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BajaNomad
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As a follow-up... again, I called the 619 # posted and spoke with "Thaddeus" briefly last night. I requested information that might help me verify
what he was reporting here. In conversation some things were noted that I felt I could try and confirm/verify - and take it from there.
In the conversation one thing that stood out to me was he indicated he had lease with a purchase option on the home, and that he went ahead and poured
money into upgrading the home (thinking it was a "done deal"). Thusly the original comment he posted about the owner wanting it back.
The two IPs - that of sackm and doct - are as Hose A noted, cable (Roadrunner), and what appears to be a United Online (Juno/NetZero) dialup account.
Since neither of the posters were posting at the same time one can't say it's not the same person... but I doubt it is.
(btw... this isn't "outing" anybody)
doct, in our phone conversation, indicated he was going to give it his best go at the Mexican Govt. I reminded him that many people familiar with
visiting and putting money into Mexico, have an attitude that they do it with money - as hard as it would be - that they could walk away from and not
be in his position. I also reminded him that people with a "cause" in Mexico become targets and I was concerned about this for him. He told me that
nobody (at least nobody outside family and close advisors) knows his definite whereabouts in San Diego - or the specific location of his motel.
Sackm's indication that he's in Spring Valley was news to me.
Oh, and today's been especially busy for me. I expected to be back at one of my desks today after lunch, and didn't make it until just a few minutes
ago. This will have to wait until tomorrow (at least) on my side of things.
--
Doug
[Edited on 12-20-2006 by BajaNomad]
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Stickers
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I just read this entire thread and I am impressed with the Nomad responses.
I am not a name caller but on a purely intuitive level I feel that the original poster and his evil twin are a bit odd.
It would be nice if they moved on out of here.
 
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Bruce R Leech
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Last night while I was out for a bit Edith received a very rude and scary phone call from these people.
Bruce R Leech
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Sackmaster
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hose A
No one has been outed yet.
One address is a dial up connection and the other is a cable dsl connection.
So I would assume they are not one and the same person.
If you want to remain annon do not post on the internet .
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You're assumption is right, Hose.
I'm not a millionaire, not even close, but I do live comfortably in a very popular part of San Diego, in a community called Pacific Beach. I'm
fortunate enough and lucky enough to be in very good health, living only 2 blocks from both the Pacific Ocean and a killer-diller boardwalk where lots
of people run, ride bicycles, jog and stroll. I really do count my blessings, even when it comes to the small stuff like Internet cable connections
and things that some people take for granted.
In talking to Ted on the phone, I have learned that in the 2 months since the Mexican police took everything he had and raped his daughter, his diet
has consisted of alot of donuts and coffee. And that's not good! Ted used to have a thing for lifting weights, as I do now, so his health and state of
physical being must be very important to him.
I feel for Ted because he's in his 50's or 60's...so I feel for the guy. I don't think he lives as comfortable as I do as he is staying in a motel in
Spring Valley which is way out in the suburbs, east of downtown San Diego.
Hose, you are right on the money with your opinion, Ted and I are not the same person.
[Edited on 12-20-2006 by Sackmaster]
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Sackmaster
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Sackmaster your writing stile is exactly the same as Ted Or Doc or whoever |
So Ted's writing style is the same as mine? Are you sure about that?
Please give us a few examples of how Ted's style of writing is "exactly" the same as mine. I'm sure everyone would like to see what kind of detective
skills you bring to the table. If you cannot prove it, I'm going to have to ask you to please cease and desist with the stupid accusations that are
demeaning to both Ted and me. Gracias.
[Edited on 12-20-2006 by Sackmaster]
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Sackmaster
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Stickers
I am not a name caller but on a purely intuitive level I feel that the original poster and his evil twin are a bit odd.
It would be nice if they moved on out of here.
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Evil twin? A bit odd? And you said you're not a name caller. 
I'm backing Ted up in this thread because the Mexican police stole all of his lifes possessions and raped his daughter and that sucks big time. And
because I talked to Ted on numerous occasions on the phone. And that makes me evil? And having a heart makes me odd? You're a Cyberspace tough guy
who likes to call people names on the Internet flame people and smear the image of a guy like Ted who went through hell and back. Wow, whatta man.
I'm backing Ted because "BajaGringo," an American who has several business interests in Baja and has lived there for quote "many Years" followed Ted's
story in a Baja newspaper called "the GringoGazzette."
The GringoGazzette followed Ted's story. BajaGringo is a poster on another Baja related forum, "TijuanaBlogger." BajaGringo helps Americans who are
looking to rent and buy housing in the Tijuana area. BajaGringo testified that he followed Ted's story.
