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bonanza bucko
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Below is the response of Fishbuck and others similarly afflicted to getting told that their sniping from afar and without knowledge about the CG
evacuation of Doug is disgusting. They are full of nasty comments and questions when somebody else is at risk and the Coast Guard sends help....but,
were they at risk, they would be full of tears and flapdoodle all the way to the nearest USA hospital no matter the cost.
Can you think of a more disgusting comment than this?
"Listen dumba$$. It was a question that's all.
That was the only information in the post about his condition.
I said I was glad he was okay.
But honestly now that I know more, the man did not belong in Baja with that condition and he endangered himself and the Coast Guard crew by being
there. Unnecessarily.
He should have stayed in the states where he had access to medical care.
THAT is my opinion. And if you don't like it you can go **** yourself."
Do you want the author of that response to comment on anything important?....as he has repeatedly and ad nauseum here. Blowhards like that are
always full of advice and nasty comments for others but they never have the cajones or the manners to look at themselves critically....or to apologize
for being off base.
Again, Thank God that Celia Diaz was involved in this and thank God double that Fishbuck and his like were not.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bonanza bucko
Below is the response of Fishbuck and others similarly afflicted to getting told that their sniping from afar and without knowledge about the CG
evacuation of Doug is disgusting. They are full of nasty comments and questions when somebody else is at risk and the Coast Guard sends help....but,
were they at risk, they would be full of tears and flapdoodle all the way to the nearest USA hospital no matter the cost.
Can you think of a more disgusting comment than this?
"Listen dumba$$. It was a question that's all.
That was the only information in the post about his condition.
I said I was glad he was okay.
But honestly now that I know more, the man did not belong in Baja with that condition and he endangered himself and the Coast Guard crew by being
there. Unnecessarily.
He should have stayed in the states where he had access to medical care.
THAT is my opinion. And if you don't like it you can go **** yourself."
Do you want the author of that response to comment on anything important?....as he has repeatedly and ad nauseum here. Blowhards like that are
always full of advice and nasty comments for others but they never have the cajones or the manners to look at themselves critically....or to apologize
for being off base.
Again, Thank God that Celia Diaz was involved in this and thank God double that Fishbuck and his like were not. |
Look you old fool, if you don't what to fight with me, then don't start one. It's that simple. This is the second time you have attacked me. The above
is my response to your 1st attack. I thought you would be smart enough not to do it again. Guess not.
I explained my reasons for my question. It was strictly to gain info about the evacuation not about your friend.
But because your friend used a public resource it is all public information. All of it, every detail.
So why don't you just stop insulting me now. It's not going to get any better if you continue... only worse!
Your choice.
[Edited on 1-29-2010 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Debra
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Come on please..............It's a hard time, emotions are running with the friends of Doug, and they don't give a darn how that it happened that he
was saved, they are thankful..........Doug isn't a newbe to Baja, he's been living there for many, many years, if it were you, would you be asking
this? Your child, your wife? your friend? Good-grief! the Coast Guard has be doing this for years, and for me it's tax dollars well spent.
Mean people suck!
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
Come on please..............It's a hard time, emotions are running with the friends of Doug, and they don't give a darn how that it happened that he
was saved, they are thankful..........Doug isn't a newbe to Baja, he's been living there for many, many years, if it were you, would you be asking
this? Your child, your wife? your friend? Good-grief! the Coast Guard has be doing this for years, and for me it's tax dollars well spent.
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I don't know Bonanza Bucko. But for no reason he attacked me when I asked a question.
As I said I am trying to understand the evacuation process that's all.
I only know of 1 other land based CG evacuation. Also, at Gonzaga Bay when a very elderly lady fell down and fractured her hip.
In that case she could not be transported by land because of the rough dirt road. And it was life threatening because she was so old.
Again it was coordinated by Olivia at Binational. Are there other Coast Guard rescue stories from Baja?
I'm sure all Doug's people are upset. But Doug is safely in the hospital now. The threat to his life is over.
And there is no reason to attack people who are curious about what happened. This is a widely publisized news story.
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"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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jeans
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
I don't know Bonanza Bucko. But for no reason he attacked me when I asked a question. |
He didn't "attack
you". You were a jerk. I had to deal with the same level of IGNORANT judgmental criticisms when my mother , the “very elderly lady” was evacuated 5
years ago. For you to suggest that this person negligently risked the lives of others by traveling to Gonzaga when he did is unbelievable arrogant.
You know nothing of the man’s medical history, the details of his surgery, his doctor’s advice, or the details that caused him to need evacuation...
but gosh....you can read Wikipedia, so you proclaim he should not have been there. Do you realize how stupid that sounded?
