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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Some call it hyperbole, I call it poor taste. There are too many whack jobs out there to go around making such suggestions.
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Perhaps we need another thread on Censorship as a method of controlling what people do.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fixtrauma
[Yea, they may have a RIGHT to the highway,
but who in their right mind would trust that all the other drivers would respect that...........and furthermore.........why would you EVER entrust the
lives of you CHILDREN to the (cerebral) understanding that vehicles are to "share the road"..........................................let alone share
the road on MX1?!?!?!???]
Well put BajaNuts
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perhaps a suicide pact?
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by pacside
we happened upon a long line of cars going real slow. We thought it was an accident or a super slow truck. After awhile when it was our turn to pass
we saw what was causing the slowdown. It was two bicyclists riding side by side with a vehicle riding behind them providing protection, in essence
blocking the entire southbound lane. |
This is from the first post in the thread. The problem wasn't primarily the cyclists, it was the car blocking traffic.
To me, it remains the core of the issue. |
You're right, except for, perhaps, the car was there because of the cyclists. No cyclists, no TRAFFIC BLOCKING vehicle.
Without the TRAFFIC BLOCKING VEHICLE, it's pretty easy to pass cyclists without slowing down......................
much.
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How do you know?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ron_Perry
cycling down highway 1 is not against the law. |
Not that I have any knowledge to the contrary. Just because it's done doesn't make it legal. I assume it's illegal on the toll roads because I've seen
signs...But signs don't mean anything. In Mexico, they're just suggestions.
Over the years when confronted with behavior I find troubling research usually proves that there actually is a law prohibiting it.
Fact is that the laws in Mexico and the U.S. are similar. It's the application and enforcement that differs greatly.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
You're right, except for, perhaps, the car was there because of the cyclists. No cyclists, no TRAFFIC BLOCKING vehicle.
Without the TRAFFIC BLOCKING VEHICLE, it's pretty easy to pass cyclists without slowing down......................
much. |
Right. Your vehicle has too many mirrors anyway. 
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
You're right, except for, perhaps, the car was there because of the cyclists. No cyclists, no TRAFFIC BLOCKING vehicle.
Without the TRAFFIC BLOCKING VEHICLE, it's pretty easy to pass cyclists without slowing down......................
much. |
Right. Your vehicle has too many mirrors anyway. |
Hmmmmm, OK DENNIS, whatever you say. Sit down, slowly take a couple of deep breaths, relax, you'll be OK.
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This thread makes me scratch my head. Granted, the issue of hauling kids in trailers behind the bike is appalling. But after that, the rest seems
ridiculous. Has no one ever pass a big rig, a bus, an RV or some wildly overloaded pick up along highway 1? How is passing a single vehicle and a
couple of bicycles so much more of a challenge?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
This thread makes me scratch my head. Granted, the issue of hauling kids in trailers behind the bike is appalling. But after that, the rest seems
ridiculous. Has no one ever pass a big rig, a bus, an RV or some wildly overloaded pick up along highway 1? How is passing a single vehicle and a
couple of bicycles so much more of a challenge? |
Oh come on, surely you see the difference.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
This thread makes me scratch my head. Granted, the issue of hauling kids in trailers behind the bike is appalling. But after that, the rest seems
ridiculous. Has no one ever pass a big rig, a bus, an RV or some wildly overloaded pick up along highway 1? How is passing a single vehicle and a
couple of bicycles so much more of a challenge? |
Oh come on, surely you see the difference. |
there is no difference. slow vehicle is a slow vehicle. bikes are vehicles with same right to use the road as the slow trucks and slow RVs.
i note that many of the people here calling for banning of bikes are elderly drivers, and young folk often call for banning of elderly drivers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
This thread makes me scratch my head. Granted, the issue of hauling kids in trailers behind the bike is appalling. But after that, the rest seems
ridiculous. Has no one ever pass a big rig, a bus, an RV or some wildly overloaded pick up along highway 1? How is passing a single vehicle and a
couple of bicycles so much more of a challenge? |
Oh come on, surely you see the difference. |
there is no difference. slow vehicle is a slow vehicle. bikes are vehicles with same right to use the road as the slow trucks and slow RVs.
i note that many of the people here calling for banning of bikes are elderly drivers, and young folk often call for banning of elderly drivers
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THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE.
Define slow.
Bicycles (except race conditions) travel 5-20 mph+-
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
This thread makes me scratch my head. Granted, the issue of hauling kids in trailers behind the bike is appalling. But after that, the rest seems
ridiculous. Has no one ever pass a big rig, a bus, an RV or some wildly overloaded pick up along highway 1? How is passing a single vehicle and a
couple of bicycles so much more of a challenge? |
Oh come on, surely you see the difference. |
there is no difference. slow vehicle is a slow vehicle. bikes are vehicles with same right to use the road as the slow trucks and slow RVs.
i note that many of the people here calling for banning of bikes are elderly drivers, and young folk often call for banning of elderly drivers
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Goat, how about people in wheelchairs or on skate boards?