BajaGringo has alot of contacts in the Tijuana / Rosarito Beach area, and so he would be the first one to tell people that Ted's a fraud...if he was a
fraud.
BajaGringo has nothing but sympathy for Ted. A person with your intelligence level needs to read that again, Snickers: BajaGringo has nothing buy
sympathy for Ted!
To the lurkers and onlookers out there: in a thread like this, you have posters who are for some inexplicable reason trying to make Ted, myself and
yes, BajaGringo look like liars.
And they're doing a more than adequate job of it because Ted and I are outnumbered by these zealous witch hunters. Discussion forums can be just like
a gangfight in that the forum regulars will gang up on a select indiviual for their own idiotic pleasure.
I'm on Ted's side, as is BajaGringo, because we think that what happened to Ted was hideous and tragic. I'm on Ted's side because I have a heart, and
I have no shame in that.
There are people on this board who don't like the fact that people like BajaGringo and me are on Ted's side. They just don't like the fact that we
feel for Ted and are in his corner. So far, the witch hunters are six in number:
--Bruce R. Leech
--k1w1
--Dennis
--lencho
--Karyn Ivie
--Stickers
Ted posted his phone number in his first post / thread starter. anyone can call him and ask him about losing everything in his life to the Mexican
police.
For the life of me I can't understand why the six aformentioned people are hellbent on kicking a guy like Ted in the balls, figurartively speaking.
Ted will talk about it all, and that includes the robbery of all of his lifes possessions that he accumulated in 40 or 50 years of living and the rape
of his daughter.
Stop hating on this man, stop trying to make him look like a liar. You're spending alot of time on the Internet villifying Ted in public. Ted is a
victim. A victim! Call him up to ascertain that for yourself!! It's a telephone conversation, for Christ sakes, not a sit down with the Arellano
Brothers! What part of that don't you understand? His phone number is: (619) 723-6600
I am not Ted, Slickers, nor can I be his "evil twin" as we are not related! Furthermore, I have never met Ted in person.
The mods here have already stated that they cannot match Ted's I.P. address or my I.P. address togehter as one, so there you have it!
Slicker, you're a liar because you are a namecaller. You're also an Internet troll, and your "intuition" that you're using to denigrate both Ted and I
isn't worth 2 cents of used toilet paper.
And as far as ordering us to "move on out of here," I can tell you that after to talking to Ted last night, Ted told me that when he gets some free
time he fully intends to come right back here and post again!
BajaGringo's post as posted in TijuanaBlogger.com:
"I have lived here in the Rosarito area for years and I followed this story in the Gringo Gazette. Talking to most of the Gringos here where I live
most seem to believe it was a case of a Gringo at least wanting to appear having a lot of money with a remodeled "mansion" as you call it and high
dollar cars."
"No matter what the age of the vehicles, a Porsche and a Rolls Royce always draw attention. Jorge Hank drives a vintage Silver Shadow around town at
times. The general opinion is that those who broke in were looking for an easy hit on a high dollar mark."
"Your long story probably makes a good case why it is smart to live "under the radar" and not try to draw attention to yourself here in Mexico. Crime
is a problem in Mexico but you can definitely improve your odds with some common sense. I have lived here for many years in a nice home in an ocean
front community and never had so much as a single problem."
"As Chiquito said previously, I also have seen your story in other places, obviously in attempt to draw more attention to yourself and your plight. I
wish you luck and my advice for the future would be to think about not trying to draw so much attention to yourself in Mexico. Not a good idea for
anyone, foreigner or Mexican citizen."
Here's the link to the TijuanaBlogger thread where you can find "BajaGringo's" post:
http://www.tijuanablog.com/viewtopic.php?t=869&start=0
[Edited on 12-20-2006 by Sackmaster]
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Sackmaster
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
As a follow-up... again, I called the 619 # posted and spoke with "Thaddeus" briefly last night. I requested information that might help me verify
what he was reporting here. In conversation some things were noted that I felt I could try and confirm/verify - and take it from there.
In the conversation one thing that stood out to me was he indicated he had lease with a purchase option on the home, and that he went ahead and poured
money into upgrading the home (thinking it was a "done deal"). Thusly the original comment he posted about the owner wanting it back.
The two IPs - that of sackm and doct - are as Hose A noted, cable (Roadrunner), and what appears to be a United Online (Juno/NetZero) dialup account.
