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LisaR.
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Wow, I came upon this thread this morning, and I'm very relieved to hear how things turned out this time around. I hope that someday, Mark and Olivia
can be done with all this junk and live in peace! Best of luck to them!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by surfer jim
What can prevent more "bud guys" from coming or those arrested from returning ? |
Perhaps if they find out who sent them, they can put the squeeze on him....unless, of course, he's a friend.....or rich. 
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by surfer jim
What can prevent more "bud guys" from coming or those arrested from returning ? |
Mexicans with powerful connections like these rarely negotiate a settlement. Why would they? If they negotiate they may loose or not get everything
they could get by using the corruption route. They use what they know works. It seems like this has been a ten year battle that has come to a head.
Whatever the end game is, it will be sooner rather than later. You will find out how powerful the person is pulling the strings by how long the
suspects are held, if they were charged, and if they are charged with possessing and firing the guns. Only then can you estimate what the outcome
will be imo.
[Edited on 2-10-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gallesram
They will certainly have my business in the future. And I have to say that I'm relieved that the Ministerio showed up in such force from Santa
Rosalia and took care of this horrific problem. I hope that the bad guys know that the Mulege community won't tolerate this kind of vigilante
justice. The local police should be pretty embarassed that it took the state police to intervene on such an obvious travesty.
Great work Mark & Olivia; they are both true pioneers! And great work to the Nomads for bringing this to light and exposing it. I wonder if the
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It was not the responsibility of the Mulege police, it was the jurisdiction of the Ministerial. This is not the United States.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gallesram
All I'm saying is that the police did show up with 6 trucks full of armed policemen. Yes, it took 4 days, but they did show up.
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now we know the 911 (066?) response time for armed home invasion is 4 days 
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goldhuntress
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| Quote: | now we know the 911 (066?) response time for armed home invasion is 4 days
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mulegemichael
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gotta tell ya, marcos y olivia, i just don't know how you keep smiling through all this crap...it's been going on SO long now!...it's a relief THIS
TIME it came out ok...
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
It was not the responsibility of the Mulege police, it was the jurisdiction of the Ministerial. This is not the United States.
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Jim, what made it so? The location? The nature of the crime?
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Ateo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by gallesram
All I'm saying is that the police did show up with 6 trucks full of armed policemen. Yes, it took 4 days, but they did show up.
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now we know the 911 (066?) response time for armed home invasion is 4 days
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Ouch. That hurts. Seriously. Here's to Baja 2049 when the cops are trusted and response times improve. No disrespect to Mark and Olivia. They are
helping the future.
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snowcat5
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Seems to me , that if there were any Nomads traveling past M and O's place, maybe they could drop off a motion activated video camera system and some
motion activated gate monitoring alarms. Cheap and effective. Cheap motion alarms that hang on doors or windows that alert you to intruders wouldn'
t be a bad idea for their future, either.
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rubencastillo
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Thank God they arested those clown's, and no one got hurt... Never been to there place, but will make sure the whole race team stops by in Nov. during
the Baja 1000..God Bless Mark and Olivia, and the good Folk's here on Bajanomad .. Best web site ever.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Just called my cousin in D.C., he is an aide to Lucille Royball-Allard. I gave him the "Bajanomad" link and I asked him to read the post's and then
try to get State to do something.
Is this still ongoing? Does anyone have a phone number for them? |
I need the exact name of the town they are in and how far from Mulege. |
There are not in any town... just their restaurant and the former Playa Buenaventura Hotel, next door... 25.7 miles south on Hwy. 1 from the Mulege
Entrance road (next to the bridge). On the topo map (Almanac) is shown as 'Buenaventura' about a mile north of El Requeson.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by gallesram
I hope that the message gets back to the Mulege police that they are there to protect the citizens of the community, regardless of whether they are
Mexicans or foreigners. |
If they need to be reminded, I'd say it's time to start packing.
Are Bob and Susan anywhere near all this? Bob usually plays his cards close to the chest when there's trouble in his backyard.
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Playa Frambes (Bob & Susan's) is 15 miles north of Buenaventura.
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
It was not the responsibility of the Mulege police, it was the jurisdiction of the Ministerial. This is not the United States.
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Jim, what made it so? The location? The nature of the crime? |
It is a tough system to understand completely but when we had a rash of breakins in our little town, the local police department asked for assistance
by the Judicial. Even friends who I know well were shaken up and really nervous when questioned by these guys. Everyone I have met is a real serious
kinda person and the locals say that it is not unusual to get roughed up pretty good when they are investigating. They are federal and because
Buenaventura is so far out of town, it is a waste of time to think that Mulege city police will respond to anything. They do not even like to go to
Punta Chivato when there is a crime, but the Ministerial have Federal jurisdiction unless there is an overlay like in our town and then the locals
have to ask for them to come in, although they told me that they do not always wait for that request if they think it is serious. The Federales which
work the highway are a whole different branch of police and are mostly like our Highway Patrol, and I guess you could equate the Judicial with the FBI
guys.
Here is a little more info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_Mexico
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motoged
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I've got a bad feeling about this. I don't think this is over by a long shot.
And I hope a long shot doesn't end it.   
I sure hope I am wrong...
Don't believe everything you think....
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Pompano
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Well, if you move to Baja Sur seeking peace and quiet…and just to laze in your hammock soaking up some tranquility…YOU
CAN DO IT ……Of course, every now and then dramatic events will rock your boat….
Recently, the hot news on our local coconut telegraph has been full of the most recent ‘takeover’ of Olivia and Mark’s cafe and home at Playa
Buenaventura. An ongoing ordeal for the owners for a few years now; this time the news said it was a blockade by persons armed with a shotgun, no
less.
