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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jeans
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
NOTHING was sent to save Mike... It was like too bad, but you got sick at a bad time of day. |
How can you say that? The decision to go by ground was made 30 minutes after first calling Celia. You are suggesting callus disregard on her part.
>>> Yes, the decision was made AFTER calling Celia... who could do nothing to help a man with a heart attack... THAT's the point, you can't
wait around <<<
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If Celia or one of her associates returned my call or email, I may be still paying her... It is a very reasonable fee, but only valuable if it works.
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It does work, if a rescue is possible. That is not always the case.
Your call should have been returned if only to tell you she could not discuss the details without permission, as she did with me. I do know that back
then she was not proficient on email.
If your tone was as accuatory as it seems to be now, yeah...that would make someone real eager to return a phone call. |
Oh come on, you know me and you know I am the nicest person to deal with and always optimisic about Baja people being good, there was no 'tone'. I do
my best to help people and support those with Baja businesses. Viva Baja events were no small task. Remember how I tried to help to get your CD set
back and it caused me years of harassment from some including friends... pah-lease.
I would have continued to support Celia in a big way if she only made a little effort to return a call or email... just once!
Celia or her staff did not return calls or emails... and they were NOT about Mike... some where about membership services.
Did you read fishbuck's post today that the email question he sent last night was returned because the email address on her web site is no good?
I would sure like to hear from another Nomad (who is not a personal friend of Celia) who was saved because of their membership.
[Edited on 1-30-2010 by David K]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
In regards to the detour this post, not unusually, has taken, if someone has a chronic condition, they do have a personal responsibility to address
it. |
Agreed...
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by jeans
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
NOTHING was sent to save Mike... It was like too bad, but you got sick at a bad time of day. |
How can you say that? The decision to go by ground was made 30 minutes after first calling Celia. You are suggesting callus disregard on her part.
>>> Yes, the decision was made AFTER calling Celia... who could do nothing to help a man with a heart attack... THAT's the point, you can't
wait around <<<
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If Celia or one of her associates returned my call or email, I may be still paying her... It is a very reasonable fee, but only valuable if it works.
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It does work, if a rescue is possible. That is not always the case.
Your call should have been returned if only to tell you she could not discuss the details without permission, as she did with me. I do know that back
then she was not proficient on email.
If your tone was as accuatory as it seems to be now, yeah...that would make someone real eager to return a phone call. |
Oh come on, you know me and you know I am the nicest person to deal with and always optimisic about Baja people being good, there was no 'tone'. I do
my best to help people and support those with Baja businesses. Viva Baja events were no small task. Remember how I tried to help to get your CD set
back and it caused me years of harassment from some including friends... pah-lease.
I would have continued to support Celia in a big way if she only made a little effort to return a call or email... just once!
Celia or her staff did not return calls or emails... and they were NOT about Mike... some where about membership services.
Did you read fishbuck's post today that the email question he sent last night was returned because the email address on her web site is no good?
I would sure like to hear from another Nomad (who is not a personal friend of Celia) who was saved because of their membership.
[Edited on 1-30-2010 by David K] |
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Oh come on, you know me and you know I am the nicest person to deal with and always optimisic about Baja people being good, there was no 'tone'. I do
my best to help people and support those with Baja businesses. Viva Baja events were no small task. Remember how I tried to help to get your CD set
back and it caused me years of harassment from some including friends... pah-lease. ""
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jeans
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Oh my....I see from rts551's quote from you DK, that you had thought better of your remark about a CD situation 9 years ago, and changed your post.
Very interesting. Correction: Whoops, I am wrong. I had not caught that reference the first time I read your post. My Bad.
I had come back to the board to report that I called BEMCC's phone number on the website. It is a 24 hour line and Celia called me back within 5
minutes as she did 5 years ago when we didn't know each other. I also used the contact form and got a response from Steve, the IT director almost
immediate telling me, yes the form is working fine.
[Edited on 1-30-2010 by jeans]
Mom always told me to be different - Now she says...Not THAT different
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David K
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That's great... I would hope that it would be working again! I still would like to hear from a customer/ member of Bi-National who is not a personal
friend of Celia that had an actual evacuation performed thanks to her organization. We can't bring MH back, so no need to dwell beyond the action or
lack of action provided. Some other examples please?
Fishbuck, any luck on that email...? I saw a new Nomad just joined and provided a new email address in one of te other threads.
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TMW
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Here is what they have on their web site. Surely there would be negative press if they were not doing what they say they can do.
