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[*] posted on 6-24-2009 at 06:32 PM


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Well the bracelet was to show you paid a fee as a tourist. Remember, way back in the thread? Go back Buck. Go back.


Ya bird, we're way past that. Try to keep up will you.




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[*] posted on 6-24-2009 at 07:08 PM


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Ah, choices and more choices. How far does the $5 go with the ladies in the bar in Vizcaino? Joe Buck, if you stay on the main highway you'll have less user fees to pay and you can still satisfy some of your Baja habits and itches, not have to worry about "who got what and what was it for?" You'll know pretty well the answers to those questions after about 10 days.


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Emphasis on the ITCH!!!!




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[*] posted on 6-24-2009 at 07:45 PM


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Emphasis on the ITCH!!!!



And the BURN. OUCH
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[*] posted on 6-24-2009 at 08:18 PM


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Well the bracelet was to show you paid a fee as a tourist. Remember, way back in the thread? Go back Buck. Go back.


Ya bird, we're way past that. Try to keep up will you.


Okay, I'll ask for about the 5th time, can anyone tell me who needs a bracelet? I've put the question out to a few folks who keep coming back at me implying I don't want to pay a fee. I keep asking who has to pay and what is the money for? And why isn't there a written record of this? If it is written policy then there would be no chance for someone's reputation to be "smeared."

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[*] posted on 6-24-2009 at 08:23 PM


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Emphasis on the ITCH!!!!



And the BURN. OUCH


All I can say is you guys are definately doing it wrong!




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[*] posted on 6-24-2009 at 08:29 PM


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Emphasis on the ITCH!!!!



And the BURN. OUCH


All I can say is you guys are definately doing it wrong!


The Loreto Marine park bracelets don't burn.:biggrin:




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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 02:04 AM


Ya, none of the poachers stealing all of the fish out of the park have been burned have they. They set their gill nets all around the "park".
Or that big tuna clipper with helicopter in there scooping up all your fish.
I doubt if they bought a band either.
Only honest people buy the band. And yes, they are getting burned.

[Edited on 6-25-2009 by fishbuck]




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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 05:44 AM


and do i have to wear the bracelet ALL YEAR LONG in between road trips back and forth?



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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 06:08 AM


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Ya, none of the poachers stealing all of the fish out of the park have been burned have they. They set their gill nets all around the "park".
Or that big tuna clipper with helicopter in there scooping up all your fish.
I doubt if they bought a band either.
Only honest people buy the band. And yes, they are getting burned.

[Edited on 6-25-2009 by fishbuck]


The man has a point. This is my biggest complaint about the whole concept of conservation of species in Mexico.

It's like NAFTA. Sounded so good.........Free Trade Agreement. Problem is, it benefits mostly businesses and the rest of us still pay 17% or so to get our HOUSEHOLD goods down to our house.




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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 07:09 AM


when in BA will Jamie and /or Shari have yearly "bracelets" available ????
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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 08:32 AM


"de actividades como limpieza de áreas, vigilancia, monitoreos, protección y activities such as cleaning up areas, surveillance, monitoring, protection and acciones de restauración. restoration action"

Obviously they've looked the other way at Mag Bay and let the turtles be slaughtered on a regular basis. They must know this and do nothing.
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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 08:47 AM


"who needs a bracelet?"

For now, if you are within a biosphere reserve and are participating in an activity that apparently has a definitive parameter that can be taxed with the fee - such as fishing with a panguero, spending the day at an island, camping at an established campground within the reserve (probably this is still to come-e.g., coming soon at Rene's? camping at Bahia san Ignacio?), whale watching. and maybe cave painting tours now (INAH permit, camera permit, guide fee, biosphere preserve fee). Taxing the activities within Viscaino is emerging and as resources allow, guidelines will become clearer. For now, to be aware of the policy is all you need to know - if someone hits you up for the fee, you'll know why.
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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 08:54 AM


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"who needs a bracelet?"

For now, if you are within a biosphere reserve and are participating in an activity that apparently has a definitive parameter that can be taxed with the fee - such as fishing with a panguero, spending the day at an island, camping at an established campground within the reserve (probably this is still to come-e.g., coming soon at Rene's? camping at Bahia san Ignacio?), whale watching. and maybe cave painting tours now (INAH permit, camera permit, guide fee, biosphere preserve fee). Taxing the activities within Viscaino is emerging and as resources allow, guidelines will become clearer. For now, to be aware of the policy is all you need to know - if someone hits you up for the fee, you'll know why.


Is this your opinion or fact? Do you have anything in writing as I have heard other activities "might" be subject. Again, I have no problem with the fees but am trying to sort through the gray areas.




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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 09:15 AM


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"who needs a bracelet?"

For now, if you are within a biosphere reserve and are participating in an activity that apparently has a definitive parameter that can be taxed with the fee - such as fishing with a panguero, spending the day at an island, camping at an established campground within the reserve (probably this is still to come-e.g., coming soon at Rene's? camping at Bahia san Ignacio?), whale watching. and maybe cave painting tours now (INAH permit, camera permit, guide fee, biosphere preserve fee). Taxing the activities within Viscaino is emerging and as resources allow, guidelines will become clearer. For now, to be aware of the policy is all you need to know - if someone hits you up for the fee, you'll know why.