So, on the morning of Feb 9th, a Thursday, I took a drive down the Bay a few miles to have breakfast at Olivia’s café. (Playa Buenaventura is a short
drive of about 10 miles from mi casa in Coyote Bay and is just before the famous clamming beach at Playa Requeson.)
This is what happened:
As I came over the hill on the highway just before reaching Playa Buenaventura, I stopped to take a couple photos.
In case you have never driven past this developed beach, here it is…and also the layout of the hotel and Mark/Olivia’s café and home.
The entire community seemed pretty vacant as I drove nearer….just a couple vehicles strangely parked on the beachfront by the hotel area.
Hmm…ominous already, I thought to myself.
I pulled off the highway and into the hotel/café shared entrance…and came upon a barricade. A vehicle was ahead of me..and was just backing up and
turning around from a huge log across the road, blocking entry into the hotel area. As the vehicle loaded with kayaks (an SUV tourist couple) came
past me and stopped, I asked if they had tried to go to the café? “No..can’t get there...plus the guy here says it is closed.”
Thanks, I said and pulled up to the barricade they had just left …and was just about to make a hard right to enter a portion of the café road that was
still open, when first one, then two hombres came running up to my window. One was carrying a shotgun…at the ready and pointing in my direction.
“Hmm...this should get interesting real fast..”
Before they could get their mouths open, I said, “Buenos días, señores ... Me voy a tomar el desayuno, ¿sabe usted si el café está abierto hoy?”
(That was the real deal…as I was pretty hungry at that point, having nada except coffee since before dawn.)
Then things got a little weird. First the little guy starts explaining how I cannot use the entrance road to get to the café, then the bigger one
(the one with the shotgun and wild eyes) shoves the smaller one out of the way and takes over our conversation…saying in broken English..(Guess my
Spanish was nicht zu gut for him)
“No senor, for food, you must go to Mulege.” And then, holding his shotgun in his left hand, wild-eyes smiles and extends his right for a handshake.
I shook his hand, and said...”Nice shotgun, are you hunting dove or quail?”
The guy is smiling all the while...being very ingratiating..like a Junior Chamber of Commerce novice who is running for mayor.
‘Hmm..wonder why this fellow is trying to be so nice to me?’
Now the absurd happens: I said to the shotgun-guy, “En estados unidos I hunt a lot with a shotgun, too…ganzos , patos, palomas (geese, ducks, and
doves). I see you have an old Remington 870 pump there? And you have a choke on it, too..what we call a 'Dial-a-duck'? ”
Now he grins like a Cheshire cat…pumps the chambered shotshell out …and hands me the shotshell…then the shotgun! So there I am…sitting in my pickup
with both arms out the window…a cartridge in my left hand and the shotgun in my right. This is just plain crazy, I am thinking…the guy seems rather
proud of this old thunderstick …but is a few cards short of a full deck to hand it to a complete stranger.
I hand him back the shotgun, because this is an awkward position and the truth is, I was feeling a little embarrassed for the blockcader in his
enthusiasm to show off his artillery.
I then examined the shotshell. It’s an older, regular 2 ¾ standard cartridge, not a 3” magnum. But the real strange part is ...the load is a low
base #8. Hardly a round you would use against anything bigger than a dove or quail. Without a plug, an 870 pump shotgun can hold 5 rounds in the
magazine tube and one up the snout…the others were most likely heavier loads, but not this #8 bird shot? Go figure.
I handed the shell back..and the fellow wanted to shake hands again. 3 times in all. My arm was getting tired from all that shaking. I really
wanted to photo the two close-up next to the window…and even once thought of asking the short one to take my photo with the shotgun and the tall
guy…but my sanity returned in time, thankfully.
The two said to back up…and then ‘adios’ as they walked back down past the barricade towards their cars parked on the beach. These were the only
persons I saw in the hotel area. My impression of the taller one was…if I was going to try to drive or walk over the the café…the shotgun would come
into play. Something was not quite right with that guy, and I sure didn’t want a couple hundred tiny pellets imbedded in my burro.
I got back up onto the main highway and turned left..south towards Requeson…so I could get a look down the hill at Olivia and Mark’s beach café.
…And hey! I think that’s Olivia...or some other gal..waving and looking at me with binoculars. Dang..now just how am I supposed to get down there?
At the moment, I am a little ‘climbing challenged’, shall we say?
I cruise south a bit to see if there is another easier way to get down to the beach and backtrack to the cafe, but nope…no such luck.
Guess we’ll leave breakfast for another day, guys. Maybe manana? I see where my shotgun-sharing guy and his henceman have been hauled off in
handcuffs? Good…can’t say much for his gun-handling safety. 
Well, that was another day in Baja. Never a dull moment, eh?
Mark and Olivia, as in your present case, I’ve had the opportunity to inform and use the judicial police in Sta. Rosalia for felony crimes…serious
stuff… that have happened in Coyote Bay over the last 40 years. As Pescador and others mentioned earlier in this thread, the Mulege city police do
not really have the proper jurisdiction in cases like yours….and a couple of my past homeowner events. (like my ill-fated burglar..)
Carumba! Que lastima, amigos…I sure hope these events settle down and then finally disappear for you guys. You’ve been through
too much already. If you need any assistance…or need to sight in a rifle…. just send my drinking buddy with a note.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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desertcpl
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great report Roger
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surfer jim
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Good story but why put yourself in a position where nothing good can happen.
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latina
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Thanks for the awesome photos and checking on my dear friends, Pompano...I am embarrassed about my previous rant, but I guess my worry over Mark &
Olivia took away my good manners....Cheers and thanks again!
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rts551
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No facebook news since the police were there. Maybe they were all taken in?
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