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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Thank you amigos... I truly don't want any enemies among Baja Nomads. I am sorry if I upset anyone that thinks differently about the purpose of
government than I. I only like to discuss topics and if you can promote't your views, then I want to promote mine, that's all. I would far rather talk
here about Baja... camping, off roading, history, and the like.
As far as tax payer... oh indeed yes, if I didn't pay so much tax money, I could have a retirement savings and more Baja fun trips! 4 times a year I
pay thousands as a self employed business owner.
Now, let's have fun... and until I have a Mr. Fusion on my Tacoma, I need gasoline... so drill baby drill! |
I am impressed. Thousands 4 times a year in tax payments.. You should be happy with the economy the way it is. Now I know why you don't take
trips...You are too busy...figuring all those tax payments |
Yes, people in business are required to file quarterly... Employees have it taken out of their paycheck before they get to touch it. That's kind of
sad because it isn't as painful to see what is taken from you. I have a tax accountant figuring all my taxes. I am busy praying for a government that
represents the working man and business owner... not the crooks who are screwing up America now.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MMc
I disagree with DK on many things Baja but I do not remember him calling anybody names or personally attacking them first, He might baited a few. He
has every right to post what he does and some of us can disagree.
[Edited on 10-18-2014 by MMc] |
Well, he has called people names, including strongly suggesting that they are lying ---- one must see things his way, to avoid that. Has happened a
lot over the years.
But, he will continue to blame others for everything that was not so good in his life, his participation around here and his lack of business --- ad
nauseum. So that is the end of this! amen.
Except it is a good time to get some cheese to go along with the inevitable whine.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by MMc
I disagree with DK on many things Baja but I do not remember him calling anybody names or personally attacking them first, He might baited a few. He
has every right to post what he does and some of us can disagree.
[Edited on 10-18-2014 by MMc] |
Well, he has called people names, including strongly suggesting that they are lying ---- one must see things his way, to avoid that. Has happened a
lot over the years.
But, he will continue to blame others for everything that was not so good in his life, his participation around here and his lack of business --- ad
nauseum. So that is the end of this! amen.
Except it is a good time to get some cheese to go along with the inevitable whine. |
Oh no. Diane.. thousands quarterly. This means he is pushing the threshold of small business.
We need \to apologize. hink about it. How does he even have time to be to poster per day?
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MMc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by MMc
I disagree with DK on many things Baja but I do not remember him calling anybody names or personally attacking them first, He might baited a few. He
has every right to post what he does and some of us can disagree.
[Edited on 10-18-2014 by MMc] |
Well, he has called people names, including strongly suggesting that they are lying ---- one must see things his way, to avoid that. Has happened a
lot over the years.
But, he will continue to blame others for everything that was not so good in his life, his participation around here and his lack of business --- ad
nauseum. So that is the end of this! amen.
Except it is a good time to get some cheese to go along with the inevitable whine. |
OK, maybe he has called people names. I am very thick skinned and could never be insulted by anybody on this board.
As for blaming others for his life condition I think he owns that on a personal level, it is the macro he has issues with.
Now can we get back to Baja. David loves that we are posting about him. I'm over it.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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bajabuddha
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Let me put a different cant on the current whine; my parents taught me to not discuss ''politics and religion'' at the public table, only in private,
and then just discuss; otherwise will lead to the inevitable irreconcilable arguments. How about talking about your personal sex life or your toilet
habits? Hey, how was your bowel movement today?? As good as your political one?? IT'S ALL PERSONAL PREFERENCE, DK. Opinions, especially
political, are like rectums; everyone has (at least) one. They all smell about the same, and your own doesn't stink... rule of thumb (pun
intended). This is not a political forum; OT is. A few posts above you bring up Hitler and Iraq, and of course, you can justify it by way of Big
Oil, but jeez, Sparky... get a grip. Folks aren't attacking you, they're just tired of your 2 pounds of bullpuckey in a one pound bag.
STICK TO MAPS.
GET ON THE BALLOT, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD.
LIGHTEN UP, LENORE.
whew. Back to you, Chet.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by MMc
I disagree with DK on many things Baja but I do not remember him calling anybody names or personally attacking them first, He might baited a few. He
has every right to post what he does and some of us can disagree.
[Edited on 10-18-2014 by MMc] |
Well, he has called people names, including strongly suggesting that they are lying ---- one must see things his way, to avoid that. Has happened a
lot over the years.
But, he will continue to blame others for everything that was not so good in his life, his participation around here and his lack of business --- ad
nauseum. So that is the end of this! amen.
Except it is a good time to get some cheese to go along with the inevitable whine. |
So far a lot of accusations of name calling and no backup with facts...from any of the whining parties. Maybe time to put the examples up or stfu.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
So far a lot of accusations of name calling and no backup with facts...from any of the whining parties. Maybe time to put the examples up or stfu.
