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toneart
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I'm afraid the anti-science right Wingnut has attacked this thread and knocked it out. "Who me? I never start it. I'm innocent."  
We have tried to give this blinded biased Wingnut chance after chance. We want to like him, but he continually intrudes and disrupts with his
nonsense.
I am sorry for Ascuncion and the people who lost their plane. The flying discussion was interesting too, but I am not going to open this string again
because it has been ruined. 
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Hook
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Even with the quick theft of the hospital plane, there had to be persons on the ground in Asuncion who knew of its pending arrival, probably days in
advance. There must have been logistics needed for whatever services that plane was providing; supplies or medical services.
Then, this plane is there for three days before the theft.
I would lean heavily on the local operative theory, especially due to the second scenario. They had to get the logistics over there and that took 3
days.
Did the pilot file a flight plan specifying Asuncion as his final destination?
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shari
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yes he did...in ensenada which is why it's possible there is someone on the inside there....most pilots dont put asuncion as their destination which
may be why tourist planes havent been stolen before.
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So somebody there was "watching" the owner pilot all day saturday and waiting for him to make the final check on his plane before the sunday takeoff.
The guy finds everything OK and leaves to go back to the hotel. Then the thieves safely go to work. That's the scary part that Shari is talking
about.
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shari
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he didnt make a final check...they just glanced over while they were hiking in another area late saturday afternoon and saw it was there. theives came
under the cover of darkness and took off well before first light.
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capt. mike
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"Did the pilot file a flight plan specifying Asuncion as his final destination?"
only would be the case if he departed a towered controlled airport in mexico with Asuncion as his intended destination.
if he came in from an uncontrolled strip like Chivato or BOLA there would have been no FP needed or req'd for that matter.
the rules:
tower to tower FP req'd
tower to non tower FP req'd
non tower to tower or non tower FP not req'd.
anytime in positve mex controlled airspace - check in, identify who/what you are, where you came from, where you're going.
then they see if you are in the system or supposed to be.
lots of guys will fly under class C floors to avoid talking. Some turn off their discrete transponders or disable mode C if transitioning controlled
airspace.
most of the airspace in baja is uncontrolled and there are only a few towers.
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DENNIS
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Hate to see it happen but, it just goes on the list of things not to do in Baja.
Don't drive at night.
Don't camp in isolated places.
Don't park your plane in unguarded places.
A few more new additions to the list and this place will be nothing but a memory. Everything is deteriorating in spite of efforts to improve and the
cancer is spreading.
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shari
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a pilot just informed me there have also been plane thefts in la paz...where it is guarded by the military....so sheesh....guarded or not...plane
jacking is pretty popular these days no matter where ya park.
he checked in in Ensenada and filed his flight plan there naming Asuncion as a destination.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Hate to see it happen but, it just goes on the list of things not to do in Baja.
Don't drive at night.
Don't camp in isolated places.
Don't park your plane in unguarded places.
A few more new additions to the list and this place will be nothing but a memory. Everything is deteriorating in spite of efforts to improve and the
cancer is spreading. |
It is just so really sad. I guess the blinders regarding our area need to be thrown away. 
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No part of Baja seems to be untouched by this cancer. The question I'm asking myself recently is how much worse does it have to get before i give
Baja a timeout.
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elgatoloco
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I am wondering if it is 'standard operating procedure' for the cops to take photos of an airplane as mentioned in the account given by the
pilot/owner? Are the photos for their scrapbook?
Just curious.
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shari
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the cop was the kid/cop Leri who Dianne posted a photo of on his skateboard at the cop shop one day. He's a sweet boy and loves planes and so he took
a photo of it on his cell phone and was showing us all...not hiding the fact at all...i know some of this seems suspicious unless you know the people
involved...this kid is not the snitch.
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DENNIS
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Why would anybody be required to snitch? All the bad guys have to do is fly around looking for parked planes.
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elgatoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
the cop was the kid/cop Leri who Dianne posted a photo of on his skateboard at the cop shop one day. He's a sweet boy and loves planes and so he took
a photo of it on his cell phone and was showing us all...not hiding the fact at all...i know some of this seems suspicious unless you know the people
involved...this kid is not the snitch. |
Cool! Thanks for the clarification!!
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Skeet/Loreto
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Shari: I am still doubtful about there being a local Snitch.
For instance: A very quiet investigation was done back some Months ago;
It was determined that there were qyiet a few less planes going into Mainland Mexico than in the past year.
It was determined that there was still airplanes going into Baja.
T=Most of these stolen planes end up in or near Cualican.
People are easily placed to receive information as planes clear into Baja, notify the Thieves, they have to transport themselves to the Baja
Location.
Just for info Goggle up STolen Aircraft Baja and Mexico
Why do you think a new regulation was put into effect concering the Electronic Reporting of People coming in to Mexico Easy to find the needed
information of Destination.
Keep you the Good Work Shari;.
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shari
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ya skeet...my gut feeling is that they knew from the Ensenada end...not a local snitch...but ya never know
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Attention Capt; Mike!!!
Mike would you please get in touch with the BBP/ Serindad Pilots and get them to start contacting their Insuranc Companies regarding the making and
designing of a device to stop some of these Thefts.!
I have contacted AOPA
Plane and Pilot
NTSB
Society of Air Safety Investigators
Insurance Companies
Woking on an Anti Theft Device Company.
If enough is got out there some of these smart young kids will invent a sure fire devcice to stop some of it.
Get those guys in BBP to get in touch with anyone they can put some pressure on!!
We can do it.
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potential solution
As one who flys to Baja, I offer the following:
The owners of the airport I visit will need to install a motion-detector that would alert me (or someone else if in early am) to any activity around
the plane. When detected, a series of alarms and cameras will be activated AND some very fierce dogs will be let out of their kennels. At this same
time, my very well hidden on-board tracking device will be activated and cannot be shut off. Failing all the above, an on-board fuel deprivation
system device will kick in and starve the engine fuel...down goes the plane!!!
Sound plausible?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Hate to see it happen but, it just goes on the list of things not to do in Baja.
Don't drive at night.
Don't camp in isolated places.
Don't park your plane in unguarded places.
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since i don't have a plane i guess i still have one strike left!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by steekers
As one who flys to Baja, I offer the following:
The owners of the airport I visit will need to install a motion-detector that would alert me (or someone else if in early am) to any activity around
the plane. When detected, a series of alarms and cameras will be activated AND some very fierce dogs will be let out of their kennels. At this same
time, my very well hidden on-board tracking device will be activated and cannot be shut off. Failing all the above, an on-board fuel deprivation
system device will kick in and starve the engine fuel...down goes the plane!!!
Sound plausible? |
If that doesn't work, may I suggest this:
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