip report...?
The prices are all posted on the Guadalupe-Canyon.com website.... $90 for the weekend (2 nights): Your own palapa (or 2 in La Jolla B), private hot
tub, 24 hour running hot water, atmosphere... You know, 'The Baja Feeling'! Heck, a nice dinner with drinks and a movie costs more back home (for just
1 night)!
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BAJACAT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by BAJACAT
Welcome Lobogrande,from where do you get that number($90).I have stay in San Marcos with 3 cars for the weekend,and San marcos is one of the most
expensive that Arturo has,and I only end up paying like $50 for my share of the hole price.. |
He probably got it from me since that's what I put in my trip report...?
The prices are all posted on the Guadalupe-Canyon.com website.... $90 for the weekend (2 nights): Your own palapa (or 2 in La Jolla B), private hot
tub, 24 hour running hot water, atmosphere... You know, 'The Baja Feeling'! Heck, a nice dinner with drinks and a movie costs more back home (for just
1 night)! |
David $90 for the weekend,for how manny cars,just one?
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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David K
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It's on the web site guys... Doesn't matter how many cars... the price is for the campsite (some can only fit one car, others 2-3... So, you can
divide up the cost among the people/ couples if you are sharing...
Here is what is on the website, under 'RATES':
ARTURO'S CAMPO
DeLuxe Sites 1 Night 2 Nights 3 Nights
Name of . . .
CAMPSITE
WEEKDAY
1 night
WEEKEND
2 nights
HOLIDAY
3 nights
One Vehicle . Max. Vehicles
El Castillo $50 $200 - 3 cars $400 - 4 cars
El Dorado $50 $200 - 4 cars $400 - 4 cars
El Mirador $50 $150 - 2 cars $350 - 2 cars
El Sol $50 $200 - 3 cars $400 - 3 cars
La Cueva $50 $200 - 4 cars $400 - 4 cars
La Paloma $50 $150 - 2 cars $300 - 3 cars
San Marcos $75 $275 - 4 cars $500 - 4 cars
La Jolla A $50 $90 - 1 car $200 - 1 car
La Jolla B $50 $90 - 1 car $200 - 2 cars
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It doesn't line up when pasted here, but let's take the site we used for an example: La Jolla B... $50 for 1 night during a weekday (Sun-Thu), $90 for
a 2 night weekend (Fri. & Sat.), $200 for a three night holiday (Fri, Sat, Sun nights or?)... If it was three nights during the week, non-holiday
it would be $150.
Look at the rate page: http://www.guadalupe-canyon.com/price.html
You just cannot compare it with any other Baja or U.S. camping area... It is a thermal hot spring piped into each campsite. The sites are clean, raked
and just plain beautiful.
Loud music & noise is prohibited...
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BAJACAT
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They must of raise the price David,those rates seem to be more that last year.they are getting to be to expensive.IMHO
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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Si, too much. "It is a thermal hot spring piped into each campsite." Always has been - even when it was $10/night without the palapa -- and I'd
rather see the stars. It's not like they have a juice bar and flush toilets too. Agua Caliente off Mex. 3 is $20/nt and they do have flush toilets!
Might be a good deal if 3 trucks and 10 people come and use a site - like so many Mexican families do - but just too much for one or two people. I
love hotsprings and will choose the free ones first; I love to camp and will choose free camping first.
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Barry A.
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When we camped at Guadalupe Canyon in the early 60's there was hot water flowing into several cement spas amongst the palm trees, a couple of tiny
palapas with walls to use as "changing" rooms, and there was a beautiful cool reservoir just down from the hot pools which was about 30 feet wide and
3 feet deep, and there was NOBODY there------no tourists, no proprietors, no structures except the "changing palapas", and no people!!! and no fees,
either.
Them's were the days, my friends!!! 
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Si, too much. "It is a thermal hot spring piped into each campsite." Always has been - even when it was $10/night without the palapa -- and I'd
rather see the stars. It's not like they have a juice bar and flush toilets too. Agua Caliente off Mex. 3 is $20/nt and they do have flush toilets!
Might be a good deal if 3 trucks and 10 people come and use a site - like so many Mexican families do - but just too much for one or two people. I
love hotsprings and will choose the free ones first; I love to camp and will choose free camping first. |
Yes, and gas used to be 30 cents a gallon, too... Things change and not always for the best...
