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JDCanuck
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At age 68, we in Canada could not get a first mRNA shot booked til Mar 28, 2021, a full 3 months or more after they were available for similar ages in
the US. People were at that time begging to obtain them spending hours or days trying to get through the busy signals to book their first shots. 2nd
doses weren't available for the same people til July 2021. We focused first on getting them to the very elderly and health care providers, and I at
the time agreed with that. Focusing on the most at risk was definitely the right way to go.
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | | By the beginning of that date range (December 2020-October 2021), US was just beginning the vaccinations so I assume that includes just the first
vaccine shot, and extends right up to the double dose fully vaccinated date. Were boosters begun by Oct 2021? |
Yes, I got my booster Sept 22 which I believe was the first day they were available.
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What it sounds like is that you have poor reading comprehension. It is compounds found in hemp that counter viruses. Heat destroys those compounds, so
smoking it wouldn't work.
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
What it sounds like is that you have poor reading comprehension. It is compounds found in hemp that counter viruses. Heat destroys those compounds, so
smoking it wouldn't work. |
It was a joke little lady. Smile.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
Regarding comorbidity. I guess you mean non covid cases being counted as covid. Ive never bought into the argument that case numbers are false.
That’s gnukid’s territory. The biggest changes occur when ICUs are filled to capacity or close to it. That’s when the non covid numbers drop.
It’s clear that the medical staff has to prioritize based on the severity of the illness. They are professionals that don’t care if the patient is
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The CDC director just said this week that at least 75% of ppl with Covid who died had 4 comorbidities.
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Nowhere on the graph does it chart people who died. It shows people who are in ICUs. I still maintain that you can't simply replace people in ICUs
that are non covid with those who have covid and state they are one and the same.
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A comorbidity is, for example, a person who has both covid and a heart attack. They very likely wind up in the hospital. If they die, is it a covid
death or a death from heart attack?
The concept is quite simple--really! The hard part is determining the cause of death, and reporting it so that accurate conclusions can be drawn.
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
Find someone who will take care of you, and take care of them.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
What it sounds like is that you have poor reading comprehension. It is compounds found in hemp that counter viruses. Heat destroys those compounds, so
smoking it wouldn't work. |
It was a joke little lady. Smile.
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Just like when you suggested people take horse steroids, drink urine, or bleach Just....shut....up....
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
What it sounds like is that you have poor reading comprehension. It is compounds found in hemp that counter viruses. Heat destroys those compounds, so
smoking it wouldn't work. |
It was a joke little lady. Smile.
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"little lady?"
she is taller than you, melonhead. most everyone is taller than you. 
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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| Quote: Originally posted by 100X | A comorbidity is, for example, a person who has both covid and a heart attack. They very likely wind up in the hospital. If they die, is it a covid
death or a death from heart attack?
The concept is quite simple--really! The hard part is determining the cause of death, and reporting it so that accurate conclusions can be drawn.
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Not that hard, really. The likelihood of someone just happening to have a heart attack when they were already hospitalized for Covid, and have it be
unrelated, are so small as to be insignificant.
Think about it like this- you have a limp from an old injury that never healed properly. You walk with a limp, it's painful sometimes, you can't
really run. But you've learned to live with it and accept that the activities you can do are somewhat limited.
You are in a crosswalk when some drunk driver comes careening around the corner. All the other pedestrians in the crosswalk run to the curb and avoid
being hit, but you can't run, get hit and die.
Was your cause of death your bum leg, or was it because a drunk driver hit you?
Plenty of people have underlying conditions they can live with all their lives, that they can manage with diet, exercise, and/or medication. They may
not even know they have some condition, as they've never had any symptoms. If they contract Covid and die because that just taxed their already
compromised system, then obviously it was Covid that killed them.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 100X | A comorbidity is, for example, a person who has both covid and a heart attack. They very likely wind up in the hospital. If they die, is it a covid
death or a death from heart attack?
The concept is quite simple--really! The hard part is determining the cause of death, and reporting it so that accurate conclusions can be drawn.
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I don't question what comorbidity is. I question that the graph represents comorbidity. We are saying essentially that those same people that were in
ICUs without covid have been simply replaced with covid. That's a very unlikely scenario.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 100X | A comorbidity is, for example, a person who has both covid and a heart attack. They very likely wind up in the hospital. If they die, is it a covid
death or a death from heart attack?
The concept is quite simple--really! The hard part is determining the cause of death, and reporting it so that accurate conclusions can be drawn.
