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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The worst I have done (if it is bad) is call those on the left 'libs' or 'lefties'... |
dk: i know you mean those terms as insults. but they are not insults. i am a liberal, leftist, tax and spend democrat, pro-choice,
environmentalist, greenie; whatever you want to call me, i wear your slur with honor  |
No, sorry but I didn't mean them that way... and I said so... Have a nice day Señor Cabra de la Montaña del Diablo.
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Skipjack Joe
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Bravo David! Thank you for taking the high road and not being sucked in.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
....... i am a liberal, leftist, tax and spend democrat, pro-choice, environmentalist, greenie....................... |
There are cures for that!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Well... some 'truth icing' on the cake of lies, baked in Washington...
By KEN THOMAS
The Associated Press
updated 2/8/2011 3:11:11 PM ET 2011-02-08T20:11:11
Share Print Font: +-WASHINGTON —
The Obama administration's investigation into Toyota safety problems found no electronic flaws to account for reports of sudden, unintentional
acceleration and other safety problems.
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The following comes from a Canadian poster on another forum... but sums it all up quite well!:
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Facts are simple;
1) brakes are stronger than engine, so if braking doesn't stop you, your vehicle was improperly maintained and it is your own fault.
2) turning off the engine or putting it in neutral WILL stop the engine, even if your brakes are worn beyond tolerance.
3) People who can't figure out to turn off the bloody engine should NOT be allowed to drive!
4) Drivers tests should include mandatory BRAKE, ENGINE-STUCK-FULL, and STEERING failure scenario examinations for MULTIPLE road surfaces and
conditions. If a driver fails to respond reasonably in an emergency, they should NOT be authorized to drive.
5) There is NOT ONE VEHICLE made worldwide that can't, under certain conditions, end up with a stuck-full throttle. I've been in MORE THAN ONE while
it happened, NEVER a toyota, and ZERO loss of control. |
People that don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion should be banned from the Internet.
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David K
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Agreed! 
The good news that the media hysteria that Toyotas are 'dangerous' by design is over (hopefully)... I never was worried,... by experinces in Baja, I
knew Toyota is one fine built truck... Again a big thanks to Neal Johns for pushing me towards Toyota back in 2000... and to Bajaboy, jeans, Taco de
Baja, BajaTaco, and countless other Baja Tacoma owners who sang praises of their trucks! 
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The following comes from a Canadian poster on another forum... but sums it all up quite well!:
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it was an artificial flaw manufactured by the US government (aka "GM") to protect their own interests. Standard american way of doing things;
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dk:
you buy into some crazy conspiracy theories.
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Ken Cooke
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Toyota Abuse Victim!
Me likes to Smash'em & Trash'em!
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They should recall them all and install disc brakes on the rear instead of those crappy drum brakes.
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woody with a view
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i'm pretty sure the 2010 tundra isn't a 4.6/7 motor.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
They should recall them all and install disc brakes on the rear instead of those crappy drum brakes. |
There are very good reasons for having drum brakes on the back of pickups... specially those that off road.
Here are some replies on another forum about why Toyota uses drums on the back of a Tacoma:
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Drums work just fine and in some cases can have more braking power than discs due to more surface area. Semis still use drums all around. Discs do
dissipate heat better though.
Alot of trucks are using drums and I received an answer to this one time which I still believe is fair: Calipers in the rear are exposed to alot of
debris and spray that can cause corrosion and general headaches compared to a car which is lower and doesn't throw as much towards the back of the
vehicle. Drums being a sealed unit avoids this and especially in winter climates where road salt/calcium is used, it avoids alot of premature brake
issues down the road.
All my toyota trucks since 87 have had drums & never had a problem or spent a dime & have stopped very well. I do not think this is where
toyota cheaped out
I couldn't agree more.
I just replaced my wifes rear brakes on her 2008 civic with just 50,000 miles (the fronts still had almost 50%).
My 96 tacoma had 200,000 miles on the drums and they were still fine. I'll glad there are drums on my 2008 Tacoma.
A truck should have drums in the rear. 4 wheel discs are for heat dissipation...on cars...especially sports cars. When I see big 'ole Chevy and Ford
pickups with rear discs, I just shake my head. Just another effort to make trucks into cars.
The guys who say it's about debris hitting the rear brakes are correct (although I imagine cost and weight distribution played a role along the way).
We have a house in the country, lots of gravel roads. I had to do a brake job on my wife's MINI this past spring, and the rear rotors were literally
crumbling in my hands. A friend has a Lincoln pickup with discs in the rear, and they take a terrible beating. I think in a real truck environment,
drums at the rear are just smart engineering, IMHO.
This is the real reason for drum brakes in the rear of a pickup truck. Most of the weight is transferred to the front of the truck when the brakes are
applied and the rear brakes do very little work.
A drum brake is lighter than a disc brake that provides the same breaking power, and with the light rear end that is on the tacoma you want as little
unsprung weight as possible. The FJ 4runner and tundra are all much heavier in the rear than a tacoma, so they can run heavier brakes without worrying
about wheel hop and other problems that come with too much unsprung weight
Accoding to this website
http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/tec...7/article.html
it's all about production cost. As buddywh1 so well stated in the last post, the front brakes do the lion share of the braking work so essentially the
rear drums are there for backup. My truck is on its third set of front pads at 90,000mi while the original rear pads are still at 70%. That says it
all.
