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David K
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Think you are pretty close Paul. Gulick called Enmedio 'Arroyo Jamau' with his photo. The fun is discovering the facts or something close! LOL
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Correction
In 2005, the Pole Line Group and I drove up the Summit #2 twice. We drove each time to a corral and turned around. Not out of difficulty, but to
conserve gasoline.
We had a Suzuki to discover!
[Edited on 5-25-2015 by Ken Cooke]
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  |
2) Cańada el Sáiz Summit Road (this is just south of #1, and easily visible from PLR below and on Google Earth). This seems to me the main route used
by Rancho Huatamote (Guatamote).
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This is the route that I drove up 2x in 2005. Confusion over the name Saiz led me to think this was a different road.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke | | Quote: Originally posted by David K |
2) Cańada el Sáiz Summit Road (this is just south of #1, and easily visible from PLR below and on Google Earth). This seems to me the main route used
by Rancho Huatamote (Guatamote).
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This is the route that I drove up 2x in 2005. Confusion over the name Saiz led me to think this was a different road. |
Yes, we are trying to clear up this confusion... Please see map.
#1 is original Pole Line Road summit and is called Portezuelo de Jamau.
#2 is the newest(?) summit and goes to Pole Line Road and across to Rancho Huatamote. It climbs up Canyon el Sáiz to the top, looks very steep, we can
see it just south of where we camped on night 1, up that arroyo (El Sáiz) we were in and drove up partially as part of the detour around the locked
gate.
#3 is further south from the other two, not visible from the desert, is shown on the INEGI topo as going through, but there is 1 mile gap that begins
0.8 mile for the Jamau Y (Left at Y).
#1: Portezuelo de Jamau (SCORE Race Summit, Orig. PLR 1942)
#2: Cańada el Sáiz (Rancho Huatamote road)
#3: Cańon Jamau (Jamau Cattle Camp Road/Trail)
[Edited on 5-25-2015 by David K]
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On one of my runs in 2005, I drove straight at the 'Y' and saw a small ranch tucked away down a hill, south of the access road that I had traveled on.
A route up to the mountains was not immediately visible, but I wasn't looking for one. Also, at the locked gate, a dirt road goes east towards the
bottom of Saiz wash, and an additional working ranch is located there.
One more thing - the road up Summit #2 is not steep - nothing near as crazy as the insane stairstep that goes up Summit #1. If you review the first
2-3 minutes of the "Wrong Way Enmedio" video, you will see the Toyota Tacoma following our Jeeps right up to the top.
[Edited on 5-25-2015 by Ken Cooke]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke | On one of my runs in 2005, I drove straight at the 'Y' and saw a small ranch tucked away down a hill, south of the access road that I had traveled on.
A route up to the mountains was not immediately visible, but I wasn't looking for one. Also, at the locked gate, a dirt road goes east towards the
bottom of Saiz wash, and an additional working ranch is located there.
One more thing - the road up Summit #2 is not steep - nothing near as crazy as the insane stairstep that goes up Summit #1. If you review the first
2-3 minutes of the "Wrong Way Enmedio" video, you will see the Toyota Tacoma following our Jeeps right up to the top.
[Edited on 5-25-2015 by Ken Cooke] |
Thanks Ken!
Summit #2 sure looks steep from the bottom... far steeper than #1 and is a reason the racers protested when SCORE tried to make it a course.
#1 Portezuelo de Jamau, 1942 Pole Line Road
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Absolutely Fabulous!
I believe the small Volkswagen race cars would be the only class complaining about Summit Road #2. One of the Jeep drivers described the Summit road
as being, "Absolutely Fabulous" - but, that is coming from a Jeep driver in the "Wrong Way Enmedio" video. Lol!
Wrong Way Enmedio
https://youtu.be/ipo3wi6sdR4
[Edited on 5-26-2015 by Ken Cooke]
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I have driven #2 - walk in the park. Looks steep, but isn't
Harald Pietschmann
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And now that #1 has a new bypass the really difficult washed out sections no longer are used. Been up and down all versions of #1 many times and none
of us should have had any issues driving it.
