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stimbo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
But the highway wasn't designed for oversized RVs towing 26ft cruisers either....I don't hear anyone saying they endanger others.
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Skipjack Joe
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Disminuya su Velocidad
Bajaboy, I agree with everything you say and support your point of view as many others do.
All those classes of vehicles, motorcyclists, and cyclists need to share that highway as it's the only one. Why are vacationing cyclists being
targeted? Why not the Mexican worker commuting to work on his bicycle? Or a slow moving tractor pulling tomatoes near San Quintin. Or another one
working the fields near Vizcaino. Why should a local driving a clunker be kept off the road?
Yes, they're all dangerous.
Don't think those truckers plying the road aren't having the same conversations about us. I'm sure they feel we're dangerous to them as they're
carrying much more weight and can't react as quickly as our cars. Many of those overturned trucks we see by the side of the road were caused by cars.
Some - by gringo cars.
A lot of this seems to be related to trying to cram as much into a vacation as possible. Trying to make a weekend trip to GR. Trying to put on 500-600
miles a day. Pushing to drive the entire peninsula in 3 days. Why should the leisurely vacationer not have a right to do it at their pace? They're not
even asking you to slow down. They're just asking you to respect their right to share the road with you.
[Edited on 12-6-2008 by Skipjack Joe]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by stimbo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
But the highway wasn't designed for oversized RVs towing 26ft cruisers either....I don't hear anyone saying they endanger others.
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I think a tourist on a bike has as much right to use the road as a tourist in an SUV or RV. Thankfully, most countries have laws that grant all
vehicles equal rights to road, in most cases. If anything, the lowest-carbon-footprint mode of transport is morally superior, and the morally
inferior traveler should quit being such a pig 
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stimbo
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"Clearly," these bike racers caused this accident.....
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David K
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See what you want... but my comments were on the highway's purpose and design... not on bike riders 'rights' in Mexico. There originally were
billboards saying what the highway was made for (Economic Development... and not for high speed driving)... But, definetly not for bike riders... God
help them!
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Aren't bike riders tourists...thus aiding in economic development? DK-according to you the road was for tourists...the cyclists are
tourists...right?! So your theory is a bit flawed or at least contradicting.
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In 1973, the idea of economic development from tourism was aimed for the masses expected to arrive in automobiles, not bicycles. That would have
caused a laughing storm... me thinks!
The highway was NOT built for bicycles, plain and simple... They are finally widening it, and when there is a shoulder, I will be all for those bike
riders on the highway... until then, it is a danger to EVERYONE ELSE and them.
There are plenty of dirt road alternate routes until then, and I am happy to help guide them!!
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Skipjack Joe
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When the highway was completed they placed green signs everywhere warning drivers to drive slowly as the highway had been built for the economic
development of the baja's inhabitants. That meant it's main purpose was for commercial transportation - not tourism. It meant that it was built to
improve the lives of baja natives. It essentially told tourists to drive fast at your own risk and those of others. It did not imply in any way that
cyclists did not belong on that road. It implied that fast drivers did not belong on that road.
Correction: it didn't imply it. It clearly stated it in spanish.
[Edited on 12-6-2008 by Skipjack Joe]
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Heard that Lance Armstrong and his team are going to use Baja #1 for training purposes.
But they'll have their support vehicles to protect them from you crazy gringo speeders.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Heard that Lance Armstrong and his team are going to use Baja #1 for training purposes.
But they'll have their support vehicles to protect them from you crazy gringo speeders.
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Seems to be quite a bit of agreement that the danger to and from the bike riders is from gringo speeders.
Lots of assumptions have been made about those who think it is dangerous---interesting assumptions. Lots of seers of all around here.
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Diane,
I'll have to admit that when I'm stalled in commuter traffic coming home and I see a motorcyle weaving along the divider line to the very front of the
line I do get a very strong urge to open my front door. Having to endure the traffic and the unfairness of the law giving them the right to do this is
just too much sometimes.
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Why not the Mexican worker commuting to work on his bicycle? Or a slow moving tractor pulling tomatoes near San Quintin. Or another one working the
fields near Vizcaino. Why should a local driving a clunker be kept off the road?
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DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Diane,
I'll have to admit that when I'm stalled in commuter traffic coming home and I see a motorcyle weaving along the divider line to the very front of the
line I do get a very strong urge to open my front door. Having to endure the traffic and the unfairness of the law giving them the right to do this is
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Igor,
Yea, we all get impatient at times and I worry about those motorcyle riders in that kind of traffic. Nurses I know call them donors.
Some of defenders who have made real assumptions about others remind me of my grandmother right before she lost her license in her 90s.
Everytime she drove anywhere, she not only almost got into accidents, there were always people yelling at her--not always saying nice things. Some
even told her she was going to cause other people to get into accidents.