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Nah --- it has been rehashed over and over again, dug up over and over again, and no need to do it again. Very time consuming. Baja can be seen in
many ways. Sorry it got your hackles up ---
[Edited on 10-19-2014 by DianaT]
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Sweetwater
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
What a relief, I was getting tired of carrying the ball as "the only expert" about oilfield issues on Nomad. I've spent the last year scouring stories
on the internet pouring over every internet blog I can find to sound like the local expert on all things "energy". I was about to run out of "industry
sponsored hype", this couldn't have come at a better time. To tell you the truth it is like a stone has been lifted off my head, it is actually a
relief to have been "found out". I'm going to seek out a group, perhaps a 12 step program to try to get my life back.
You've got the ball sweetwater, run with it.... |
Nice deflection......again......Good luck with that agenda....if it meets your needs......go with it.......
[Edited on 10-19-2014 by Sweetwater]
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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micah202
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....current fuel prices point to an interesting irony....apparently the glut in oil and natural gas combine with a slowing economy to drive oil
prices,,investment,,and share prices down 
.......but hey,,gas is cheap---drive ON!!! 
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
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....current fuel prices point to an interesting irony....apparently the glut in oil and natural gas combine with a slowing economy to drive oil
prices,,investment,,and share prices down
.......but hey,,gas is cheap---drive ON!!! |
Global temps skyrocketing. Global warming real. Petro economy is Bad for your lungs, bad for climate. Alternative energy now! Real cost to society
for petro economy is bad health, climate change, wars over control of oil producing lands. Price at pump maybe cheap. True cost to society is paid by
others.
[Edited on 10-20-2014 by mtgoat666]
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micah202
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
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....current fuel prices point to an interesting irony....apparently the glut in oil and natural gas combine with a slowing economy to drive oil
prices,,investment,,and share prices down
.......but hey,,gas is cheap---drive ON!!! |
Global temps skyrocketing. Global warming real. Petro economy is Bad for your lungs, bad for climate. Alternative energy now! Real cost to society
for petro economy is bad health, climate change, wars over control of oil producing lands. Price at pump maybe cheap. True cost to society is paid by
others.
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...yeh,,many would agree,,,,some not 
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
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....current fuel prices point to an interesting irony....apparently the glut in oil and natural gas combine with a slowing economy to drive oil
prices,,investment,,and share prices down
.......but hey,,gas is cheap---drive ON!!! |
Global temps skyrocketing. Global warming real. Petro economy is Bad for your lungs, bad for climate. Alternative energy now! Real cost to society
for petro economy is bad health, climate change, wars over control of oil producing lands. Price at pump maybe cheap. True cost to society is paid by
others.
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...yeh,,many would agree,,,,some not |
air pollution from combustion of fossil fuels causes untold numbers of respiratory diseases and premature death.
our reliance on plastic packaging is fossil fuel waste run amok. the plastic causes untold diseases from our consumption of phthalates and other
compounds whose health effects we don't even know of.
wars over oil-producing regions causes untold deaths, and wastes enormous amount of government resources that would be better spent on domestic
infrastructure and education.
the damage of ecosystems is immense.
and all you numb nuts think about is thew price per gallon at the gas pump and the kWhr rate you pay to run your AC in your over-sized cookie cutter
stucco box on the hill.
try walking to the store, get rid of your lard butt, and conserve a little bit of fuel.
try planting a tree to shade your house and conserve a little electricity.
do you really need to drink all that water from single use plastic container? cant you use that reusable water bottle?
try taking up an active sport like hiking or biking instead of passive offroading that only increases the girth of your lard butt.
it's not easy being green!
give a hoot, don't pollute!
reduce, reuse, recycle!
Don't be mean, be green!
Show you care, do your share!
Global warming is not cool!
"We all moan and groan about the loss of the quality of life through the destruction of our ecology, and yet every one of us, in our own little
comfortable ways, contributes daily to that destruction. It's time now to awaken in each one of us the respect and attention our beloved Mother
deserves." - Ed Asner
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motoged
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Beyond Fracking
And it's not just the frackin' issue.
I was moved by these two documentaries I saw on the Knowledge Network last week....so simple, yet so powerful; you can watch these on yer 'puter:
https://www.knowledge.ca/program/sand-wars
https://www.knowledge.ca/program/dirt-movie
Don't believe everything you think....
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dtbushpilot
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Watched a pretty good show on CNN last night: "This is life with Lisa Ling", the topic was the oil boom in Williston ND. It covered pretty much every
aspect of the good and bad associated with the current boom taking place there, all sides seemed represented, a lot of info on the topics covered in
this thread. It will air again 10-24 evening after Anderson Cooper 360. Check it out....
