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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
It's all so simple. Our government, with it's extensive experience in creating jobs at home can send a team of experts [start with Nancy P, John B
and Harry R] to Central America to give guidance to the heathens. They'll be saying the Pledge of Allegiance in no time at all.
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How about sending the entire legislative and executive branches of OUR government ....
They apparently aren't very busy accomplishing anything of importance at the moment ... or long term ... what do we have to lose
Oh yeah, Sept .. we go into melt down over funding the Government again . this should really be good .. just before NOV ...
Hang in there .. where else ya gonna go 
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ncampion
Ok, so just how many of these people can we take? One billion, two billion? where do you stop??
Some figures from the United Nations Development Programme:
More than a billion people live with less than a dollar per day.
2.8 billion people, that is to say almost half of the global population, live with less than 2 dollars per day.
448 million children are underweight.
876 million adults are illiterate, two thirds of which are women.
Every day, 30,000 children under 5 die from avoidable diseases.
More than a billion people don’t have access to healthy water. |
What you are driving at with those questions, really won't matter in the end. I have been asking this bigger question for years now...
How do we avoid going to a global standard of living in a global economy?
The real answer is, in the end we can't. The current humanitarian crisis scenario currently being played out at our southern border is a symptom of
the bigger and growing problem looming. Like waves crashing on this seashore and tomorrow on the other side of the Pacific, the long term effects will
move back and forth until eventually water seeks its own level. This is going to get worse before it can ever begin to get better. A lot of people
refuse to accept the reality of the mess we are in but it won't change the unavoidable outcome.
Or maybe not...
Coming soon to a theater near you.
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ncampion
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Ron, you make my point. We can't affect the global poor population by taking them into this country, we would only be bringing our country down to
their level. I don't pretend to offer a solution like so many on this board, I'm only pointing out some facts. Check out this video, it's from a few
years ago, but the facts are only more important today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
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Bajalover
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Did anyone read Dennis's Post ?? These kids in the article are Rejected from Mexico.....Mexico.....not the USA. So why rant and rave about the
kids illegally here. Most of them will end up staying here and be taken care of with or without everyones' complaints. Watching Utube videos, etc are
things posted to alert the population that is already bias and most of the folks reading or listening to these things are jaded and somewhat immune to
these debates. The crazy politicians will just dip into our pockets to grab some more cash to take care of them.......what else is new ? Enjoy the
popcorn.
Sometimes you really do question; why you are and where you are.
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dtbushpilot
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Perhaps knowledge of charitable organizations isn't your strong suit.
| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
Maybe the Catholic Church, which is the villain in many cases, should fork up some of its more than 30 billion dollars to help the children of the
world which they encouraged to pro-create and then abuse. |
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaLuna
I couldn't agree more, redmesa!
they want to protect the unborn but as soon as they are born, they wash their hands!
off topic rant.....And ya know what really irks me is when I drive by a Church, like say the ones in my town, and they have land around the church,
big grassy areas, and instead of turning those into community food gardens for those who need food, or donate that food to the food banks, they just
leave the land grass. So yeah lets let families struggle, kids go without 3 meals a day, and pass the buck onto the rest of society.
The Catholic church does many good things, but let's see them step up for these refugee kids!
Juan Williams last night said on the O'Reilly show, which I don't watch but caught on video this morning on HuffPo, we could put say 20 of these
rufugee kids in each state and that wouldn't be such a strain on just one State. Surely each state can handle a few kids! |
Perhaps math isn't Juan Williams' strong suit either, "20 kids in each state"? That will cover a day or two.....
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"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajalover
Did anyone read Dennis's Post ?? These kids in the article are Rejected from Mexico.....Mexico.....not the USA. |
Thanks. I tried, and tried, and tried to redirect this berserk US bashing thread back to it's original intent, but some here just won't allow an
opportunity to rant and rave against the US to go by unanswered.
Pretty effing pathetic really, when you think about it.
What's even more pathetic is that they won't listen to you either.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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Get out of my way Dennis, I have a agenda hear and you wont stand in my way of spouting  
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MMc
Get out of my way Dennis, I have a agenda hear and you wont stand in my way of spouting |
That's about it, fer sure. a little bit of venting can be healthy, I suppose, but the "Let's spend everybody else's money" crowd can be really
monotonous.
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If the USA 'must' help, then why not make THEIR country better instead of leaving it to come here???
If they want our style of government or freedom (free enterprise) then change their country to make it more like ours instead of abandoning it.
Mexico says no to its neighbors, yet allows them to conduit through to the USA. Is that because we have SUCKER written on our border?