I never had any knowledge about #2 and am looking forward to driving it and when I do that I will skip #1 and concentrate on #3 from both sides.
The road leading East just N of our detour road leads to the rancho where the land owner hangs out and he is the one responsible for the locked gate.
The tracks from his bulldozer that rebuilt the lock gate and the turnaround on the south side of the lock gate took that road. As Harald mentioned
that rancho or cow camp is called Guatamote/Huatamote. So that would be another good place to visit.
Do you guys remember the shooting? That was when a biker was shot when he came to a barricaded fence gate. That happened near the Jamau biker place.
Many possibilities exist for the exact location as there are many fences and gates all with reasonable roads. Nobody ever published the coordinates of
the shooting.
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why don't we visit that rancher guy more often. Bring presents. Ask what he needs. Become friends. All gates have keys.
Harald Pietschmann
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | | why don't we visit that rancher guy more often. Bring presents. Ask what he needs. Become friends. All gates have keys. |
Greetings Harald,
>>>> I have met and talked to some of the hombres that lay claim to that area around Huatamote and was dully impressed with their
dishonesty and aggressive macho mannerism and turned down an invite to their encampment. Two of them were carrying long arms and flashing phony
looking photo ID. They had phony police ID and were getting insistent that we accompany them to there camp. Not liking the situation, I told everybody
to get mounted and we are living NOW!!! These were bad guys hiding out and did not want to test my resolve with me holding a large bore short arm.
They walked we drove on. This was the area were a biker was shot someone reported. Was also told by the Mex. military to not go into that local
because of bad people hiding there. And now it is an area of large locked gates and a bulldozer and for what reason? What are they protecting or maybe
hiding there??? None of my business, right? That was a long time ago and things do change, but why the locked gate? Well, youth wants to know!!
>>>> Hay >>>> Harald are you and Karl up for this trek ??? Best Regards, sq.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke | On one of my runs in 2005, ... Also, at the locked gate, a dirt road goes east towards the bottom of Saiz wash, and an additional working ranch is
located there....
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For clarity, per the map and satellite images, the Pole Line Road locked gate is on the east bank climb-out of Arroyo el Sáiz... Arroyo el Sáiz it is
what the detour road begins in, heading south past the gate, and what we camped in on night 1.
Our Camp was at the 'bottom' of Sáiz.
East of the locked gate is the small mountain 'Cerro Huatamote', and at the northwest base of it is Rancho Huatamote (spelled Guatamote by Gulick in
the '62 book).
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I guess this is not happening this weekend right?
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Roy is ready, he told me Tuesday ( 2 days ago).... TW may be, but no word from him lately?
4x4abc is not coming up from La Paz and I am not going back south yet.
Perhaps after the Baja 500... ? Heat doesn't bother me, but it has been very mild so far this year.
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I'm doing a Mojave desert trip starting Monday. Probably will skip the 500 race. I told Roy (Sq) I would call him when I get back and we could set a
date to check out summit #3. I'm thinking maybe the weekend of June 13 and 14 or sooner or later. Everyday is like Saturday to me.
So far we have me (TW), Emerson, and Roy (Sq). I'll check with Phil (XRphlang)
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Excellent... maybe I can make it then too? I want to meet Emerson, if he can go as he seems like a cool Nomad four wheeler!
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Oh, just realized it get really complicated after this weekend.
30-31 - No problem.
6-7 - Baja 500, Im ok with this date, I don't mind the race.
13-14 - I cant join you on this weekend, sorry.
20-21 - Fathers day, risky.
27-28 - Too hot?
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20-21: Bring your father! 
27-28: It's never too hot in Baja California! 
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Bump for next weekend expedition by TW and The squarecircle.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
Looks freshly made near the summit, too.
Here is Rancho Jamau (1 mile from bottom of summit #3) on April 11, 1960:
[Edited on 5-24-2015 by David K] |
The shack in Jamau canyon... Rancho Jamau on map I posted in this thread.
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