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
I only know of 1 other land based CG evacuation. Also, at Gonzaga Bay when a very elderly lady fell down and fractured her hip.
In that case she could not be transported by land because of the rough dirt road. And it was life threatening because she was so old.
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Another giant jump to a conclusion...Her age was NOT a factor. It was life-threatening because, uh,
DUH....It was a hip fracture.
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
Again it was coordinated by Olivia at Binational. |
It's CELIA, you dip$#!t...Her name is CELIA..Are you not paying attention???
I'm with B Bucko...this thread is disgusting. You were WAY off base to make him justify his friend’s actions and blaming Doug for the “consequences”,
when in reality you haven't a f---king clue of the situation or what you are talking about. (but you can read Wikipedia...
priceless)
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fishbuck
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10 Tips for Picking the Right Retirement Spot
Healthcare facilities.
Your healthcare needs are bound to increase as you age. Make sure your prospective retirement spot has adequate health and elder-care facilities and a
doctor who can treat any condition you may have.
In todays Yahoo news. Funny everyone knows this except Jeans, her mom and that guy Doug
I don't think Gonzaga Bay meets this criteria.
But continue to attack me because old people retire as far away from heathcare as possible.
[Edited on 1-29-2010 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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ELINVESTIG8R
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bonanza bucko
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For Fishbuck et al:
I agree with Jeans to the max. I don't wanna pick any fights but it was and is apparent that Fishbuck didn't understand a bunch of stuff.
Among those things was/ is his assumption that Doug was "living" or retired at Gonzaga Bay...wasn't. It's a vacation place and anyone with the
slightest knowledge of the place knows that all services and emergency facilities are at least a five hour drive of a one hour flight away.....if
your're lucky and the runway is not under water as it is about 6 days a month.......nobody goes there expecting to be sick. I'm sure that had the WX
been OK and the runway dry there would have been somebody there with an airplane to fly Doug out. Some of us have done that repeatedly for 40 years.
But, if you will check, the WX was below minimums for fixed wing aircraft that day.....only a helo could get in there.
There are people on the beach there with enough medical expertise to assess the severity of any problem and to decide if an evacuation is required.
They did that in this case.
Fishbuck also thought/thinks it's his prerogative to criticize and question the health management of others without knowing the details...he's way
off base on that.
I think this flap and flail is over...I hope it is. But I also hope that posters here will get or remember their manners and shrink their out of
control self esteem.....their comments on the private problems of others are not welcome unless they are requested and, especially, if such posters
have no knowledge whatsoever of the situation at hand or of the locality. Those of us who reacted negatively to Fishbuck's comments were amazed at
his ability and willingness to impose his opinion and to ask loaded questions about this situation when he obviously knew nothing about it.
I am sorry that Fishbuck et al took umbrage at our negative response to his comments. But somebody needed to make them.
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Now I have to laugh because i'll bet that many that were so critical of this evacuation are probably calling up the Binational Emergency Medical
Committee and joining.
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bonanza bucko
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Somewhere above in these posts Fishbuck did just that...then he got Celia's name wrong as "Olivia"......??
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
The person that DK refered to that had the insurance and not assisted was a good friend of many here at Nomad's. The reason that was given, was that
it would be dark soon. What angered me was that I just couldn't believe that something couldn't have been done, if needed 50 cars would have lit up
the runway in a matter of minutes to get that plane in. We will never know if he could have been saved. |
Debra, do you know what time they called Bi-National for the evacuation request, I thought it was mid day? Is that insurance only good if someone has
a heart attack early in the morning? What's the point if an 'emergency life saving rescue' is only good for early morning emergencies?
Thank you.
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jeans
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
The person that DK refered to that had the insurance and not assisted was a good friend of many here at Nomad's. The reason that was given, was that
it would be dark soon. What angered me was that I just couldn't believe that something couldn't have been done, if needed 50 cars would have lit up
the runway in a matter of minutes to get that plane in. We will never know if he could have been saved. |
Debra, do you know what time they called Bi-National for the evacuation request, I thought it was mid day? Is that insurance only good if someone has
a heart attack early in the morning? What's the point if an 'emergency life saving rescue' is only good for early morning emergencies?
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Time of day is not an issue with CG helicopter rescues. I called BEMCC at 6:00 on a Sunday evening and mom was picked up at 2:00am. I 've stated that
before.
When Mike H. needed emergency attention in BOLA and subsquently died in SQ, Debra brought up the question then why BEMCC did not go to his rescue.
I called Celia to get answers since there was (as usual) a lot of assumptions and second-guessing. After getting permission from Mary Ann, his widow,
to dicsuss this with me, Celia asked that I tell the story on the board. I don't have the time right now to search for the link, but it should still
be around.