One more question....so would the tour operator be responsible for determining if a person was exempt for paying the fee? That is, say a resident was going whale watching, would the whale watching operator decide that person did not need a bracelet? Or if someone from Santa Rosalia decided to camp at Shari's campground, would she determine whether or not those people needed to pay the extra $5 per person per night?

Thanks in advance for helping clear the air a bit.




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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 09:57 AM


I just stumbled across this thread and browsed through all the posts. My only comment is that economic times must really be tough when folks can get so worked up over five dollars.

I think there are much bigger fish to fry out there folks. You are spending more than five dollars a day just in the amount gas has increased in the last several months if you live north of the border. You are saving much more than five dollars a day in the peso:dollar exchange rate compared to when it was 10:1.

As far as where the five dollars goes? If it works like north of the border the money probably goes to Mexico City to be doled back out in federally funded, local programs. And yes, they will probably take a cut.

You can have my five dollars and I promise not to even ask...

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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 10:05 AM


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I just stumbled across this thread and browsed through all the posts. My only comment is that economic times must really be tough when folks can get so worked up over five dollars.

I think there are much bigger fish to fry out there folks. You are spending more than five dollars a day just in the amount gas has increased in the last several months if you live north of the border. You are saving much more than five dollars a day in the peso:dollar exchange rate compared to when it was 10:1.

As far as where the five dollars goes? If it works like north of the border the money probably goes to Mexico City to be doled back out in federally funded, local programs. And yes, they will probably take a cut.

You can have my five dollars and I promise not to even ask...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


You missed the salient points of the discussion (not my points but the general points are:

The fee is an arbitrary fee to be collected from certain people and not others

The fee is for undertermined reasons

How the fees are managed is unclear

The justification and authorization of the fee is unclear

Its possible the manner in which the fee is applied will have negative impact on the local economies

Its possible the fee will not positively impact the gross polluters
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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 10:12 AM


Personally I would consider the fee to be something which can occur when dealing with commercial operators only. This is voluntary and not something that would be demanded of the general population who can neither afford it nor can justify it, obviously.

And yes I have seen many tour operators be flexible about the fee with consideration for those who can not afford or can not justify paying.

It appears on the surface the only people who qualify to pay are FM-T holders who are on commercial tours who can pay directly through their package purchase.
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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 12:14 PM


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I just stumbled across this thread and browsed through all the posts. My only comment is that economic times must really be tough when folks can get so worked up over five dollars.

I think there are much bigger fish to fry out there folks. You are spending more than five dollars a day just in the amount gas has increased in the last several months if you live north of the border. You are saving much more than five dollars a day in the peso:dollar exchange rate compared to when it was 10:1.

As far as where the five dollars goes? If it works like north of the border the money probably goes to Mexico City to be doled back out in federally funded, local programs. And yes, they will probably take a cut.

You can have my five dollars and I promise not to even ask...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


maybe we can plan on having a stack of 5's to hand out to everyone who simply asks for the "fee"?

so do i have to wear the bracelet year round, until the new color comes out or can i keep it in the glove box?




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[*] posted on 6-25-2009 at 03:24 PM


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I just stumbled across this thread and browsed through all the posts. My only comment is that economic times must really be tough when folks can get so worked up over five dollars.

I think there are much bigger fish to fry out there folks. You are spending more than five dollars a day just in the amount gas has increased in the last several months if you live north of the border. You are saving much more than five dollars a day in the peso:dollar exchange rate compared to when it was 10:1.

As far as where the five dollars goes? If it works like north of the border the money probably goes to Mexico City to be doled back out in federally funded, local programs. And yes, they will probably take a cut.

You can have my five dollars and I promise not to even ask...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


It's not about the $5 and you know that.




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[*] posted on 6-26-2009 at 03:30 PM


Hi everyone...did ya miss me????

just back from a wonderful few days in San roque (which could really use a litter clean up...jaime says next year they will do san roque)

dianne, I hope you dont feel I am trying to smear Jaime in any way...I mentioned the gray areas and have only provided the answers he gave me to my questions...he is in a tough position all right and we will all have to smooth out the wrinkles in this.

the bracelets have been being used in the whale lagoons for a few years now and the reserve is just expanding their enforcement into our area now that it is getting more attention.

Woody...the passport is like a card you carry in your wallet and is good for a year in any reserve in the country...so no bracelet.

I bought a dozen "day" bracelets for our visitors but still am not clear on who exactly has to buy them...perhaps I can use my "criteria" too. Jaime sells them out of his garage office and the passport you have to get in GN but maybe Jaime might have them in the future. He is a nice man who speaks very good english and is just doing his job, he is very busy patrolling the area and organizing basura clean up etc. so isn't always home (which is why I bought some bracelets...so you can get them from me too sports fans....46 pesos)

Lets start with people going out on a panga...fishing or touring. But I am concerned about where it says activities like surfing, biking, swimming, camping, horseback riding etc. will be taxed too. I was told by the whale watchers that they havent asked for bracelets at the bike rental places yet.
I dont know about camping on private property within the municipality...but sounds like camping on the beach might apply.

I will keep you all posted on updates as my questions get answered. The idea was to let you all know that this was happening in our area...as well as campo rene, la bocana, abreojos etc.

What IS sad is that some very good fishing guides are unable to work as it really is challenging getting all the permits and they dont have the skills or money to do this...you have to be very serious to jump through the hoops and pay for it all...its a sizeable investment and we may raise our prices in order to try to get back some of our costs.

I hope this answers some of the questions although there are still alot of muddy waters to navigate.




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