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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
[Only a marooon does demolition via fire. Burning refuse and houses leaves a concentrated residue of metals and PAHs, and that soil is not something
anyone should want in their yard. The future buyers of this property should insist on soil removal and testing to verify acceptable soil conditions
before buying -- at least that's what we would do in the US, if buying a lot after a house fire. Future gringo buyers beware.
In the US, eviction is civilized -- landlords place the belongings on the street for residents to claim. There are laws against destroying peoples
belongings during eviction. Of course, expecting civilized behaviour seems to be silly with the property owner in question. |
i'll refrain from the niceties, goatee. that ain't the good 'ol US.
somebody stop me.....please! |
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why would someone buy or lease contaminated property in mexico, if they wouldn't do so in the US? neither pacifico nor tortillas don't protect you
from lead poisoning.
why does someone think mexican's don't behave civily? my mexican friends do, and if they didn't they would not be friends, nor would i do business
with them.
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Mexicali_Kid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Mexicali_Kid: What are squatter's rights in Mexico? What do they have to do and for how long in order to 'earn' those rights?
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Mexicali_Kid
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If someone is on your property for more than thirty days without your permission, watch out.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexicali_Kid
If someone is on your property for more than thirty days without your permission, watch out. |
You mean the builder and his extended family that live on your property for four to six months ??
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rakers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by rakers
Whoa people!
luv the way some assume the facts.
We are former http://forums.bajanomad.com/images/smilies/no.gif
 residents of the arsonned beach -- the only ones there when the TWO WK evict
notice arrived and were able to recup our investment, baja "treasures", and memories. Most of the others who work in the summer to be able to spend
winters in their PA homes were not so lucky. but they had been in contact with owner and had WRITTEN and verbal assurances that security would be
there until October when they could return.
Re: our "squatter" status: we had a written agreement with the owner as "lessees" and paid her rent for the land usually 6 months in advance. Those
whose places were burned had paid their rent thru November. The notice we received in Nov 07 was that she "was likely" to sell the property but would
give us "a fair term to evacuate". Don't think 2 weeks was fair -- that was the first notification. But after communications, she extended it to 6
weeks, then after attorneys were involved, she agreed to extend and provide security til Oct 15, 08/ |
rakers, thanks for the post. Has the property changed hands? If so, who are the new owners and was it the new or old owners who torched your houses?
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rakers
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k-rico:
Have heard different stories about who is buying it or if it is really sold. There is evidently no official record that the beach is in escrow or
sold. However, our best guess is that an American development co. located in Cabo who is building condos in San Carlos is the potential buyer.
Imagine that the owner got a chunk of down payment $$ and doesn't get the remainder until all "squatters" are removed. She did return our prepaid
rent when we moved out in June anyway.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by rakers
Whoa people!
luv the way some assume the facts.
We are former http://forums.bajanomad.com/images/smilies/no.gif
residents of the arsonned beach -- the only ones there when the TWO WK evict
notice arrived and were able to recup our investment, baja "treasures", and memories. Most of the others who work in the summer to be able to spend
winters in their PA homes were not so lucky. but they had been in contact with owner and had WRITTEN and verbal assurances that security would be
there until October when they could return.
Re: our "squatter" status: we had a written agreement with the owner as "lessees" and paid her rent for the land usually 6 months in advance. Those
whose places were burned had paid their rent thru November. The notice we received in Nov 07 was that she "was likely" to sell the property but would
give us "a fair term to evacuate". Don't think 2 weeks was fair -- that was the first notification. But after communications, she extended it to 6
weeks, then after attorneys were involved, she agreed to extend and provide security til Oct 15, 08/ |
rakers, thanks for the post. Has the property changed hands? If so, who are the new owners and was it the new or old owners who torched your houses?
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no one will ever know who torched that place
Bruce R Leech
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Bajajack
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Since this was obviously a
gringo encampment I'm sure the authorities are on top of it and are in process of launching a full and thorough investigation.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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TENGOMIEDO
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What are the names of the bad guys and where exactly do they live. Does anyone know this information.
