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anyone can plant date palms
other than the local species they don't germinate easily
the sat images don't show many dates at Coyote
date palms like many other palm varieties can tolerate high concentrations of salt water
but they do much better with clean sweet water
introduction time of the date palms to Baja is disputed. No mention in the Jesuit papers. The existence is mentioned though (Baegert)
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Yeeea right ... and the world is flat and everything is under control of a magical sky-daddy!
omfg 
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You see many date palms in wet spots on the peninsula....some not more than 30 yrs old...man, coyotes, and birds can easily spread them. The Medjool
Date Palms I've grown from seed have all sprouted quite readily with near 100 percent germination.
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Can you tell me what is the difference in sea level as seen between the photos taken in the 1950's and the photos taken in the 2010's of this same
location??? How has the increase you think happened dramatically affected life in Baja (the subject of this thread)?
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Sheeesh.........
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calm down, David.
There is nothing much to see.
Here is the official NOAA word: "Records and research show that sea level has been steadily rising at a rate of 0.04 to 0.1 inches per year since
1900. Since 1992, new methods of satellite altimetry (the measurement of elevation or altitude) indicate a rate of rise of 0.12 inches per year. This
is a significantly larger rate than the sea-level rise averaged over the last several thousand years."
Translated into English this means that the sophisticated guess is that the sea rose from 1900 to 1992 between 3.68" and 9.2".
We started accurately measuring in 1992 (satellites) and the sea levels have risen since 1992 another 2.88"
None of your Baja palm tree pics will be able to show that minimal rise.
The science prophets think that maybe in the next 100 years the sea levels could rise between 40 cm (15") and 180 cm (71"). Maybe.
If your palm tree is still alive by then it may have wet feet. But by then there might be a hotel in that place - or condos. They enhance nature, I
have been told.
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Record-Shattering February Warmth Bakes Alaska, Arctic 18°F Above Normal
"How hot was it last month globally? It was so hot that the famed Iditarod sled race in Alaska brought in extra snow from hundreds of miles away by
train.
"It was so hot that NASA now reports that last month beat the all-time global record for hottest February by a stunning 0.85°F, when such
records are usually measured in hundredths of a degree"
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/13/3759569/record-f...
NASA, NOAA Analyses Reveal Record-Shattering Global Warm Temperatures in 2015
http://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-noaa-analyses-reveal-...
This would be an example of "Climate Change" as would measured increases of sea level ... as it is all tied together and = our environment
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I am quite calm, as this Chicken Little hysteria doesn't rule my posts...
Thank you, Harald... I don't deny the sea level isn't changing... but just who here isn't getting the fact that 4" of rise over 90 years doesn't
change life in Baja or can be seen between photos on the beach taken 60 years apart. In other words, no effect. The difference between high and low
tide in the sea (every day) is measured in FEET, after all.
When the salt flats (which are just inches above average high tide) around Baja are covered by the sea daily, then that would an event.
The funnier part is those who think man is so mighty that he can (or should) reverse these natural changes that have been happening since time began.
It may not be convenient what Nature does, but the animals that deal with the changes by adapting to them (and not fighting against them) have a
better chance at surviving!
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Isn't it interesting that these charts always start in the mid 1800's?
That way you don't have to look at the temperatures around 1300 - it was warmer then than today.
So, could it be that some people use scientific findings (nobody is disputing the temp raise here) to spread their agenda? And I have no clue what
that agenda could be.
Making you feel guilty has already worked well for the churches though.
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  |
Can you tell me what is the difference in sea level as seen between the photos taken in the 1950's and the photos taken in the 2010's of this same
location??? How has the increase you think happened dramatically affected life in Baja (the subject of this thread)? |
Nobody gives a crap about your crappy photos. They're a joke.
History has shown that time and time again, it's a colossal waste of time to try and introduce you to science. Why would anyone bother ??
Not only is sea level rise real, it's starting to accelerate.
Not only is the globe warming due to human activity, it's starting to accelerate. Civilisation is a heat engine, and there's nothing anyone can do
'bout it.
But no need to panic Bubs .... double-double cheeseburgers will still be available at the drive-thru for a long time yet. 
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| Quote: Originally posted by bezzell |
Nobody gives a crap about your crappy photos. They're a joke.
History has shown that time and time again, it's a colossal waste of time to try and introduce you to science. Why would anyone bother ??
Not only is sea level rise real, it's starting to accelerate.
Not only is the globe warming due to human activity, it's starting to accelerate. Civilisation is a heat engine, and there's nothing anyone can do
'bout it.
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didn't you get the point that pretty much everyone here agrees that it's getting warmer (not much) and that sea levels are rising (0.1" per year)?
And what's wrong with warmer? Isn't that why we love Baja so much?
David's wonderful pictures demonstrate just that - an undisputed sea level rise that is simply not visible at 0.1" a year.
And since you like history and science so much - why not treat David's pictures with the respect that document deserve.
Seems like there is more of a threat to society by loss of respect and kindness than the up and down of oceans.
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Some just look at the "scientific findings"
Some of which go as far back as 650 million years, in the case of CO2
Another factor to consider in the mix, world population prior to the 20th Century of humans ... this chart below goes back to around 300 ACE ... which
should be adequate to see a simple growth rate increase in the human species
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/#total
Believe the net increase in human population and our use of natural resources and the results of those "uses" is exactly what is being discussed
As for temp's .... on the planet Historically
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hotte...
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cool web site- thank you!
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The population growth is as natural as a volcanic eruption and the earth has handled both, as we are alive now. Is the higher than last year
population a problem you feel a need to solve? I think great minds will continue to solve issues without the need for fear or outlawing childbirth.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | The population growth is as natural as a volcanic eruption and the earth has handled both, as we are alive now. Is the higher than last year
population a problem you feel a need to solve? I think great minds will continue to solve issues without the need for fear or outlawing childbirth.
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But of course! 'go forth and multiply' !
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/february-smashe...
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did anyone look into the effect of 7 billion people farting?
Why should it only be the cows burping killing the climate?
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Not sure who is afraid .. I'm not ... nor do I think "geoenginerring" is the solution either ...
That kinda thinking got us to where weŽ are currently, which i think is a bit silly and not based in facts
We haven't the knowledge nor the means at this time to engineer our "climate" to ourŽ benefit on this planet ... Hence the recommendation from Steven
Hawking's to find another planet
About the only thing available at this time ... reduced consumption and good luck with that one ... as the population continues to grow under
"un-natural" conditions and extension of the human life span (here longer, more resources) ... I'm not complaining ... never thought I'd live this
long 
With ourŽ advances in science we have allowed the human population to grow at a rate which has never been seen in recoded history on this planet
And that growth and longevity just requires MORE of everything with of course a continued waste stream from our lining and using resources to do so
Which includes NAFTA, Global Economy and $15 dollars an hour for minimum wage ... In the United States as somehow as I don't see China, Thailand,
and/or SEA raising their wages for their workers to a similar level ... as it wouldn't pencil for anyone in the Global Economy
But, not to worry as either candidate for President say they can fix EVERYTHING ... 
Me, I'd rather be where 4x4abc is ... and having a cold beer
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La Paz would be nice place to live, I can agree with that wesson!
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Here's a little world history on climate change by the founder of Greenpeace. I can't wait to be amused watching the Algore followers attempt to trash
him.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RkdbSxyXftc
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the holocaust reference was a bit strong, but what do you expect from a web site run by Dennis Prager
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