Since neither of the posters were posting at the same time one can't say it's not the same person... but I doubt it is.
doct, in our phone conversation, indicated he was going to give it his best go at the Mexican Govt. I reminded him that many people familiar with
visiting and putting money into Mexico, have an attitude that they do it with money - as hard as it would be - that they could walk away from and not
be in his position. I also reminded him that people with a "cause" in Mexico become targets and I was concerned about this for him. He told me that
nobody (at least nobody outside family and close advisors) knows his definite whereabouts in San Diego - or the specific location of his motel.
Sackm's indication that he's in Spring Valley was news to me.
Oh, and today's been especially busy for me. I expected to be back at one of my desks today after lunch, and didn't make it until just a few minutes
ago. This will have to wait until tomorrow (at least) on my side of things.
--
Doug
[Edited on 12-20-2006 by BajaNomad] |
Nice post, Doug. I feel a little vindicated already.
There are a few idiots on this board who were getting carried away with their witch hunt. It was very disheatening to see these people tear into Ted,
a man who lost everything he had in Baja and whose daughter was raped. Some of these posters excel at being a real jerk. The guys daughter was raped,
for God's sake!!
Here's a few points I'd like to make to you that might help you clear alot of this B.S. up:
--If Ted and I post at the same time, that will prove that we're not the same person. You, the moderator, already mentioned that. Depending on how Ted
feels, I'm game for that! Although Ted might not want to try and prove anything after he sees the six posters who did their best to make Ted and I
look like liars. I conversed with Ted last night, and he was a little saddened to hear about the six posters who were kicking him when he's down.
--You've talked to him once on the phone. I've talked to him 5 or 6 times already. He's a good guy, with alot of interesting stories to tell about the
2 years he lived in Baja. He lived in Playas / Tijuana for one year, and the second year he lived in Rosarito Beach. You should call him again to
chat, you might learn alot from him, and he could use a little moral support, I'm sure.
--Not only did Ted "pour money" into the Rosarito Beach house, but he put a little money into the T.J. rental, too. Ted actually increased the value
of the rental for the Mexican owner, all out of his own pocket! When I asked Ted why the hell he did that, he explained to me that he's a "giver" in
life and not a taker.
--Listen Doug, the next time I talk to Ted I'll tell him to give you my phone number. Feel free to call me! Ted's over in the east side of San Diego,
with a 619 area code. And I'm over on the west side of San Diego, where the area code is 858. Call me up! That way you can verfiy that Ted and I are
two totally different people. As President Reagan once said, "Trust and then verify."
http://www.unsolved.com/1103-Artis.html
http://www.courttv.com/news/hiddentraces/tijuana/page1.html
http://www.americanpatrol.com/TRAVEL/kraftdies990906.html
http://www.americanpatrol.com/TRAVEL/UScrashvitimsransom9911...
[Edited on 12-20-2006 by Sackmaster]
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bancoduo
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The phone thing means nothing if it is a cell phone
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elgatoloco
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As a regular reader of the Gringo Gazette I had followed this story from the start.
I would not wish any of this on my worst enemy.
I wonder if he had a valid FM-3?
My family has had a place in Baja since 1960. We alwasy lived by the code " don't spend more then you can afford to walk away from". We will continue
to do that.
Whenever I hear a story like this involving an expat the soundtrack in my mind is always Bowie singing "This is not America, sha la la la la"
Good luck to doc in his efforts to get back what is rightfully his.
MAGA
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Jim
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bancoduo
The phone thing means nothing if it is a cell phone |
True, especially with "Call-forwarding" activated. It's not uncommon to have several Area Codes patched into the same physical address.
Fascinating thread. Lots of editing by posters on their prior posts. Having used the "Printable Version" tool at the top of the thread soon after I
saw the controversy developing, it's been interesting to see all the editing.
As for Sackmaster, someone who stated that he was not going to post any more on this thread, he's sure been active.
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aquaholic
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...in real life, Sackmaster could be the guy urging you to call the pledge number on the Public TV channel...
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Cypress
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After reading the back and forth exchanges from this post, I'd say "Cabin Fever" isn't limited to the "High Country".
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DENNIS
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sackmeister --
You're having way too much fun with this. You know way too much about someone you have had only a few phone conversations with.
He used to lift weights?
I'll bet you can tell us what size jock strap he wears.
Why do you persist here? Obviously, this is an unfriendly environment for you. Nobody is buying it but, you keep trying to convince people of what?
I don't get it. What is you're motive? What do you want?
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DENNIS
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sackmeister --
By the way......... PB, where you say you live is only twenty minutes from Spring Valley. It is unbelieveable that you wouldn't take the short trip
to meet someone you think so much of.
Just another point of nonsense from you.
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Mango
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Sackmiester,
You have to admit this whole thing is very suspicious. Let me give you a quick rundown of my logic.
