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woody with a view
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that must be a union gig. 6-7 guys standing around watching 1 guy do all the work!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
that must be a union gig. 6-7 guys standing around watching 1 guy do all the work! |
Cal-Trans University.
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desertcpl
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my 2 cents
first I am not a pilot,,but
1. you can replace a plane
2. you can not replace a person
3. you should not do any thing to a plane that is not FAA approved,,( I would think that if you did and some thing happened your insurance would be
invalid.)
4. I dont think you should put you and your family in a position that they should wait until you entered the plane and disarmed it. (now that is
really looking for problems.)
and or other things that would track them or take them out while in the air
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UnoMas
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There must have been an inside plant that cased the scene prior and alerting the thieves (had two days) what was necessary to pull this off. A flight
plan would not tell them they needed a torch and extra fuel. Pictures on a cell phone can be sent any where, and information that no security or
devises were in place to alert anyone by being close to the target. Knowing where the owner was at a strong possibility. If it were me looking for a
Rat I would be looking in my own back yard. Just a thought.......
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by UnoMas
There must have been an inside plant that cased the scene prior and alerting the thieves (had two days) what was necessary to pull this off. A flight
plan would not tell them they needed a torch and extra fuel. Pictures on a cell phone can be sent any where, and information that no security or
devises were in place to alert anyone by being close to the target. Knowing where the owner was at a strong possibility. If it were me looking for a
Rat I would be looking in my own back yard. Just a thought....... |
It doesn't necessarily mean that the plant (if this theory is valid) was a member or working for a Cartel. He could just be a local that was offered
money or threatened.
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by UnoMas
There must have been an inside plant that cased the scene prior and alerting the thieves (had two days) what was necessary to pull this off. A flight
plan would not tell them they needed a torch and extra fuel. Pictures on a cell phone can be sent any where, and information that no security or
devises were in place to alert anyone by being close to the target. Knowing where the owner was at a strong possibility. If it were me looking for a
Rat I would be looking in my own back yard. Just a thought....... |
It doesn't necessarily mean that the plant (if this theory is valid) was a member or working for a Cartel. He could just be a local that was offered
money or threatened. |
i.e RAT!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You can't blame Skeet for being skeptical of (some) scientists and their reports... Look at the lies and altered/ destroyed data by those U.N. and
other scientists about 'global warming', all to keep funds coming their way, from the hysteria over an obvious (to most) false claim. Governments who
want more control and money from its citizens are using that lie, still... Other world leaders are a bit more honest and have rejected the trend of
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Guess it is time for another thread to dive into this stupid over and over argument between those who do believe in science and those who believe in
right-wing conspiracy theories.
This is about a stolen airplane, about the damage to a small town that has been out of the mainstream of these problems, it is about what can or
cannot happen to help this situation, but no---------------away we go.
Now DK, tell us all about how you didn't start it, how it is your job to teach us all about everything and correct everyone else if they are wrong, or
at least wrong in your opinion, how all nomads should love each other, how at least you love everyone and want to play nice and don't poke people with
a stick every chance you get  how you have been in Baja and watched the ocean so you know the "TRUTH"--- go for it.
Or, why doesn't everyone get back to what this thread is about and try your hand in the off-topic sewer where it belongs.
The discussion about flying was interesting, even with the disagreement. |
Yes it was... then K-Rico got onto Skeet about scientific research questions... I guess you missed that, and only need to add your dos centavos to
promote the LEFT side. The big difference between our two sides Diane (and Toneart, etc.) is that the Right side isn't using selected scientists to
TAKE AWAY people's freedoms and RAISE taxes.    
Man cannot control Nature, he can only hurt himself trying.
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!
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Skeet/Loreto
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To All Posters:
I think that the Theft of small Aircraft poses another real Danger to the Border Areas.
Think about a small airicraft being stolen by one of the Terriost Groups, flown to San Diego with a Dirty Bomb on board.
It could easily be done. There has been some Investigation into the use of Crop Dusters for just such thing.
If anyone has any connections that may help develop and interest in getting anti Theft devices made please talk to them about doing Such!!
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woody with a view
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Skeet
why San Diego? what about Texas????  
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It seems to me that a small Chip with a code number could be installed in the Ignition System of any Aircraft with a small device kept by the pilot
who must feed in the code before the Ignition system could be activated.