What is a border anyway? Sure not one to force people through a legal crossing here. The Border Patrol, pulled away from the border to allow this
invasion, is that right?
Does any other country welcome illegal border crossers and pay to house them after they violate our border. Then try to figure out how they can stay
here... and then bring their parents north??? What suckers we are!!
Costa Rica isn't losing their population. So, what is wrong with Honduras and Guatemala that they cannot adopt the same freedoms as their neighbor and
keep their future (children) home?
Make those countries be responsible to their people and not give them a refuge so the problem at their home remains unsolved.
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"Fear, ignorance and propaganda. The problem is of course a refugee issue, not unlike those fleeing battle fields around the world. FOX and the
Republican Party have confabulated the issue of border security with the issue of these child refugees. This is a humanitarian crisis of epic
proportions and a shame of the face of the US for these people acting this way. We have absorbed way more people than this in the past from countries
undergoing genocide etc. i.e. Haiti etc. The US bombing of Iraq created some 2 million refuges that have sought asylum in neighboring countries. The
circumstances in the countries where these children are coming from is so desperate that mothers are sending their children across up to 4 very
dangerous countries in order to shelter them. Honduras has become the narcotrafficing hub in South America, replacing Colombia. Children aged 11 are
now forced to take drugs in school and then are forced into drug trafficking by the Cartels who then train them to be assassins. The lawlessness
creates a very dangerous situation for little girls who are in great danger of becoming part of the Cartel controlled sex trade. These are very, very
dangerous places for children. The Cartels now rule in these countries and this is the fall out." a quote from a friend.
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Daviid, Maybe Mexico and the USA would not would not be having this problem if
ex-presadent Bush had not signed that immigration law...Too bad FOX news does not interview him, wonder what he would say,LOL
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Is there anything good coming from these people in government (non-government employees only please answer)? |
Uh, yeah......they are redistributing my wealth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Obama has been in power for 6 years and the Democrat congress for 8 years, yet we still are hearing it is Bush's fault...
I really will enjoy when grown-ups are running things again.
This country is in the worse shape ever, and the world is falling apart. Russia is laughing at us. The VA is killing our vets. Full time employment is
a thing of the past. Is there anything good coming from these people in government (non-government employees only please answer)?
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A presidents actions can have long term consequences, hell, we're still suffering from the mistakes of
Woodrow Wilson. We will likely be paying for the mistakes of the last few administrations for many, many years, and not just Bush. As long as we have
a political system where the narcissist who raises the most money gets to lead, nothing will change.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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bajagrouper
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/us/immigrant-surge-rooted-...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/02/immigra...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Costa Rica isn't losing their population. So, what is wrong with Honduras and Guatemala that they cannot adopt the same freedoms as their neighbor and
keep their future (children) home?
Make those countries be responsible to their people and not give them a refuge so the problem at their home remains unsolved. |
Many of the problems in those countries, as well as El Salvador and Nicaragua, were created by over 100 years of the US propping up
corrupt despotic dictators who stole most of the valuable land and resources, divided it up amongst their cronies, and reduced the majority of the
population to serfs. It's another example of how our actions can have long term consequences.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
"Fear, ignorance and propaganda. The problem is of course a refugee issue, not unlike those fleeing battle fields around the world. FOX and the
Republican Party have confabulated the issue of border security with the issue of these child refugees. This is a humanitarian crisis of epic
proportions and a shame of the face of the US for these people acting this way. |
That would be true if it were the whole picture, but it isn't. in my thoughts, it's an economic issue. The US economy, next to the Mexican and
Central American economy, are like oil and water. They won't mix.
When, and if the southern economies raise to a point near our level, we could open the border and get by all of this boolsht, but until that time,
separate worlds have to remain separated if we want to maintain our standard of living.
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But keep in mind that children from Nicaragua are not leaving in the same large numbers. An in-depth news report I heard on the radio, FWIW, stated
the reason is because Nicaragua has an effective police force, making it a safer place.
The children are fleeing their homes because it's not safe in El Salvador, etc.
And that makes sending them back a big problem.
[Edited on 7-30-2014 by SFandH]
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I also think Mexico has a lot responsibility for this problem. It's not hard to police the trains the migrants ride to get to the US border. It's a
good bet you can find the trains on the railroad tracks.
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"The Republicans don't seem to want to work on immigration, until it comes to deporting children"!
That was a statement from George Will, who was recently on a fox news panel on this subject, so hellooooo lets not just put this all in Obama's court
for doing nothing about this!
Of course you can't find this panel's video on Fox news, LOL! But it's out there!
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BajaLuna
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Not a whole lot of good is coming from either party, DavidK!
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