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tripledigitken
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DENNIS
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Back where we belong for our discussion.
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DENNIS
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Are you still awake. Its after eight you know..... |
Coffee. Lots of coffee.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Coffee. Lots of coffee. |
A couple of shots of Kahlua or Baileys can improve that a degree or two...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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Dennis, I wasn't seeing the sun rise from the crack UNDER the door. It was the crack going out the door which led me to the sunrise.
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Don't worry, Gull. You'll have other opportunities. Perhaps your best op of the future will be to go up to Daves place and hover over the dumpster.
I know he likes you and would feel good knowing you're well fed. |
you guys are CRAZY!!!!! damn, glad to know ya!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
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Dam that realll sucks I cannt believe they would rob Rickys place how much
money can they get there few hundred at the most these guys are
desperate.
Just one Semi automatic gun they carry cost around 3k right now and they
would risk all that over a few hundred dollars it doesnt make sense?
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Exactly, makes no sense whatsoever. The projected image is of AFI uniformed officers making a public scene for no benefit other than to make a scene.
You see in the news recently a huge increase in news of cartel influence-hundreds if not thousands of reports, many cartel 'interviews', it seems
exaggerated, orchestrated and theatrical. The cartel's influence hasn't changed, while the reporting has along with very public incidents.
It would appear on the surface that at the moment there is an attempt to conflate evidence that a huge threat exists from the Mexican cartels
influence, while we know that there is huge influence from 400 billion in US funding, hundreds of millions of funding for news stories, massive
sensationalizing over non-existent "flu" threat etc... and there are huge drug profits.
So it would appear that Mexico is under a heavily funded assault to hurt the regular people economically and to make it a scape goat worldwide
suggesting (falsely) the need for greater military funding and to use these issues as a distraction from issues which should be addressed such as
improvements in education, infrastructure, and health.
New boss same as the old boss.
While I would not deny the validity of some reports-such as the Ricky's incident, in general, it appears to be highly funded and massively
orchestrated attempt by the US to create the image that Mexico is the source of problems that must be addressed by US military while in fact these
issues are largely orchestrated by US military operations.
In particular, the huge and sudden increase in media hyperbole is evidence.
The solution is forget about looking to politicians or military for help-they are of no help, take it upon yourselves to organize locally and manage
your cities locally and stop funding the military and restrict their presence, military belongs on bases and on the borders not in cities.
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Good Lord, I almost agree with gnukid here...perhaps from a different point of view a little, huh?
I have often pondered how and why it seems like the media has taken an interest in these events in BCN.
Could it be to formulate some sort of over exagerated concern for our neighbors to the south, so the public will back off on the open border policies?
Those who are allowed to come here paying no dues for the blessing to do so, reaping the benefits of all our hard work are a guaranteed voting block.
This will keep those who want to dismantle our country in power long term??? Food for thought.
Its been a while since I have made it across the border to surf my favorite spots, ( work related, not any fear) but I couldn't resist with the big
southy this last week.
I have to admit I was a little anxious as to what I might find. Perhaps businesses boarded up and shattered shells of humans shuffeling about.
I'm pleased to say that from Rosarito south it all seemed business aws usual. Lots of traffic, folks friendly, taco stands open.
My friend and I chatted with a bright eyed young local surfer on the beach after we got out of the water from our first session. We asked about
goings on in his hood. Told him we were sorry for all the grief they must be going through. Armando, just smiled and assured us everything was OK.
The surf shop he works at is open and doing fine, shops and stores are open. He asked, "aren't you guys having economic troubles too"? He also
commented that the bad guys can kill each other all they want, more dead is less bad guys, just like on "el otro lado". Smart kid!
We got alot of brass pointing fingers any where else with what is going on in our country on many levels IMHO.
Anyway, fantastic day, pumping surf, took 50+ house sized waves on the head as it was kinda out of control, sheet glass ocean, mid 60s water, torta
grinds at favorite stand, 1hr border wait.
"Mankind will not be judged by their faults, but by the direction of their lives." Leo Giovinetti
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"I have often pondered how and why it seems like the media has taken an interest in these events in BCN."
Me too.
I think this is the reason:
Schadenfreude
I'm not buying gnukid's theory.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
"I have often pondered how and why it seems like the media has taken an interest in these events in BCN."
Me too.
I think this is the reason:
Schadenfreude
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Please do not project upon me theories.
Clearly we have posed questions about the clearly suspicions nature of these patterns of events surrounding the terror incidents and reporting of
similar incidents over time.
In this thread we noted the highly theatrical nature of the robbery by people in AFI uniforms. Odd, not the first time this has happened.
We noted the previous history of training and funding drug interdiction with US Military cross border training and the resulting Zetas gang with
highly violent and precision military tactics, the increased funding from US to Mexico of 400 million dollars, military media buying budgets,
increased deaths and numbers of events and increased drug/arms smuggling.
