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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
gringo encampment I'm sure the authorities are on top of it and are in process of launching a full and thorough investigation. |
Bruce R Leech
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
What is with this 'toxic soil' stuff you keep bringing up goat?
Fires happen, houses burn down, and they are rebuilt... on the same site. I don't see anything special happening with the soil before the rebuild. You
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building codes have nothing to do with it. informed buyers insist on clean soil/site after building fires.
paints and consumer products are full of metals -- prior to bans of lead in paint, the paint was up to 10% or more lead. paints today are still full
of metals. fire leaves behing a lot of PAHs too.
fire takes stable materials and reduces it to fine grain material that is easily ingested ("dust" for you the layman).
burn sites are pretty foul, and informed people insist on cleanup of burn sites, even if there is no building code.
but, your a sceptic of science, like many, so expect you to dismiss it. but if you are raising kids, it's irresponsible to put your kids on
contaminated soil for long term exposure.
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bombero
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Mexico or USA. I.m told in nov 07 that I need to relocate very soon. Do i pay rent 12 months in advance ? Do i make no plans to move? Do i think I
can stay as long as i want? If i even think about moving should I leave all the junk I dont want to remove, after all I paid no security or cleaning
deposit! Maybe I,ll put my head in the sand and it will go away. I was told by a resident there last year that they they were on limited
time on the beach. I believe they made some adjustments! If i want some rights as a leasee or with a bank trust I should also respect the rights of a
land owner and their resonable request. "Arson" I,m not sure that was the answer, however it helps with the cleanup!
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David K
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I am finally done with raising kids... (Sarah is 18 and moved out, Chris is 19 1/2, also moved out... I strated my new life with Baja Angel)
Isn't a concrete slab safe to build upon... I mean the fire burns what it will... then the slab is cleaned or replaced before new construction upon
it.
Sounds like you are a Haz Mat specialist or in fire safety...?
Thanks for your concern... But, it sounds like you need to address the Mexican land owners and see if they intend on doing a proper clean up...
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Bruce R Leech
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I will go with David on this one. after a normal house fire ware no unusual chemicals were stored all that is necessary is to rack up the debris and
haul it off.
Bruce R Leech
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Lindalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by roundtuit
Bulldozer Never even seen a backhoe. Just a bunch of locals salvaging what the Gringos didn't take with them. In fact some of the materials the
locals bought with cash from the gringos 
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Yes, most of us that had anything worthwhile (we had a TT) sold everything to the Mexicans. We chose not to
move to Cayote Bay or anywhere else around Mulege because we had already decided to move to Ensenada.
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thebajarunner
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My two cents worth
I am a real estate developer, a "B" contractor and a licensed real estate broker (and I don't really do much in any of these areas these days)
My neighbors modular burned down last year (no, I did not set the fire, but I felt like it)
They got a back hoe, and a big dumpster and scraped off the debris, hosed off the slab, and have a permit to rebuild.
You certainly want to get rid of all the debris, the smell and the soot tracking alone would be a constant annoyance, but unless they had a meth lab
or some exotic chemical issues, simply removing all the trash is sufficient.
Of course, every California community seems to be hiring those enviro-weenies that sit in a glass box and rule on all sorts of issues that they read
about when they attended class at Berkeley. And then attend the conferences where they all come up with more ways to stifle progress....
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Santiago
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RichnLinda: By "TT" I'm assuming you mean a travel trailer? Did you have it there for 12 months or did you haul it down with you each time? I'm
assuming the trailer was gone at the time of the fire and that you have sold everything you did not want - is this right? When you say you chose not
to move to Coyote Bay - was this offered by the old/new owners or outside of the current arraingement? And if you're willing to say, were you
surprised at what happened?
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by thebajarunner
Of course, every California community seems to be hiring those enviro-weenies that sit in a glass box and rule on all sorts of issues that they read
about when they attended class at Berkeley. And then attend the conferences where they all come up with more ways to stifle progress....
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you got that right
you could not pay me to live in Ca.
Bruce R Leech
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tsgarcia69
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Jeese, what's with all this NEGATIVE posting about Baja coming from the old-timers here? How is that guy who is advertising Mexican auto insurance at
the top of this page going sell any insurance policies?
You'd better all switch to a discussion about fish tacos and how Baja is safer than the US before he pulls his advertising account.
p.s. The preceding was sarcasm.
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Lindalou
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We had no fire. We leased the place from a couple that had lived there for 20 some years. The TT was already there. The couple we leased from and
everyone else on the beach to my knowledge had quite a bit of notice. The owners of the beach did not charge any rent for at least the last 6 months
or so. We sold everything and only lost a little (which was still a lot to me) We were not surprised but thought we would have a least another year or
so.
Moving to Coyote bay would have been up to us. ( this was like a association you could not move there if this certain group did not want you, even
though they had nothing to do with the leases, they are all very nice people so please don't take this the wrong way just keeping the beach clean  ) Several other people from Santispac moved there and asked us if we wanted to, they
all had money and the fancier places so they just rebuilt. We couldn't afford to and we wanted to live where we could live year around weather wise.
We now live in Punta Banda and like it here very much.
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Cypress
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RichnLinda, Sorry to hear of your loss. Glad that thing's are working out for you. "TT"? Good luck with all.