Or, more to the point, how about clowns juggling bowling pins on unicycles?
All vehicles.
[Edited on 1-11-2010 by k-rico]
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DENNIS
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If they were "Hands off the brakes going down to Sta. Rosalia," we wouldn't be discussing this. In my experience, they are going up hill to the Buf
with little opportunity for a car to pass without just making matters more dangerous. This is a three mile grade at about three MPH.
Screw patientce. I have better things to do. What makes it worse is I'm being forced to do it. No one asked me if they could take over the only
road for their private use.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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CAN WE HEAR FROM THE CHICKEN COOP GROUP. NOW THAT WOULD BE ENTERTAINING!
 
Edit: To Add Report Button!
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Bajahowodd
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Is This A Mexican Standoff?
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
i note that many of the people here calling for banning of bikes are elderly drivers, and young folk often call for banning of elderly drivers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Screw patientce. I have better things to do. What makes it worse is I'm being forced to do it. No one asked me if they could take over the only
road for their private use. |
Just out of curiosity, how do you pass a bicycle, especially if you have had to wait more than 30 seconds? Do you blow by them hand on the horn,
brushing them off the road as your "patience" wears out? Or do you give them space and consideration? I am not talking about bikes riding side by
side, but a solo or small group in single file going up a hill.
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wessongroup
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In my short time down in the Baja have found that things are essentially the same as they were 40 plus years ago...
Always expect the unexpected on the roads, horse or cow and now a new one, people riding bicycles on the main roads with their children ..
I just try and not get to upset with situations which tend to slow you down or cause you to say "are they got of their minds?" or something like
that...
I myself would NOT ride a bicycle on a major road in any Country.. it's a risk I have considered and one which I would not take... used to ride
motorcycles too, stopped riding them on surface streets too...
Call me a sissy, but had a few very close calls, and got banged up a couple of times.. you usually lose to a Car which in my book is a "vehicle". A
bicycle is a means of transportation... yeah, I know.. it's defined as a "vehicle" under the Department of Transportation, but they are looking to put
a "license" on anything they can for the "fees"
As I recall the Freeway system in the United States was develop for "Rapid Transit of motor vehicles".. it may not accomplish that all the time.. but,
that was the INTENT... I don't recall anyone talking about riding a bicycle on the Santa Ana Freeway... or any of the other major transportation
corridors across the Nation.. they were set up for cars...
I too have ridden bikes, but NEVER thought of getting out into lanes with REAL TRAFFIC.. sorry in my view the lanes are for cars, trucks, RV's buss's
and the like... bicycles and horse fall into the same category, a means of transportation that still exists, but is not realist on todays Highways
I understand that this limits the ability of bike riders.. but, taken on a whole ... why should the majority be ENDANGERED for the wants and desires
of few of folks trying to use the road with bicycles..
How many bikes on MX 1 per day compared to how many VEHICLES as stated above?
Seems it may be legal under an interpretation of the Department of Transportation and/or local Government.. when's the last time you found that these
interpretations were real "cracker jack" ideas from OUR Government or others..
Just my 2 cents
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ELINVESTIG8R
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QUESTIONS
1. What is the law regarding bicyclists on
Mexico's main highways.
2. Are there any?
3. What are they if there is?
4. Must you ride going with traffic or against
traffic, etc. etc. etc.
5. Do any of you who ride the main highways
know?
Let us know please if you do know!
Edit: To make my question plural!
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One thing you can be sure of. Hogging a whole lane on HWY 1 on a bicycle won't make you any friends. And friends come in mighty handy.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja12valve
Just out of curiosity, how do you pass a bicycle, especially if you have had to wait more than 30 seconds? Do you blow by them hand on the horn,
brushing them off the road as your "patience" wears out? Or do you give them space and consideration? I am not talking about bikes riding side by
side, but a solo or small group in single file going up a hill. |
I give everybody space...and consideration. I'm not afflicted with Road Rage. That's not to say I'm not internally enraged by this behavior because
their selfish act does inspire revulsion.
I've never, in over 50 years of driving, been involved in a wreck. Not even a small one. I'm an attentive and considerate driver.
I don't blow my horn or give the finger, especially not down here when the person you're responding to could have an automatic weapon in his lap. I
just pass and go on my way.That's all I want and all I'm entitled to do.
When that entitlement is denied because some arrogant a-hole has decided his activity on a public road trumps my right to progress at a legal speed,
I object.
My doctors say I'm not a well person and meds have a tendency to be inconsistant so, I hope they don't fail at the wrong time. Otherwise, my new hood
ornament might say, "NNIWHCS."
SALUD
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Fair enough. Thank You.
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