One reason that I have not seen mentioned yet (maybe I missed it) is that Drums have much better clamping/holding power once you are stopped. This may
not seem too important initially but if you are off-roading and get on a hill, then something goes wrong, you don't want to end up sliding or creeping
down the hill while you are working on getting that wench tied off.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The worst I have done (if it is bad) is call those on the left 'libs' or 'lefties'... |
i am a liberal, leftist, tax and spend democrat, pro-choice, environmentalist, greenie; whatever you want to call me,
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Is it OK to call you gullible? If not, you're just another brick in the liberal wall, that is beginning to crumble. "Tear down this wall " comes to mind.
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DK, My F350 has disc brakes in the rear and the bad thing about them is that the emergency brake doesn't hold for crap. Even after having been totally
rebuilt I have to mash it all the way to the floor and can't trust it on anything steeper than about 10º.
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F350 with rear disk has a separate drum ("drum in hat") inside the disc. That's the parking brake - the discs are not used at all for that purpose.
Sounds like your cable needs tensioning, or the shoe needs replacing.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
F350 with rear disk has a separate drum ("drum in hat") inside the disc. That's the parking brake - the discs are not used at all for that purpose.
Sounds like your cable needs tensioning, or the shoe needs replacing. |
My mechanic replaced the shoes and
adjusted the cable but I still don't trust the thing on a hill with the parking brake. I think those little drums just don't offer enough surface area
to hold a vehicle of that weight.
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! ! ! ! ! ! NEW TOYOTA RECALL ! ! ! ! ! ! >2MM vehicles deadly floor mats, gas pedals
Toyota recalls 2.17 million vehicles in US
By KEN THOMAS, Associated Press
WASHINGTON – Toyota Motor Corp. recalled 2.17 million vehicles in the United States on Thursday to address accelerator pedals that could become
entrapped in floor mats or jammed in driver's side carpeting, prompting federal regulators to close its investigation into the embattled automaker.
The Transportation Department said it had reviewed more than 400,000 pages of Toyota documents to determine whether the scope of the company's recalls
for pedal entrapment was sufficient.
"As a result of the agency's review, (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) asked Toyota to recall these additional vehicles, and now
that the company has done so, our investigation is closed," said NHTSA administrator David Strickland.
Toyota has now recalled more than 14 million vehicles globally to fix gas pedals and other safety problems since 2009. U.S. regulators said earlier
this month that electronic flaws were not to blame for reports of sudden, unintended acceleration. The company paid the U.S. government a record $48.8
million in fines for its handling of three recalls.
The world's No. 1 auto company said more than half of the vehicles under recall were being added to a massive 2009 recall that fixed gas pedals
getting trapped in the floor mat.
The Japanese automaker said it would add three models to the 2009 pedal entrapment recall: about 600,000 4Runner SUVs from the 2003-2009 model years;
761,000 RAV4 compact SUVs from the 2006-2010 model years; and 17,000 Lexus LX 570s from the 2008-2011 model years.
The recall also includes 372,000 RX 330, RX 350 and RX 400H vehicles from the 2004 through early 2007 model years and 397,000 2004-2006 Toyota
Highlander SUVs and hybrid versions to replace floor carpet covering and retention clips on the driver's side that could interfere with the
accelerator pedal arm.
Toyota also recalled 20,000 2006 through early 2007 GS 300 and GS 350 all-wheel drive vehicles to change the shape of a plastic pad embedded in the
driver's side floor carpet that could cause pedal interference.
Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons said the company was unaware of any accidents or injuries related to the new recalls.
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Yep, if you are so stupid to put multiple floor matts on top of each other, they will interfere with the gas pedal (duh!).
So, for the idiots to keep them from killing themselves, Toyota will change the gas pedal for free. Of course this will perhaps also save future users
of loaner cars which have 2 or more floor mats on the same side... the sad event that killed a San Diego area fanily in Santee that started this...
They were in a Lexus loaner car.
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805gregg
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Toyota recalls 2,000,000 more vehicles, thats a total of 14,000,000 since 2009, great vehicles.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
i'm pretty sure the 2010 tundra isn't a 4.6/7 motor. |
Those numbers came from Edmunds.com
As did the engine size...
Wanted to see what they all looked like side by side... along with the reviews by the owners... and the cost per mile to operate... as that is
usually how I buy a car.... what's it costs to run....
If Edmund's is incorrect, one should contact them to inform them of their mistake and/or mistakes... on the subject...
http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/tundra/2010/road-test.html
[Edited on 2-24-2011 by wessongroup]
[Edited on 2-24-2011 by wessongroup]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
Toyota recalls 2,000,000 more vehicles, thats a total of 14,000,000 since 2009, great vehicles. |
Yes, they do... better safe than sorry for you folks who put two or more floor mats on the same side.
My truck was made in 2009, I got it in December of that year... I have had it dfor over 20,000 mils so far and there have been no problems, failures,
recalls (other than the gas pedal mod, which I declined to have done)... and has been the most awesome of my three Tacomas.
It is a 4WD, Off Road TRD, Double Cab, 4.0 V-6, automatic... The Off Road 4x4s have Active Traction Control (A-TRAC)... which can pull you out of a
stuck with only one tire having traction, if the other three have none... no more one tire in front and one in back spinning while the other two do
nothing! The thing can climb like a mountain goat, too!
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Yes, they do... better safe than sorry for you folks who put two or more floor mats on the same side.
You might say that to the Highway Patrol Officer and 3 family members now deceased because of Toyota, it wasn't Toyota's fault but they paid the
relatives $ 10,000,000 dollars. Lets face it Dave they could put your engine in upside down and you would think it good. Maybe Ferrari should go back
to drum brakes on their cars because Toyota chooses to cheap out on Crapcomas.
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