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loki
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
What are the names of the bad guys and where exactly do they live. Does anyone know this information. |
Your kidding right.
The baddest bad guy was in state government until his 3 year term expired recently.There will be no names here.
I want the truth. Do not give me B$
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In my earlier posting (page 2) I offered to take pix of this mess..........
.......this coming Saturday and post them. At this point, pictures have already been posted...so much for my Big Scoop.
In addition, I have been cautioned by two very trusted local folks/friends that I might be best to mind my own business.....I may not be welcome there
right now by the beach owner and even by the local police in this heated state. One local lightly suggesed that the police might have been consulted
before the fires begin.... supportive?... involved?...???
Bottom line, and thankful for local advice, I will keep my ear to the ground but will not walk on it until I feel it is safe.
News may not be at 11 afterall
Things are expensive, but at least we get a free trip around the sun once a year
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tsgarcia69
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
What are the names of the bad guys and where exactly do they live. Does anyone know this information. |
Stroll into the immigration office is Santa Rosalia and ask Senior Ismael Cosio Ojeda who they are. If you make it back to the US alive, you can
report their names to us. The Mexicans are driving out all the American and Canadian developers in the area with extortion demands and picking up
their properties cheap.
The people who loki mentioned are just trying to stay under the radar. I wish them good luck.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
this is NOT true...
the owner notifed the RENTERS in NOVEMBER 2007
the renters chose not to move out... |
Hi Bob & Susan,
I am wondering, did the renters tell you this or the land owner? Would so many of them just ignore the owner's demand and let their property be
destroyed??? I can see a few may not have been able to pull out... but nearly all of them?
Burning structures and autos to the ground sure seems dramatic. Hauling them off or bulldozing them aside seems not nearly as violent an action. I
wonder why the violence was deemed necessary, or do you think it was just a more primitive method that was employed?
Of course, as long as I have been going to Mexico I have heard the words said: "Never invest in Mexico more than you can afford to lose".
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Seems so but karma transends borders and boundries.People tend to abuse power. Landlords,military and even people in the political arenas. Every
despot will pay one way or another. If these people were displace without real notice for a timely bug-out, then it could be a case of "absolute power
corrupting absolutely"
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loki
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Bob and Susan,
Check your u2u.
I want the truth. Do not give me B$
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ELINVESTIG8R
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This is no landlord tenant dispute! What's next? Killing people to get them off land someone wants to develop?
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It sounds like the lady that owns the property was making an honest effort to deal fairly with the renters. According to post, she refunded money,
gave extended time to remove personal property etc. I'm betting, 1. A hairbrained relative had one too many and thought he was being helpful. 2. One
of the renters did it for insurance purposes.
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Woody - the old Goat thinks this event happened at leave it to Beaver's house on father knows best lane in donna reed town.
he don't get it, this is mexico. rules? those are for ......... oh, its not worth the time...
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
Woody - the old Goat thinks this event happened at leave it to Beaver's house on father knows best lane in donna reed town.
he don't get it, this is mexico. rules? those are for ......... oh, its not worth the time... |
no, i am in total agreement that mexico is a very violent place, and it aint mayberry rfd, and is in fact closer to columbia that US on the scale of
violence. i also know that many mexicans are honest and abhor violence. you on the other hand think all mexicans are violent?
still, what american in their right mind would buy any lot after one of the previous owners (or maybe current owner) burned out the last tenant? the
toxic soil is a problem, but more importantly the history of land disputes being solved by arson is more than enough infor to deter any future buyer
from the property. in the future, one must assume that arson will be used again to solve disputes on this parcel. the future owners should run from
this property, as their is a sociopath in the ownership chain. the new american owners won't have much luck selling their new resort properties if
the arson story stays known.
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David K
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What is with this 'toxic soil' stuff you keep bringing up goat?
Fires happen, houses burn down, and they are rebuilt... on the same site. I don't see anything special happening with the soil before the rebuild. You
think Baja has a tougher building code than Calif.?
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