There has been flush toilets there at Arturo's Campo #1 since I first went in 2001... very nice and clean... Not sure how you missed them (they flush
with hot water, naturally!)?
I prefer 'free camping' as well... and those places without any services too, like my favorite place to camp in Baja... Shell Island.
There are other hot springs in Baja and other camp places that are far cheaper... It is simply that there is NO other place like Guadalupe Canyon/
Arturo's Campo where you can have total privacy with an outdoor, under the stars hot tub, palapa for shade, fireplace or pit, and only 3 hours from
San Diego.
Now if the $45 per night price is too much for such a great place to get away to the outdoors with your very own private hot tub filled with natural
spring hot water (that doesn't have a sulfur smell like so many others), then just don't go!!
The fewer the people, the quieter the experience, afterall. I just want those who are interested in a special Baja camping experience to know what's
there, specially after the reported recent fire in the palm trees.
Also, when 'Bug' asked about the petroglyphs near Guadalupe Canyon, it made a great reason to research them to help a fellow Nomad seeking adventure
and historic interest.
$90 once or twice a year for a weekend at Guadalupe Canyon doesn't put me into poverty, specially when you factor in all the cheap or free places I
have camped over the years in Mexico...
Take care...
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
When we camped at Guadalupe Canyon in the early 60's there was hot water flowing into several cement spas amongst the palm trees, a couple of tiny
palapas with walls to use as "changing" rooms, and there was a beautiful cool reservoir just down from the hot pools which was about 30 feet wide and
3 feet deep, and there was NOBODY there------no tourists, no proprietors, no structures except the "changing palapas", and no people!!! and no fees,
either.
Them's were the days, my friends!!! |
The big warm water swimming pool is still there...
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BAJACAT
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I agree with you Dk, there is no place like G-canyon.i don't mind paying that money,like you say.you only go there once or twice a year.plus you get
to see alot of stuff.Compare to San Carlos hot springs in Ensenada,where they charge $ 5 per person to get in for the day,or $8 per person to camp, I
rader pay at Guadalupe canyon.Don't get me wrong I like San carlos,but it doesn't have to much to offer.Regarding Agua caliente hot springs,they need
to do alot of work to attract people there.
Ps.SAN CARLOS IS GREAT,but has no privacy lol,due to locals live close by... here is a picture of S-Carlos in any given weekend.(crowd it)..
ps#2 Somebody needs to go to AGUA CALIENTE,and see if they have made any changes, and do a quick report/with pix.Any nomads that live in Ensenada or
punta banda,are willing to take this task? .I heard,that is under new ownership.
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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lobogrande
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can anybody reply about the upper camp on the north side where i have always stayed? is it open at all? i think this is not arturos but is above his
campo.
$50 per night...hmmm...i could afford it but always prefer cheap or free and wild hot springs. don't think i've ever paid anywhere near that much for
camping by a hot spring. might have to in the future, eh?
what about the canyonman rob guy? he used to have all sorts of bullchit about prepaying before you arrive or you will certainly be told to leave
immediately when you get there. i thought "well, bullchit!" and showed up without an advance reservation. on arrival we passed right by all the
unfriendly signage and chains across roads and ended up inthe upper campo that i am asking about. if it was angel who was our host, he was kind and
friendly. too bad if he got burned out and decided to move along. what's up with his area???
don lobo (aka lobogrande)
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tajo
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I think that they raised prices twice after the fire - because the replacement of all the nylon pipes costed them more than 6000 $.
I paid in fact 50 $ for La Piedra ( S of the stream ) for one car and two persons, i used this only for one night, but the car was left for two
nights more at their parking. They wanted 120$ ( 40$ per night ) , I proposed 50$ what was immediately accepted so maybe their prices are still more negotiable - especially if you alone and
not in a crowded time ???
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lobogrande
can anybody reply about the upper camp on the north side where i have always stayed? is it open at all? i think this is not arturos but is above his
campo.