According to her, it all was because young people drove too fast, were not careful, and they yelled because they were very unhappy high strung people.
It was NEVER her fault, because as she would say, she drove very slowly and carefully and she had a right to be on the roads. Forty-five on the
freeway was a perfectly good speed.
Just an observation
Back to figuring out what *at* means.
[Edited on 12-6-2008 by jdtrotter]
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What ever happened to Nadine? the person who started this thread? I wonder if she's changed her mind?
Forget about the danger and think of the fun.
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That answers it! We must have the most grandmothers on the road!
I'm still trying to figure out this:
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Now THAT'S obviously quoting a quote?
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David K
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I wonder how bike riders would feel if us automobile and truck drivers started driving on bike paths??? I mean I will spend the same money on energy
drinks and food bars at the end of the path... don't I have rights on the same road as those bikes?
What did you say, 'the bike path wasn't made for cars and trucks... it's too narrow'... ?
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Igor, I am going to disagree with one part of your reply above...
One prime reason for HWY. 1 was indeed for tourists... to bring them down to Baja easily for economic development... The signs did say that in both
languages... and it also said 'not for high speed driving' (but not 5-10 mph behind bikes). There was little need for a lot of commercial
transportation until the growth in business from all the gringos flooding south to enjoy Baja... on the new highway...
Remeber the Paradors built at San Quintin, Cataviña, L.A. Bay Jcn (still called Parador Punta Prieta by some), 28º Parallel and San Ignacio... for
tourists to have a place to get fuel, food, take a rest, showers, trailer parks, and an El Presidente Hotel (except Punta Prieta)? There was nothing
or almost nothing for travelers needs in central Baja (San Quintin to San Ignacio) when the highway was completed and opened on Dec. 1, 1973.
The towns grew and private enterprise filled the travelers needs... the Paradors went out of business (as cafes and rest areas)... Highway One brought
the business into Baja (tourists) and then carried the supplies for all the new business. It's a chicken or the egg sort of thing maybe, but tourism
in Baja was definetly a faster growth cause than if no gringos traveled to Baja.
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| Quote: | There was little need for a lot of commercial transportation until the growth in business from all the gringos flooding south to enjoy Baja... on
the new highway...
The towns grew and private enterprise filled the travelers needs... the Paradors went out of business (as cafes and rest areas)... Highway One brought
the business into Baja (tourists) and then carried the supplies for all the new business. It's a chicken or the egg sort of thing maybe, but tourism
in Baja was definetly a faster growth cause than if no gringos traveled to Baja. |
What a bunch of BS. It was agriculture that brought the requirement for commercial traffic. Not the tourist"flooding south"
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I think Nadine and her amigos are en route now...by the way, they never planned to bike the highway much...they were going to take a bus or hire a van
to get them to GN, then they were trying to get permission to bike the back way to Asuncion, then the coast road down to Abreojos etc...mostly
sticking to off roading...so this thread is kinda funny as they wanted to off road it as much as possible....the original suggestion to post here was
to maybe get some info, some logistical assistance about busses etc...and maybe make a few friends they might visit on the way....they are biking down
the continent and I for one wish them a great trip.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
| Quote: | There was little need for a lot of commercial transportation until the growth in business from all the gringos flooding south to enjoy Baja... on
the new highway...
The towns grew and private enterprise filled the travelers needs... the Paradors went out of business (as cafes and rest areas)... Highway One brought
the business into Baja (tourists) and then carried the supplies for all the new business. It's a chicken or the egg sort of thing maybe, but tourism
in Baja was definetly a faster growth cause than if no gringos traveled to Baja. |
What a bunch of BS. It was agriculture that brought the requirement for commercial traffic. Not the tourist"flooding south" |
No norte, not BS.. facts... The ag came after the tourist in the El Rosario to San Ignacio section... There was NO town of Vizcaino or all those other
desert ejidos before the highway... Only an American developed test ranch called 'Wilson' (now refered to as El Piloto) to prove the desert could
provide crops using pre-historic water (from the Ice Age, it was said).
The highway benefited everyone for sure, but it was for economic development which in the beginning was tourism more than anything else... I was there
before and after the highway was built... wrote books about it... no BS, I promiss!
This is a 1962 map... and was accurate for 10 years (1972)... Note 'Wilson' very near where Vizcaino is today... the other small sites in the area are
all ranches or sites...
[Edited on 12-7-2008 by David K]
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Yep DK-the hotels were built for those tourists traveling in cars...not huge RVs. So again, the highway wasn't built for bicycles or the monster RVs
or huge trucks that are all over the road. Why are you singling out bikes? I think you're missing the point here....there are a lot of dangers on
the highway...to say that bikes are the biggest danger is laughable. I've seen my share of broken driver side mirrors....oh but I'm sure that was the
fault of some cyclist....give me a break.
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