I noted the announcement of this weeks NLE National Level Exercises training foreign Military and US Military inside the US for terrorism exercises
which have in the past included staging terror including hand books of how to stage false flag terror.
Please do your own research and come to your own conclusions.
I have no idea why these events continue or by whom.
If you have any more information please post links to references.
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Gnukid,
Something for you to spin your liberal slant at.
Columbia has beat back the drug cartels to a great extent, with the help of the US "imperial" forces. Funny, but to me that seems like a template
for Mexico to follow.
Ken
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There is allot of what goes on out there currently Gnu, that for sure sucks.
Media spin for a focused agenda, I agree 100%.
Interesting???? a bias,very possible.
Research?
I gathered a little info from the street, plugged right into the thoughts of someone who is living things, a smart and articulate person for his age
too.
My conclusions are currently valid until I decide otherwise. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Gnukid,
Something for you to spin your liberal slant at.
Columbia has beat back the drug cartels to a great extent, with the help of the US "imperial" forces. Funny, but to me that seems like a template
for Mexico to follow.
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I agree with Ken on this.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Columbia has beat back the drug cartels to a great extent, with the help of the US "imperial" forces. Funny, but to me that seems like a template
for Mexico to follow.
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Arn't they still the #1 supplier of Cocaine with Mexico their major customer?
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Colombia is a far cry from what it once was that's for sure.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Colombia is a far cry from what it once was that's for sure. |
That's probably true, David. I'm just wondering how far back they have actually been beaten. Or, has the government taken over the agriculture
interests of the country.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Colombia is a far cry from what it once was that's for sure. |
That's probably true, David. I'm just wondering how far back they have actually been beaten. Or, has the government taken over the agriculture
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Dennis you crack me up brother!
I do not have any firsthand knowledge of government corruption in Colombia but I'm sure it exists. As far as the government growing coca bushes I
doubt it.
Mexico can only benefit from Colombia’s knowledge in their lessons learned while combating their drug war. Regardless of what anyone says I feel
Mexico is doing a darn good job in taking down the drug cartels and are continually learning new techniques to be even better. Unfortunately more
honest men and women will loose their lives for their country in their continuing effort to combat the drug trade. All those who die in the line of
duty are patriots and deserve never to be forgotten.
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It amuses me that Ken puts quotes around "imperial", and then modifies the so-called success in Columbia. Fact is that drugs continue to be an immense
source of wealth, just as the freakin' military-industrial thing is for fighting it. This is totally surreal. The wealth of nations being sucked dry
over an unwinable conflict. But the folks involved don't give a raton's culo. They just keep getting richer. On both sides.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
It amuses me that Ken puts quotes around "imperial", and then modifies the so-called success in Columbia. Fact is that drugs continue to be an immense
source of wealth, just as the freakin' military-industrial thing is for fighting it. This is totally surreal. The wealth of nations being sucked dry
over an unwinable conflict. But the folks involved don't give a raton's culo. They just keep getting richer. On both sides. |
I'm here to amuse you amigo, just as you continue to amuse me! We do share a love of Baja I trust?
The other stuff will get worked out in time regardless of which political fence you may sit on.
Ken
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YUP !
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Columbia has beat back the drug cartels to a great extent, with the help of the US "imperial" forces. Funny, but to me that seems like a template
for Mexico to follow.
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Arn't they still the #1 supplier of Cocaine with Mexico their major customer? |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Columbia has beat back the drug cartels to a great extent, with the help of the US "imperial" forces. Funny, but to me that seems like a template
for Mexico to follow.
Ken |
Arn't they still the #1 supplier of Cocaine with Mexico their major customer? |
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You're not disputing the fact that the quality of life in Columbia has improved because of the break-up of the cartels? That fact, I believe is not
in question.
The important fact about Columbia is that the crime stemming from the cartels is way down. Tourist industry is returning, some normalcy has returned
to many of the cities that were controlled by the cartels. (just ask Ken Cooke) If your goal is to eliminate the production of drugs you're going to
be dissapointed, but if you are looking to reduce the violence from the cartels, then Columbia is a model to emulate.
Or, you can just give up and live the crappy life with the status quo that many of you complain about so often.
Ken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Mexico can only benefit from Colombia’s knowledge in their lessons learned while combating their drug war. |
Well, I don't get it. If Colombia waged a successful war against the illicit drug undustry, how is Colombia still the number one producer?
I think all they did was kick some cartel butt, but somebody is still running the show. Who's growing all that stuff for whom?
Seems like the war in Colombia was to get the cartels off the streets...which they did. Wasn't the production of cocaine an issue in the war?
Splain it to me, David...Please.
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