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bajalinda
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Here's some info from my latest visit to La Paz INM office - I'm in the process of getting my residente permanente. I had an FM2 (inmigrante
rentista) with a "refrendo 4" on the back meaning that I have had that document for 4+ years (will have reached 5 years at the expiration date). I
applied during the 30-day period prior to the expiration date and my application was accepted with no problem.
For those who have been told they have to wait til their current document expires before applying for RP, I can only think it is for those who have
less than a "refrendo 4" (4 renewals), and therefore have not completed 4 full years.
I would also underscore what someone posted earlier about staying on top on things and checking back at the office on the status of your application.
After my first visit I was told to check back in a week. There was no notice on the website saying to come to the office, but I went back after a
week anyway and the next step was ready. I was told to check back again in a week....and the very next day there was a notice on the website saying
to come to the office. go figure!?
There is a list on the wall for those who are there for the last step to come in and pick up their new card/document. If your name is on the list,
you can go to a special dedicated window to pick up your card and you don't have to take a number and wait. They are saying 10 days between taking
fingerprints and picking up the new card.
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monoloco
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I only had refrendo 2 on my FM-2 and applied before it expired.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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bajalinda
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well, jeeze, silly me for trying to make some sense out of the "apply after your card expires" thing (I always thought that sounded very weird).
Seems like it depends which office you're dealing with. Glad to hear things went smoothly for you monoloco.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
I only had refrendo 2 on my FM-2 and applied before it expired. |
I was sure one had to have an FM-2 for 5 years before being able to go permanent?
How is this done?....applying for and getting your permanent card with less than 5 years on the FM-2?
It seems if a person hires an agent or an attorney.....how long on the FM-2 does not apply?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
I was sure one had to have an FM-2 for 5 years before being able to go permanent?
How is this done?....applying for and getting your permanent card with less than 5 years on the FM-2?
It seems if a person hires an agent or an attorney.....how long on the FM-2 does not apply? |
It's not like were just discovering that rules are flexible here and each office has their own methods. My neighbor got his RP with three years with
the FM-2, mainly because he owned his house, on rented land.
I guess we'll never get used to their flexibility, and we'll keep expecting rigid, US style interpretation.
Ours is a hard habit to get away from. Not sure I even want to anyway.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
I only had refrendo 2 on my FM-2 and applied before it expired. |
I was sure one had to have an FM-2 for 5 years before being able to go permanent?
How is this done?....applying for and getting your permanent card with less than 5 years on the FM-2?
It seems if a person hires an agent or an attorney.....how long on the FM-2 does not apply? |
This is why I
hired an agent to do it, I just showed up with what she told be to bring, six months worth of bank statements, my FM-2, passport, and photos, she did
the rest. Couldn't have been easier. I also know people who have gone directly from FM-3 to Permanente, so I don't think there is any requirement to
have had an FM-2. I am not certain, but there may be some differences in the financial requirements based on the length of residency under the
previous system.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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RnR
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IMPORTANT INFO
There are THREE ways to qualify for a Residente Permanente:
1. Have at least FOUR years on your current card - FM2 or FM3.
2. Have sufficient income based on bank statements - (Qualify immediately without a time requirement.)
3. A "points" system.
These are independent paths to the RP status. You only need to qualify under one method.
Go to INM's website. There is a pdf file checksheet that clearly lists what is needed to qualify and when.
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maspacifico
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If you progress from an FM-3 to an FM-2 all the years count. If you stayed with an FM-3, renewed after 5 years, you need to be on the 4th renewal. I
progressed, was on the 3rd renewal, and could apply for PR. My wife didn't change to an FM-2 and has to wait another year.
We've always done this ourselves but had talked to an agent regarding something else. When I asked him about this he had no knowledge of the
progression issue! In the Cabo San Lucas office try to talk to Josephina and all will become clear. I believe she does the agent thing on the side but
I have no contact information.
Of course next year it will all change again!
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bajalinda
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As RnR says....look at the INM website. Here's the link:
http://www.inm.gob.mx/static/Tramites_LM/Estancia_LM/Cambio_...
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capitolkat
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This would have been my wife and my 3d year renewal on our FM3 but our agent said we could get the RP with 6 months of bank statements with sufficient
income- ask me privately for income requirements-our card expires at the end of July and our agent will submit the application on July 4 and expects
our RP on or before mid August-- La Paz immigration.
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monoloco
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Bottom line IMO, is to just hire a good agent, with the time and frustration dealing with the intricacies saved, it's well worth the small amount
you'll pay to never have to deal with migracion again.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by monoloco, it's well worth the small amount you'll pay to never have to deal with migracion again.
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Now that my friend is exactly what I am looking for.....to never have to talk to these people again. (maybe)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
never have to deal with migracion again. |
Until they change things anyway. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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chuckie
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So far, I have learned 431 ways to get an RP....BUT Still have not seen anything which addresses a couple of issues. After getting an RP:
1. Will I have to import my vehicles?
2. Will I have to file a Mexican tax return?
Both of these questions should have Yes or No answers.
I suspect I will get 432 "How to's" But maybe not...
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durrelllrobert
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Here's a new/different requirement
My wife had a 4 year combined FM3-FM2 and was able to apply for PR. However, since she had no proof of income I had to submit a separate letter
stating that I am supporting her, even though I haven't applied for my RP yet and have never submitted any proof of income.
Bob Durrell
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
So far, I have learned 431 ways to get an RP....BUT Still have not seen anything which addresses a couple of issues. After getting an RP:
1. Will I have to import my vehicles?
2. Will I have to file a Mexican tax return?
Both of these questions should have Yes or No answers.
I suspect I will get 432 "How to's" But maybe not... |
It's unclear on #1, although I've never heard of
anyone being asked for immigration documents during a traffic stop in Baja, as for #2, there is no need to pay any income tax or file anything if you
do not derive any income from work or investments in Mexico.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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RnR
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Income Requirements for Residente Permanente, (for immediate qualification without a 4 year wait):
From INM's on-line checksheet -
1. Show a monthly income of 500 times the official daily MX minimum wage for the last six months.
2. 2013 minimum wage is about 64 pesos/day.
3. At 12.4 pesos/USD = $5.16 USD/day.
4. 500 x 5.16 = $2,580 USD/month.
5. This varies as the exchange rate and minimum wage varies. (Six months ago it was only about $2,200 USD/month. Exchange rate went down AND
minimun wage went up)
6. There is no requirement to continue to show proof of income after the RP card is received.
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chuckie
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OK..I'll keep asking.....
1. Does the LAW say I have to import my car? It is not "do they check documents at a traffic stop"
2. Do I have to file a Mexican tax return? NOTE! The question is not "Do I have to pay taxes or what is the income requirement"......It is not, "Do I
have to show proof of income after RP."
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by capitolkat
but she ways they want same name on passport as the bank statements and are being very firm.
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No problem. Do what I did and make your own bank statements.
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Why not make your own Perm Res card? You'll never use it anyway.
Seriously, what's it good for, besides good "citizenship"?
[Edited on 6-20-2013 by SFandH]
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by capitolkat
but she ways they want same name on passport as the bank statements and are being very firm.
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No problem. Do what I did and make your own bank statements.
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Seriously, what's it good for, besides good "citizenship"?
[Edited on 6-20-2013 by SFandH] |
Never having to pay a renewal again.
Permanent is permanent.....
No dodging around with the Migra, no bank runs to pay the fees, no more photos, no more income statements, no more permission letter to exit the
country........just NO more!!
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