$50 per night...hmmm...i could afford it but always prefer cheap or free and wild hot springs. don't think i've ever paid anywhere near that much for
camping by a hot spring. might have to in the future, eh?
what about the canyonman rob guy? he used to have all sorts of bullsh-t about prepaying before you arrive or you will certainly be told to leave
immediately when you get there. i thought "well, bullsh-t!" and showed up without an advance reservation. on arrival we passed right by all the
unfriendly signage and chains across roads and ended up inthe upper campo that i am asking about. if it was angel who was our host, he was kind and
friendly. too bad if he got burned out and decided to move along. what's up with his area???
don lobo (aka lobogrande) |
I did report that Angel's Campo #2 or #3 (just past Arturo's) is all gone... burned away... It was cheaper because it had NO privacy, was noisey, and
no room to move about. Angel is no longer there, even before the fire... The PVC pipes did not burn away at Arturo's... But there is new insulation on
them.
The campo on the south side (Palmar) also burned down (it was in the palm grove)... but someone was over there working on it...
Also, in my trip report I told you all that I made reservations through Canyonman Rob... No problem at all... easy as pie.
There are chains across the private campsite driveways at Arturo's so they remain private for the guests who have a reservation. If you show up and a
campsite is not reserved, then you can pay Arturo and he will unlock the chain for you...
It's all about having your own private place to camp and soak...
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lobogrande
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as far as all burned down goes...seems the palms are still standing in both arturo's and angel's (from the fotos). i have camped in various palm
groves around mexico in the past that had burned at some point. i could tell from the charred trunks but the palms seemed to have survived and were
fully fronded a their top. perhaps angels palms will survive and grow new fronds at their tops, and maybe he can replace the pipes where they
burned...???
i recall some attempt to keep the noise down at angels and it was typically very quiet there during the week, and therefore privacy was adequate.
being able to hop from tub to tub when there were few if any other guests was a blast! they all had their own character and i was in heaven.
my first time there was GREAT! we pulled onto the lake bed late in the afternoon and headed south, following the signs and knocking back pacificos. we
had a full moon and a raging wind whipping all the plants and trees back and forth. muy epico! bumped our way up the arroyo and arrived well after
dark to find the mysterious chains across some of the lanes at arturo's, nobody about and the wind howling through the canyon. walked around looking
for but not finding any hot water for a while. finally made it up to the big swimming pool which was nearly empty and cold. then we passed through the
gate to angels campo and found our first hot pool. aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...paradise. if only my buddy bruce was some hot babe! but he wasn't...que
triste. then we discovered another hot pool...and another. we could each have our own pool for a peaceful solitary soak.in fact, we could have several
pools each as the camp seemed to be empty 'cept for us. we must have up most of the night exploring the grounds in the light of a very full moon. it's
definitely one of my favorite things to do, exploring a place i have never been to before in the light of the full moon...muy misterioso! got to do it
this fall on the way to mexico, hiking a mile or 2 to the san francisco river hot springs in the gila wilderness of new mexico. such a rare treat. and
so rico!
¡saludos a todos los viajeros que aman a baja california y su gente muy amable!
ciao for now
don lobo
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David K
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Yes, there is big difference between Arturo's and the other areas in the canyon... You didn't see any of Arturo's hot tubs because they are out of
sight from the road, up a driveway and hidden by boulders or plants... PRIVACY.
Once you passed Arturo's restaurant and enter Angel's you could see the many small, open campsites and tubs, not private.
Arturo's tubs are emptied and sanitzed after a guest leaves (or be curtious and drain the tub when you go), trash (that you neglected to take with
you) is removed and the grounds are raked. Rigo (Arturo's son) was walking to our camp as we were driving away to do the maintenance.
Anyway, you pay for what you get... Angel is no longer there and I think Marco is going to work on it... The palm trunks are all black, but like you
say, the leaves will come back and the tree will live on.
In the meantime, Arturo's is open and mostly unharmed from the fire... Go to his home first to get your camp's driveway opened by showing him the
printout receipt from CanyonmanRob or pay Arturo if a camp is available.
[Edited on 1-31-2008 by David K]
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lobogrande
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who is marco?
did angel leave because of the fire, or had he already moved on?
DL
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lobogrande
who is marco?
did angel leave because of the fire, or had he already moved on?
DL |
In my post above: "Angel is no longer there, even before the fire..."
I believe that Marco is a son or relative of somesort of the Loya family... I think you need to ask 'Hotschott' or 'Canyonmanrob' for the details... I
am just a casual camper there and am reporting on what I see...
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BAJACAT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lobogrande
who is marco?
did angel leave because of the fire, or had he already moved on?
DL |
LOBOGRANDE, who do you work for the PGR.
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