Celia has to get assurances from on-site medical personnel that the patient is stable and will most likely survive the trip. If my memory serves me
there was doubt on that point and the decision was made on-site to take him to SQ by ground.
Mike was loved by many of us and I still get choked up thinking about him, but everyone has the right to be where ever they choose to be, regardless
of what Fishbuck thinks.
If a person decides to visit or retire in baja, where medical care is lacking...that is their decision...Old people get cranky about that
 . The notion that when we reach a certain age, we should park ourselves next to
a hospital for convenience's sake is ludicrous.
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bkbend
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USCG on another 'training' mission
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/flying_turt...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jeans
The notion that when we reach a certain age, we should park ourselves next to a hospital for convenience's sake is ludicrous. |
Jeans, I whole heartedly agree with that statement because I'm getting there!
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David K
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I agree as well with you jeans...
Since you disclosed who Debra and I were refering to, I must say that in talking with Mary Ann after that horrible event... She was very much
surprised that this 'wonderful sevice' (that worked for your mom, thank God), didn't work for Mike.
It had to be traumatic driving him over 200 miles to an inadequate hospital, where he soon died. Money was probably not an issue, why were
alternatives not made to what Mary Ann (and Mike) went through that day?
I do not remember seeing a post by you explaing Celia's side of the story... I will do a search and if I find it, repost it here. I did cancel my
Bi-National membership following the incident when she didn't answer my emailed questions about what went wrong.
For the record, I have supported her organization before Mike's death and defended her when she was harassed by 'you-know-who' repeatedly.
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David K
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Okay, found the thread and bumped it up... Here was jeans post she mentions above:
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posted on 8-9-2007 at 06:52 PM
I just got off the phone with Celia Diaz of BEMCC. I informed her of this discussion and she immediately called Maryann. Maryann gave permission for
Celia to relay the details of that night.
First of all, Celia keeps detailed record and timelines of all rescues. Who she talked to, what was said, etc. Celia got the call at 6:30pm. She told
Maryanne that a plane could not be sent at that hour, but that she would look into other means of transportation including the Coast Guard (if
available). But Celia told her that there was the possibility that they might have to wait until morning.
Celia started working on getting the Coast Guard. At 7:00pm the decision was made in Bahia to transport Mike by land. Celia learned of that decision
at 8:30.
I know from personal experience when they evacuated my mother that it took Celia over 4 hours to get that clearance. I got the call at 6:00 pm…the CG
got there at 2:00Am. That is 8 HOURS. It would have been too late for Mike had Celia been able to work her way through two governments.
Remember…this is remote Mexico….immediate emergency services are not available. My mom was able to survive the pain of a crushed hip because the whole
campo raided their medicine cabinets of every pain med known to man.
I will not discuss this any further in open forum.
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I don't think the Coast Guard helicopter has the range to get to BOLA. They only have a 400 mile range.
Maybe if they fueled it at San Filepe and then also on the return at either San Filepe or Ensenada.
That is why a fixed wing aircraft is more useful for rescues past about 150-175 miles from San Diego.
I did read about a rescue in SanQ by the Coast Guard helicopter also. They landed at the military base.
SanQ is about 175 miles from the border. So I would guess that is right at the max unrefueled range of the Coast Guard.
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jeans
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Thank you, DK for finding that post...I knew you would. I hope that clears up for you once and for all that BEMCC was not in any way responsible for
Mike's not getting the prompt help he needed. Your cancelling your membership as a result indicates you held them somewhat responsible. That was an
unfair assumption, because you did not know the whole story. Tragically, Mike was simply out of time.
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David K
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I didn't 'cancel' my membership, but I didn't renew (or even get a renewal notice). I wasn't as mad as I was disappointed at their organization.
I didn't renew because I could not get an answer to my questions via email OR phone message... about why Mike wasn't saved and about other matters.
The purpose of paying the $30 was to have good communictaions so that a rescue can be obtained, regardless if it was from the coast guard or med-jet
or ?? NOTHING was sent to save Mike... It was like too bad, but you got sick at a bad time of day.
If Celia or one of her associates returned my call or email, I may be still paying her... It is a very reasonable fee, but only valuable if it works.
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jeans
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
NOTHING was sent to save Mike... It was like too bad, but you got sick at a bad time of day. |
How can you say that? The decision to go by ground was made 30 minutes after first calling Celia. You are suggesting callus disregard on her part.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If Celia or one of her associates returned my call or email, I may be still paying her... It is a very reasonable fee, but only valuable if it works.
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It does work, if a rescue is possible. That is not always the case.
Your call should have been returned if only to tell you she could not discuss the details without permission, as she did with me. I do know that back
then she was not proficient on email.
If your tone was as accuatory as it seems to be now, yeah...that would make someone real eager to return a phone call.
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