First, a new tread is started by a new user that explains that they had a very tough situation, and needed help. The original post was hostle and
demeaned the place that so many people here love.
Second, a few questions were asked of Ted so we could help him. Some observations were made about possible reasons as to why Ted was deported and/or
was having problems. The hostility of the origional post most mostly ignored and not commented on out of respect.
Next, Ted logs on and ignores a few very sensible questions asked by some people here in order to help him. He glosses over some non-important stuff,
like the conditions of the cars, etc..
Then, another new user logs on and posts many times in support of the first user. You claim to have only talked to him a few times on the phone.
Yet, you know many storys and many unique details of Ted and his life, including precise locations of alleged police harrasment, etc.. You urge
endlessly for people to call him, etc. etc.. You posted more times in one day than many users post in a month.
Many users have urged Ted to answer some simple questions about his legal problems, visa status in Mexico, etc.. We get no meaningful response from
the origional poster.
Since you started posting here you have been abrasive and attacked many users here on this board. You say users like Bruce have attacked you or Ted;
when, it is obvious that Bruce offered help time and time again. He even talked to Mexican lawyers on Teds behalf, talked to immigration officals on
Teds behalf. The motive was to find the truth; the result was more attacks by you (a mysterious poster) on behalf of another mysterious poster.
Then it comes to light that Ted was in leagal trouble here in at least two states in the USA. He continues to avoid basic questions.
It also seems you have almost unlimited time to address speculation about the ambiguity of Teds posts.
I can have two differnt IP's pretty easy. Use a cell phone to connect to dialup and use my DSL on another line. I could even log on on at the same
time buy using two computers. Not hard.
We offered advice and asked a few simple questions at first. We recieved glossed over or ambiguous answers. Then we were attacked by a stranger that
insists we call somebody because they don't have time to log on the the board and answer a few simple questions where they posted already.
Yes I feel bad for Ted. I feel bad for anyone that gets scammed or robbed. The offer for help is there if he would just answer some questions.
I and others are suspicious because we don't want to see anyone here get scammed.
If you can't see why people are worried that this is a scam; that is your problem. If you really want to help Ted you should start by spending your
time more wisely. Print out the questions below. Drive 20 minutes and let Ted know that people are willing to help him; but, we need to know where
he stands. Where he stands... not you. You're abrasive posts are a disservice to everyone invovled.
Again. Here are a few simple questions. If Ted really wants help from us here he would answer them. All of us can't or won't call Ted.
But, if he really wants help from all of us he can spend a little time to answer these. Otherwise, in reality, we can not offer or be expected to
offer any help or advice.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
1 are you legal to do business in Mexico?
2 were the cars legally imported in to Mexico?
3 do you have a FM3 with work permit?
4 are you a non profit org. in Mexico? If so why are you trying to sell cars?
5 Did you own or Lease the land that the house was on?
6 Did you have a lawyer or accountant advising you on your project?
7 was the Mexican immigration involved in your deportation?
.............A did you have an Immigration hearing?
.............B were you represented by a Lawyer?
.............C Did they provide you with an interpreter?
.............D did you sign any papers that you did not read and understand fully?
8 were you served any papers regarding any of this in the past?
9 were you charged with any crimes?
............A did you go to any hearings on the charges?
10 can you give me any details on how you were deported?
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Thank you Mango for the excellent summation of what I've been thinking.
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I agree...an excellent summation. I doubt we'll hear from them again...
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Real or not I still think this is a movie in the making! And if you think about it, most movies have some flaw in the plot and can be made better!
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DENNIS
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Sounds more like reverse telemarketing to me. Instead of calling you with a sales pitch, he wants you to call him, knowing that by merit of your
participation, he has you half sold already. In order for the scam to survive, you would be asked to participate in doct's defense. I don't believe
he merely wants to chat and the push to make the phone call was too insistant.
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villadelfin
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I thought the article said that the Tijuana squad was ""supposed to"turn him over to Immigration. It never says he was. And although DocT is sketchy
on details, I can only imagine that somehow machine-gun toting plain clothed police crossed through Mexican and US border checks to exile him to San
Ysidro.
| Quote: | ...a los que se llevaron para presuntamente ponerlos a disposición del Instituto Nacional de Migración.--Newspaper article
By DocT:
Within just a few hours we were whisked through their diabolical legal system removed from everything that we owned and created with our blood, sweat,
and tears, and were left standing on the street in San Ysidro, California |
You, DocT are willing to post a cell phone number and an email address in public but you adamantly refuse to post any more details of what, in your
opinion, transpired. This is a public forum and I refuse to meet with you anywhere but a public cyberspace. So come across or go away.
edited for syntax
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