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
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Anyone who has experienced the Boom/Bust economy that comes with the other issues that are in the article.
Circa 1969, Sweetwater county, Wyoming, Jim Bridger Power Plant. Small, towns with a rugged history swell by 3-5 times the stable population. Kinda
like the current Dakota experiences, returning 'Nam vets take high paying jobs, live in tent camps (not so many RV's back in that day). Nam vets were
notorious for being battle hardened, violent and wanting their vices, drugs and women. It took the area 25 years to recover and many residents died in
that process. But that's just my experience so I'm sure you have an objective view........
Also, since you seem to believe yourself to be the only expert, I grew up working the original fracs in the Johah field, Pinedale Anticline and
Wamsutter field....I've got history working ranches, fields and underground mining throughout the late '60s, 70's and so on. I'm happy to exchange
stories and real information about these topics. I would also point out that those areas bear little resemblance to what they looked like 50 years
ago. 5 acre well pads, roads, gas condensers, well heads, pipelines and those pesky dumps of both solid and liquid waste.
My bro' in law has been a well inspector for Wyoming for 3 decads and I've run an OIL/Natural Gas blog elsewhere on the interwebs for well over a
decade....happy to swap credentials with you if you have more than industry sponsored hype to share........
Please tell us more about your experience in the Jonah Field, Pinedale anticline and Wamsutter field. Back in the day (70's) I was aware of some
activity in those areas and there was even a proposal by El Paso Natural Gas to use small nuclear explosions underground to fracture the formation to
stimulate gas production ( a frontrunner to today's fracking techniques). They tried the same thing at a site near Farmington NM where I worked called
the "Gas Buggy" site. It didn't work, probably why they didn't follow through with it in Pinedale.
You say you were involved in the original "fracks" in the 60's 70's etc. Tell me more, what did you do, what company did you work for? Those areas
were explored and somewhat developed "back in the day" but lay dormant until around 2000 when new techniques in fracturing and well stimulation
started a new boom in the region. Were you still working there then?
It's good to have friends and family in the business, tell us more about your brother in law. He was a "well inspector" for Wyoming? Did he work for
the state? What part of the well process was he in charge of inspecting? What is his feeling about all this fracking business?
I can relate to your stories about how things are in a boom town environment, there aren't many towns that can easily deal with their population
growing exponentially in a short period especially when it is primarily men with nowhere to live, away from their families and with lots of money to
burn. It's a volatile combination for sure. Farmington was a bit "rough and tumble" when I moved there in '72 but it was experiencing it's 3rd boom so
it wasn't so bad. Today it is a large town with lots of good things going on, a great place to raise a family. Whodathunk it from a boom town?
You say the area doesn't look like it did 50 years ago, I don't doubt it. Where do you live now? What did it look like 50 years ago?
I don't know where you get the notion that I think I'm the only "expert" in the field, I'm just sharing my thoughts and feelings based on my
experiences. It's good to have input from someone with real world experience rather than relying on opinions form some "wannabe journalist" posting on
some obscure blog regardless of it's ideology. I for one am glad you spoke up.
I don't have the advantage of running an Oil/natural gas blog to get differing views from experts in the field. Could you provide a link to your
blog, I'd like to peruse it. You may find this hard to believe but I do read things from liberal sources and consider myself to be "pro environment".
I hope I'm not being presumptuous in assuming that your blog might be left leaning, I meant no offense.
[Edited on 10-18-2014 by BajaNomad] |
[Edited on 10-21-2014 by dtbushpilot]
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
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....current fuel prices point to an interesting irony....apparently the glut in oil and natural gas combine with a slowing economy to drive oil
prices,,investment,,and share prices down
.......but hey,,gas is cheap---drive ON!!! |
Global temps skyrocketing. Global warming real. Petro economy is Bad for your lungs, bad for climate. Alternative energy now! Real cost to society
for petro economy is bad health, climate change, wars over control of oil producing lands. Price at pump maybe cheap. True cost to society is paid by
others.
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...yeh,,many would agree,,,,some not |
air pollution from combustion of fossil fuels causes untold numbers of respiratory diseases and premature death.
our reliance on plastic packaging is fossil fuel waste run amok. the plastic causes untold diseases from our consumption of phthalates and other
compounds whose health effects we don't even know of.
wars over oil-producing regions causes untold deaths, and wastes enormous amount of government resources that would be better spent on domestic
infrastructure and education.
the damage of ecosystems is immense.
and all you numb nuts think about is thew price per gallon at the gas pump and the kWhr rate you pay to run your AC in your over-sized cookie cutter
stucco box on the hill.
try walking to the store, get rid of your lard butt, and conserve a little bit of fuel.
try planting a tree to shade your house and conserve a little electricity.
do you really need to drink all that water from single use plastic container? cant you use that reusable water bottle?
try taking up an active sport like hiking or biking instead of passive offroading that only increases the girth of your lard butt.
it's not easy being green!
give a hoot, don't pollute!
reduce, reuse, recycle!