TW
Some BEMCC evacuation stories from Mexico:
• An American fisherman in Ensenada, and a subscriber to Western Outdoor News who had read about BEMCC in that newspaper, was evacuated to the UCSD
Trauma Center in San Diego after he was crushed between his boat and a marina dock. UCSD sent a trauma unit which was waiting for the man at the
border.
• Another fisherman, 73 years old and semiconscious, was brought back from Mazatlan after his wife called to report he was in critical condition with
dengue fever and kidney failure.
• A U.S. Coast Guard helicopter made a midnight flight to a remote village at Gonzaga Bay on Baja California's Sea of Cortez coast to pick up a
78-year-old woman who had broken her hip in a fall. The woman was transported by air directly to Sharp Memorial Hospital in San Diego and was saved.
Article as published in Western Outdoor News.
• An injured motorcyclist, and his motorcycle as well, were rescued by a Mexican military helicopter from a very remote location in central Baja
California, determined by satellite phone and GPS coordinates. The BEMCC coordinated this evacuation through the Secretaria de Marina, Estado Mayor
General, in Mexico City.
(NOTE: Although satellite phones and GPS navigation units are very valuable aids in locating injured persons in remote locations, remote pickup by
helicopter is an extreme measure, not always possible to coordinate with the military services. If at all possible, injured persons should be properly
moved at least to a known village for pickup by ground ambulance or conventional aircraft. Travelers are forewarned that rescue may not be possible in
extremely remote locations, due to the unavailability of suitable equipment.)
• A U.S. serviceman and Iraq veteran was severely injured in a car accident while on leave in Puerto Vallarta. After conventional air ambulance
evacuation could not be arranged, he was bought to Virgina for emergency medical treatment in a U.S. Air Force DC-10 that flew to Puerto Vallarta to
pick him up with a medical team. The BEMCC also convinced the clinic in Puerto Vallarta to release the man when it guaranteed that his $15,000 bill
would be paid. Article as published in Western Outdoor News.
• A newborn child born three months prematurely in Tijuana, was saved when it was evacuated to Children's Hospital in San Diego. The BEMCC arranged an
instant visa for the child with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service in order to make the cross-border transport possible.
• A man suffered a heart attack in Ensenada and was told he could not be moved. He was also suffering from pneumonia and kidney problems. The
Binational Medical Care Committee sent a fully equipped ambulance that returned him to Sharp Memorial Hospital in San Diego in time to save his life.
• A U.S. Marine was being held by Tijuana authorities as the person responsible for a traffic accident, even though he was injured and required
medical care. The BEMCC convinced authorities that the man was covered by his Mexican insurance policy and negotiated his immediate release to a U.S.
trauma center.
• Other medical evacuations, totaling up to 28 in a single month, were effected from Mexican locations such as San Felipe, Rocky Point (Puerto
Penasco), Guaymas, Rosarito Beach, Ciudad Obregon, Hermosillo, and Cabo San Lucas. The cases involved such emergencies as traffic accidents, boating
accidents, heart attacks, premature births, fractures, food poisoning, and victims of violent crime.
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David K
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With all that on THEIR web site, surely there is a Baja Nomad or Nomad friend/ family member who is one of those (other than jeans' mom)?
Can we also learn what the actual evacuation cost is when arranged by Bi-National, or if contacted direct not using Celia?... Thousands of dollars (if
you don't have air-evac insurance)?
Thanks Tom!
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Debra
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Whoa, in no way was I blaming Celia for what happened with Mike. I'm sure that she did what she could.
My understanding from talking to Mary Ann was that this all started about 4pm, Mike, being Mike was being sturborn about seeking help for 2 days
before he finally agreed to seek help. I'm sure Celia tried but couldn't get permission to land as dark was coming when the Doctor saw Mike and
realized that it was a life threating situation. That is why I made the comment that the whole village would have been at the airport within minutes
to light up the
runway. With this situation I would hope a lesson would be learned and that soultion to the night flight problem could maybe be handeled in the
futher. I reacted with grief and anger at loosing my friend/foe/pain in my butt. Jeans, if you remember, you know why, I won't go into that in is
this forum. Mary Ann did not drive Mike to SQ she followed an hour or so later, he was gone when she got there.
I have no doubt that Celia is a compassionate and caring person and does everything she can, can you imagine the stress she must have been under? Her
hands were tied. Enough said.........
Mean people suck!