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tsgarcia69
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
| Quote: | Originally posted by thebajarunner
Of course, every California community seems to be hiring those enviro-weenies that sit in a glass box and rule on all sorts of issues that they read
about when they attended class at Berkeley. And then attend the conferences where they all come up with more ways to stifle progress....
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you got that right
you could not pay me to live in Ca. |
You'd really like living in San Antonio Del Mar. There is a gully with raw sewage flowing into the ocean on the north end of the property and another
on the south end. It's a little hard to deal with the smell on a warm day, but at least there are no enviro-weenies telling you not to live kneedeep
in schitt.
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Lindalou
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Sorry, TT, Travel Trailer. We now have a MH Motorhome with a toad. A car you tow behide you. LOL RV talk
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Cypress
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RichnLinda, Thanks for the education.
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tsgarcia69
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From another forum
| Quote: | Nearly 20 years of peaceful living at Playa Punta Arena, renting from Norma Fenech, formerly of Santa Rosalia, and now living in La Paz, and with
security provided by Nacho Romo of Mulege, came to a violent, fiery end on August 12th when our palapa was criminally torched, along with every other
palapa, travel trailers, boats, trailers, cars, propane refrigerators, solar systems, generators, fishing gear, waverunners, dune buggies, and 5th
wheels. Each of our palapas was built by the homeowner, who rented their land from Norma Fenech.
We just negotiated a new rental increase for our lots in December 2006, at which time several of the homeowners spent thousands of dollars building
new palapas, sombres, fences, banos, adding large pilas, etc. All of this was done following Norma Fenech's personal reassurance that the beach would
not be sold for several years, and that there would be no further rent increases for at least 3 years.
By mid-May 2008 to early June 2008, each of us had closed up our palapas for the season and returned stateside. In mid to late June, Katyna Fenech,
daughter of Norma Fenech, the beach owner, and also a resident of La Paz, began to telephone, email, or fax each owner, telling us that we had until
July 15th to remove all of our belongings from our palapas, abandon our palapas, and get off the beach, because the beach had been sold. All of us had
prepaid rents to Norma for several months and most through October, November, and December 2008, when we would return to the beach for the season.
Returning to the beach only weeks after we had left was an impossibility, with many of us working until the fall. We hired La Paz attorney Bismark
Ortega, who successfully represented Posada Concepcion homeowners in negotiating a new lease, and he met directly with the Fenech's in La Paz on our
behalf. We made it clear that we were prepared to file suit in Santa Rosalia, if necessary, to assert our legal rights, and to deposit future rents
with the Court instead of the Fenech's, until the suit was resolved. With threats that Norma Fenech would have Nacho Romo leave the beach on July
15th, leaving the beach with no security, we even arranged for our own security in his absence. When our new security arrived, we determined that
Nacho was not leaving the beach. He said he was remaining through at least the end of October 2008, and Norma Fenech personally confirmed that he
would remain.
By the end of July, with Nacho at his home at Punta Arena everyday, monitoring a gate entrance to the beach next to his home, every indication was
that he would continue to provide security through the end of October as represented. Our new security left the beach after more than two weeks, and
communications with Norma Fenech indicated that she would consider continued rental to us beyond 2008. Mr. Ortega, our attorney, also confirmed that
there was no legal record of her being in contract to sell the beach property at this time.
On August 13th, we received word that all of our palapas had been torched to the ground. We immediatedly contacted Katyna Fenech by phone at her home
in La Paz, and guess who was at her house: Nacho Romo, of Mulege, our beach security, employed by Norma Fenech! After removing his belongings,
vehicles, dogs, wife, and personal belongings from his home at Playa Punta Arena, he traveled to La Paz on Tuesday, August 12th, leaving the beach
unguarded. Norma has confirmed for years, that we were paying for security, because she provides no water or other services. How convenient that
someone would know Nacho's schedule, know that no one else was at the beach, and torch every single palapa at Playa Punta Arena. Nothing was harmed at
Naranjo, and the two new homes at Baja Illusions, at the other end of Playa Punta Arena, were not harmed. This was no propane leak accidental fire.
Arson investigators have determined that each palapa was lit on fire in 3 or more locations. Green plants and trees between palapas were not burned.
There was no strong wind. Even the stucco home of one of our neighbors, was set on fire from the inside. This was the work of arsonists. This is not
how we planned to leave Playa Punta Arena. God Bless you and may the perpetrators, those who hired them, and those who enabled them, rot in Hell!
http://bajaforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3196024271/m/814105...
http://mulege.net/arena/
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Cypress
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tsgarcia69, Thanks for your story. Hell is getting crowded, but there's always
room for an arsonist or two. They're comfortable with fire. As long as
it isn't toasting their burro.
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tsgarcia69
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Do you think this buyer got a good deal?
http://www.bajaquest.com/re500/
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Bajajack
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After what I've seen in
the last year you couldn't get me to take over the rent.
Two years ago I would have jumped on it.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
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The story?? Quite frankly David, true or not, I find it hard to give the story any credibility because the poster does not identify themself.
It was also their first post on that site.
Hey, if peoples places and stuff were torched and knew nothing of impending problems I concede that it's very wrong and I sympathize.
I would never condone malicious arson.
It seems there is info circulating that paints a different story however.
We will have to wait and see if any bonafide info surfaces.
[Edited on 8-19-2008 by BajaNomad]
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