Don't be mean, be green!
Show you care, do your share!
Global warming is not cool!
"We all moan and groan about the loss of the quality of life through the destruction of our ecology, and yet every one of us, in our own little
comfortable ways, contributes daily to that destruction. It's time now to awaken in each one of us the respect and attention our beloved Mother
deserves." - Ed Asner |
Did you drive your Tesla today? 
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Sweetwater
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Geez.
After all that editing, I'm not sure who I'm supposed to be answering to and how much personal information you think I'm supposed to provide......but
Ged has been privy to my blog and you'll have to join AdvRider to read it, it's in one of the member only areas....as to the rest, read the blog and
if you have specifics, that's ok by me. I'm not DK and I won't be posting my life story here.....if you'd care to post yours, I'm all ears.....
And yup, underground nuclear blasts were the original Fracing proposal that was introduced after the discovery that the Jonah Field contained the
"largest" methane field in the world....at that time.... 1960's.....
Edit: In the interest of sharing information, the first time I drove through the 4 corners area was about 33 years ago and with the overwhelming air
pollution of the Navajo Power plant and the obvious beginnings of the "drill baby drill" just beginning to be evident, I remarked that this reminded
me of my home town in SW Wyoming.....and I wondered if that population was prepared for the astounding degradation of their environment that was
coming.....
[Edited on 10-21-2014 by Sweetwater]
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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David K
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My life story is not or will not be in 'nutzoid' thread thank you very much.
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micah202
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
My life story is not or will not be in 'nutzoid' thread thank you very much. |
....better now?
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
Geez.
After all that editing, I'm not sure who I'm supposed to be answering to and how much personal information you think I'm supposed to provide......but
Ged has been privy to my blog and you'll have to join AdvRider to read it, it's in one of the member only areas....as to the rest, read the blog and
if you have specifics, that's ok by me. I'm not DK and I won't be posting my life story here.....if you'd care to post yours, I'm all ears.....
And yup, underground nuclear blasts were the original Fracing proposal that was introduced after the discovery that the Jonah Field contained the
"largest" methane field in the world....at that time.... 1960's.....
Edit: In the interest of sharing information, the first time I drove through the 4 corners area was about 33 years ago and with the overwhelming air
pollution of the Navajo Power plant and the obvious beginnings of the "drill baby drill" just beginning to be evident, I remarked that this reminded
me of my home town in SW Wyoming.....and I wondered if that population was prepared for the astounding degradation of their environment that was
coming.....
[Edited on 10-21-2014 by Sweetwater] |
Well, I must say I'm a bit disappointed. You said you had experience and were willing to share but when now you don't want to. Ok, never mind.
I am a member of advrider although I don't go there as much as I used to, I'll see if I can find your blog. Do you use the same name there? It's a big
site, a little help would be appreciated. if not I will break down and ask ged but I'd rather break a leg than talk to that guy.
33 years ago, around 1981 or so. Boy that jogs some memories. It was the beginning of one of the biggest bust cycles in the local oil and gas
industry. I was an independent rig welder back then, living large in a mobile home park with a 16' aluminum boat and 1974 Pinto station wagon. I went
weeks at a time with no work but with the help of family managed to get by. I was able to get a few months work at the APS power plant during an
overhaul, it got us off of food stamps.
I remember the pollution from the power plants back then, the smoke drifted for miles and you could shovel the fly ash from the surrounding desert.
Thankfully through environmental awareness and government regulations (see there, some government intervention is good) there have been many changes
and upgrades to both of the coal fired power plants in the area. I think they have both come close to their life expectancy and will be shut down some
time in the not too distant future. Fortunately for the local population the air is clean, the rivers and lakes are full of fish, the local deer and
elk population is some of the best in the country and we enjoy hundreds of square miles of BLM managed public lands to recreate in. It really is some
beautiful country. I'm happy to report that the impending doom you feared back then never came to fruition.
We used to go deer hunting in the Carson National Forrest a few miles East of Farmington, the deer hunting there is world class. The Gas Buggy site is
in the area, it is one of 3 sites where a nuclear explosion was used to try to "frack" a gas well. It worked but the gas was radioactive and not
commercially usable (whoda saw that coming). Good thing it didn't work, imagine what fracking might look like today?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK5a_1NrGrI
This is a pretty cool video about it.
I don't mind sharing stories or information about myself with people that are interested, if there is anything in particular that you are curious
about ask away...
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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