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David K
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Debra, I don't see where you (or anyone) was blaming Celia. After you brought up the Humfreville incident, I wanted to know why they couldn't help in
ANY way at all... then I asked for Nomads that know of anyone who had Celia's service provide an evacuation other than jeans' mom.
I used to promote Celia myself, because I 'heard' lot's of good stuff and because someone was giving her such a hard time... who has been banned from
this site. I don't dislike Celia, she seems to be a nice person, I have talked to her in person at Mexico Ted's events... It is her business I am
questioning... the unanswered emails, non-returned phone calls, no other personal confirmation of the services provided, etc.
As you and others have said to me here and via u2u, Mike Humfreville had only himself to blame for not getting help sooner. Perhaps he wanted to die
in his beloved Baja? I was more concerned for the stress that Mary Ann must have gone through that day in trying to get help for Mike from Celia.
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DERN
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BOY HAS THIS THING TAKEN A TURN
I saw that C-130 taking off from Ensenada. I had no clue as to what it was up to. Now I know.?
D.
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Debra
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Okay, David I'm going to call you on this one "MOST LIBS?" Best dump that label my friend! Bad on ya.........
This is what the Coast Guard does.....Sheesh! when I was in Costa Rica a few years ago, when I landed at the airport there were several American
Coast Guard planes there and helos.......cilivians? Good grief, has anyone been in Alaska? Do you know what they do? (well, besided their monthly
flight in to my yard to go to the store and pick up cases, and cases, of booze.........this was 1972 however) Does anyone here watch 'Deadliest
Catch" those are civilians and the number one priority of the Kodak and St. Paul Coast Guard watch. So excuse me, you that think that our tax dollars
shouldn't be spent for the likes of Jeans Mom, or Doug( the Gonzaga guy, sorry, I gave the "un-worthey one a name).get the heck over it, Thank you
Debra
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You have selective standards or what?
U.S. Coast Gaurd to rescue U.S. citizens... why is that so hard for you to understand or desire? If your family member's life could be saved by an
air-lift, would you turn it down?
Like most LIBs you think we should LOWER our standards or quality of life to match poorer countries... You feel guilty for our greatness.
We conservatives believe in the God given freedoms that ALL people should have and become as prosperous as they desire... in all countries. It is
greedy governments that keep its people poor... or in our (U.S.) case this year, try to make as many poor as possible to gain more power over us.
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Mean people suck!
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rts551
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Whoa Debra/brenda
This thread is two months old...
Don't want to be rude again... but time to move on
Ralph/Rude
| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
Okay, David I'm going to call you on this one "MOST LIBS?" Best dump that label my friend! Bad on ya.........
This is what the Coast Guard does.....Sheesh! when I was in Costa Rica a few years ago, when I landed at the airport there were several American
Coast Guard planes there and helos.......cilivians? Good grief, has anyone been in Alaska? Do you know what they do? (well, besided their monthly
flight in to my yard to go to the store and pick up cases, and cases, of booze.........this was 1972 however) Does anyone here watch 'Deadliest
Catch" those are civilians and the number one priority of the Kodak and St. Paul Coast Guard watch. So excuse me, you that think that our tax dollars
shouldn't be spent for the likes of Jeans Mom, or Doug( the Gonzaga guy, sorry, I gave the "un-worthey one a name).get the heck over it, Thank you
Debra
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You have selective standards or what?
U.S. Coast Gaurd to rescue U.S. citizens... why is that so hard for you to understand or desire? If your family member's life could be saved by an
air-lift, would you turn it down?
Like most LIBs you think we should LOWER our standards or quality of life to match poorer countries... You feel guilty for our greatness.
We conservatives believe in the God given freedoms that ALL people should have and become as prosperous as they desire... in all countries. It is
greedy governments that keep its people poor... or in our (U.S.) case this year, try to make as many poor as possible to gain more power over us.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
This thread is two months old...
Don't want to be rude again... but time to move on |
She takes long sabbaticals from here and I think she's trying to catch up.
It's all good.
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David K
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Yah, Ralph is right... this is long past post... note the dates of the thread when it started... but, I apologize for calling a Lib a Lib, or whatever
it was I did (I don't want to reread the thing again...). I didn't know it was a bad word... but maybe now it is?  
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Debra
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Yes you are right what is it? rst551? It just popped up in my face........sorry , my bad..............but, it has been something that has given me
pause....
Thanks to you Dennis and thank you "rts551, for "not wanting to be rude again" Sheeze!
Mean people suck!
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