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It could also a be combination of covid and pneumonia, or even covid and MRSA, both extremely common secondary infections for people in the ICU, and
hospitals in general.
My godson died (at age 22) of MRSA complications while in the ICU for kidney failure. I don't know what his death certificate read, MRSA, or Kidney
Failure. Both likely were factors.
As I learned a long time ago, people often die in hospitals, and not always for the reason they were admitted.
John
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I believe if you look at your and my posts since yesterday you did actually raise an issue about what comorbidity is, seeming to indicate you
questioned if they even existed. The definition of comorbidity was not the subject of the question I posed, but what seemed like a confused response
was the only response I received, at least until Surabi's post.
"Heart attack" was to try and clarify what comorbidity means, not as an end all example setting forth the whole issue. There are many potential
comorbidities, as acknowledged by the CDC of course, but you have to accept there is such a thing before you can respond logically.
Again, I had straightforward questions about the graph posted, until we got off track.
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
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And plenty of those "underlying conditions" also ultimately kill them.
Covid is not a death sentence for most, so the question of comorbidity is a valid one.
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
Find someone who will take care of you, and take care of them.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 100X | And plenty of those "underlying conditions" also ultimately kill them.
Covid is not a death sentence for most, so the question of comorbidity is a valid one. |
The key word in your post is "ultimately". Someone could manage their diabetes well, and live until the age of 85, living to see their grandchildren
grow up, graduate, have their own kids. They may travel the world, seeing and enjoying places that had been on their bucket list for 40 years.Or they
could contract Covid now, at the age of 65, and die of a "comorbidity".
It's pretty rude to dismiss 20 years of their lives they missed out on by saying, "Oh well, they were diabetic, you know."
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I'm sure everyone can decide for themselves who the rude one is.
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
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I recently heard that oxygen is poisonous. It just takes 80 or so years to kill you.
John
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On comorbidity: My mother died at age 85 in 2009 during an exceptionally bad flu season and right after contracting the seasonal flu. She had pre
existing heart and organ failures which were gradually worsening. Her death certificate listed heart failure as the cause, but could have listed the
flu virus instead as that is what finally ended her life stacked on top of the pre-existing comorbidities.
Which one would be most correct?
To us, it really didn't matter what the cause was, she had a very happy fruitful 85 years that was spent with visits to and from family and friends,
and she was well prepared to see the end of her life, while the rest of us would have treasured even an extra 6 months of time to share with her.
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DECIDIRÁN NEGOCIOS DE BC SI SOLICITAN CERTIFICADO DE VACUNACIÓN: COEPRIS
http://www.bajacalifornia.gob.mx/Prensa/Noticia/2635
"COEPRIS pointed out that it will be the owners of the different businesses who decide whether or not to request the vaccination certificate against
Covid-19, since the Baja California authorities fully trust in the responsibility of small, medium and large Baja California entrepreneurs."
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NCAA Recognizes Natural Immunity In Latest Guidance, Says Recovered Patients “Fully Vaccinated”
https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2022/01/12/ncaa-recognizes-...
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
Regarding comorbidity. I guess you mean non covid cases being counted as covid. Ive never bought into the argument that case numbers are false.
That’s gnukid’s territory. The biggest changes occur when ICUs are filled to capacity or close to it. That’s when the non covid numbers drop.
It’s clear that the medical staff has to prioritize based on the severity of the illness. They are professionals that don’t care if the patient is
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The CDC director just said this week that at least 75% of ppl with Covid who died had 4 comorbidities.
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Actually that was taken out of context.
The reference was of the small number of full vaccinated who have died of Covid, 75% had 4 or more comorbidities.
This does does not refer to the more general deaths of those not fully vaccinated.
You can listen to the whole thing here around 2:30
Cdc head interview
CNN fact check
| Quote: | | Facts First: Walensky did not say that more than 75% of the people who have died of Covid-19 had four or more comorbidities. "Good Morning America"
edited out some of Walensky's comments; the viral 11-second clip was further shortened from the edited footage. The full footage, which Good Morning
America released hours after the controversy erupted on Monday, proves that Walensky was speaking specifically about a small number of deaths that
were described in a new federal study. That study found that, of a group of 1.2 million people who were fully vaccinated between December 2020 and
October 2021, 36 of them had a death associated with Covid-19 -- and that, of these 36 people, 28 of them, or about 78%, had at least four of eight
"risk factors" for experiencing a severe outcome from the virus, such as an age of over 65, diabetes and a variety of additional chronic diseases.
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