If I were investigating this Incident, I would check out to see if a strange plane flew into Guerrero Negro and a couple of guys got a car. Were ther
any Tracks coming into the area around the plane>
Find out if a plane did come in to GN and how long did it stay??
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shari
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there were car tracks that drove up to the plane...face it...the investigating skills of the local authorities is not real up to snuff.
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
It seems to me that a small Chip with a code number could be installed in the Ignition System of any Aircraft with a small device kept by the pilot
who must feed in the code before the Ignition system could be activated.
If I were investigating this Incident, I would check out to see if a strange plane flew into Guerrero Negro and a couple of guys got a car. Were ther
any Tracks coming into the area around the plane>
Find out if a plane did come in to GN and how long did it stay??
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It's not likely that they would use GN to steal the plane, no fuel or anything else available there and lots of eyes. They could easily fly to or from
the mainland with fuel on board....dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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they found empty fuel jugs at the beginning of the runway so they fueled up...theives probably have torch cutters as part of their kit as most pilots
put a prop lock on.
[Edited on 12-24-2009 by shari]
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Skeet/Loreto
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Texas could be included but is a greater distance. They would go to where the Masses of people are concetrated. El Paso or Tucson.
I meant that the Theives could fly a Pilot into GN.
There isn't any evidence that a Plane flew somebody into Ascunion is there??
The Pilots would or could be notified and then be flown in from the MainLand. Just seems as if GN would be real handy.
Have they closed GN?? It was a Military type Airport the last ime I was there {3 months ago}. What happened?
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Skeet/Loreto
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So Shari it could be said that they came by car or Pick up with fuel. taxied the airplane to the end of the runway for fueling.
It just seems that it was not local job or connection.
Would not surpise me at all that the Cartels have a couple of groups of these Thieves on hold somewhere just waiting for someone to cross the border
in the type of plane they want.
Skeet
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shari
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Gn is open and guarded by the military. There are many remote strips everywhere around here they could land and have a vehicle waiting...easy.
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Skeet/Loreto
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shari: I appreciate your reporting and interest.
I have been working for the past year trying to get Homeland Security involed in doing some "Protection Work' South of the Border. It is difficult.
For your case as you know theres guys have to bring fuel with them as they have no way of knowing the amt. of fuel already on board.
If you also check, I doubt if there is any aviation fuel at your place.
I will contunie my efforts to get anyone I can interested in developing a small device for Mexico Pilots., I think that would be the answer. But it
will take a bunch of letters and emails to get to the right connection going.
Good Luck
Skeet
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MrBillM
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Pearls from Swine ?
Or Skeet ?
Terrorists flying pilots into GN for an aerial attack on San Diego ?
AND, they would ALSO fly in their "Dirty Bombs" or would those be purchased at the local Al Queda "Bombs r Us" ?
Where would these flights likely originate ? What if no appropriate planes for theft flew in to GN during the time frame ?
IF the Terrorists FLEW in their suicidal pilot (and Bomb ?), that would mean they already had a plane. Why would they be stealing another one ?
I'm READY, WILLING and ABLE to buy into Skeeter's conspiracy.
I'm already developing a theory that Al Queda, the Taliban, The Masonics and the Bilderbergers (funded by an international Banking Cartel) are working
on a worldwide network to utilize General Aviation Aircraft in a coordinated assault to attack and enslave us all. I've got the Aluminum shielding
mostly finished and the Microwave monitors in place, BUT I still need a little clarification first.
Count on me when those Texas Buffalo Chips are Down. I'm the Man, Skeet.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Mr. Billikins:
Since 911 there have been several reports done" Homeland Security has determined that Nuke Plants are Safe from attack from small Planes.
There is a General Aviation Govt. program right now but most of what it does is Airports and Crop Dusters.
Googel up the locations of recent Aircraft Thefts.
I think there will be an increase in these Thefts.
I would think that an Anti Theft Device would be a good Selling Point for all new and used Cessna 210's and similar aircraft.
As far as attacks on large groups of people, it does not take much Saran Gas in a low flying aircraft from TJ to spread trouble all over San Diego, El
Paso, Tucson.
And Bill I will lay you a bet with good odds that I can take a plane to Mexciali and back and never get Busted!!
Bill There are already Terroists in Mexico. as well as in the States.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I would think that an Anti Theft Device would be a good Selling Point for all new and used Cessna 210's and similar aircraft.
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Show me a good anti-theft device and I'll show you a fifteen year old who will disarm it in his sleep.
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