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David K
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I left a message on Roy's machine... The 3 hour time did include photo and beer stops... You may be able to get out in 2 (that would be an average of
7.5 mph... mind boggeling speed on that road)! 
The effort is worth it...
[Edited on 12-12-2009 by David K]
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TMW
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David is the 7.5 mph for that jeep? If so his Tocoma should be able to do 8 or 8.5 mph. Maybe Ken should bring his Jeep in with us to compare if he's
not off to Colombia.
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Ken Cooke
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No Baja Until 2010!
| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
David is the 7.5 mph for that jeep? If so his Tocoma should be able to do 8 or 8.5 mph. Maybe Ken should bring his Jeep in with us to compare if he's
not off to Colombia. |
I like to take my time on trails - especially ones that are picturesque as this one. Speeding through Baja isn't as fun as taking your time and
soaking it all in.
Colombia is here in Riverside w/me, so no International travels - at least until the Green Card arrives in Summer/Fall 2010.
[Edited on 12-12-2009 by Ken Cooke]
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David K
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Colombia (in Riverside) looks very good, Ken... When will you bring her to Oceanside?
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Colombia (in Riverside) looks very good, Ken... When will you bring her to Oceanside? |
Look for us this Spring. I am also working on my Master's Degree, and I'm in a time-crucnch as a result. So, the Jeep sits parked most days, now.
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jeremias
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That is some serious 4xing. My Ranger would get destroyed.
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jeremias
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That is some serious 4xing. My Ranger would get destroyed.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jeremias
That is some serious 4xing. My Ranger would get destroyed. |
Does your Ranger run at least a 31" tire? Your vehicle would be fine. What would destroy your vehicle is trying to tackle it too fast. The slower
you travel on the rocky sections of trail, the better your vehicle would perform, and less likely have drivetrain problems.
One issue is if you don't have a rear locking differential, you will have problems making it out of the trail. There are several rock-crawling
sections where traction will be an issue.
[Edited on 12-13-2009 by Ken Cooke]
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BAJACAT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by jeremias
That is some serious 4xing. My Ranger would get destroyed. |
Does your Ranger run at least a 31" tire? Your vehicle would be fine. What would destroy your vehicle is trying to tackle it too fast. The slower
you travel on the rocky sections of trail, the better your vehicle would perform, and less likely have drivetrain problems.
One issue is if you don't have a rear locking differential, you will have problems making it out of the trail. There are several rock-crawling
sections where traction will be an issue.
[Edited on 12-13-2009 by Ken Cooke] |
Ken in your opinion, besides the Widowmaker in how many more(and
where), places you will need a locker, Im still looking for mine with no success..
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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Ken Cooke
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I don't believe that the big Bronco had a locker - maybe, a limited slip.
1 section that requires a little care:
Just returning from the Swamp, you have this outcropping of rocks that needs to be negotiated. All that is needed is a tow strap, and you are fine:
Going down this same section is much easier (of course):
With 1 vehicle bringing a tow strap, you will get the rest through. Be sure to air down your tires, so that you can get that little bit of extra
traction and you will be okay. Also, add a little tension to the Emergency Brake if you have an open differential, and you will also get out.
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David K
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Jose: Perhaps 3 places the locking rear or limited slip would be VERY helpful.
They are all in the final 3 miles to the mission... and maybe that gully 1.8 miles from Santa Ynez... which is great place to gauge if your vehicle
should go further.
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BAJACAT
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Thanks DK and Ken, I have limited slip on the rear and open in the front running 3.55 gears..
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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Me too 'cept I have 3.73s. If you are experienced w/limited slip differentials and how to power brake effectively you'll be fine. Hell, the trips to
Manache Meadows or Malirrimo 60s' were every bit as challenging as this trip.
You should have no problem navigating that trip. Take it easy.
Both my Dodge trucks have limited slip. I can tell both rears axels are working when slipping in mud.
Burned out the clutches in my Power Wagon one time. The rear end still operated and only discovered the prob when I broke a rear axle showing off one
time. Never try to light up 38" tires in low range!!!
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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edm1
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Ken, that Jeep shot you have there, assuming the camera shot was level, requires as much as 27-degrees off-camber. Do you think a high-CG vehicle
could maintain its balance to keep it from overturning? In otherwords, are there worse off-camber sits, say 30, 35-degrees in the entire course?
[Edited on 12-13-2009 by edm1]
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edm1
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Jose,
"Im still looking for mine with no success."
I, too, had some trouble finding the ARB locker that I need in stock, until I posted at Pirate4x4 and asked all axle/drivetrain vendors who has one in
stock ready to ship. The ARB locker for my front is due for delivery this Wednesday.
Art
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BAJACAT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Me too 'cept I have 3.73s. If you are experienced w/limited slip differentials and how to power brake effectively you'll be fine. Hell, the trips to
Manache Meadows or Malirrimo 60s' were every bit as challenging as this trip.
You should have no problem navigating that trip. Take it easy.
Both my Dodge trucks have limited slip. I can tell both rears axels are working when slipping in mud.
Burned out the clutches in my Power Wagon one time. The rear end still operated and only discovered the prob when I broke a rear axle showing off one
time. Never try to light up 38" tires in low range!!! |
Sharks how do you power brake?
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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BAJACAT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by edm1
Jose,
"Im still looking for mine with no success."
I, too, had some trouble finding the ARB locker that I need in stock, until I posted at Pirate4x4 and asked all axle/drivetrain vendors who has one in
stock ready to ship. The ARB locker for my front is due for delivery this Wednesday.
Art |
Art ARB doesn't carry one for my crysler 9.25 dif, Im looking into Detroit lockers now..
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by edm1
Ken, that Jeep shot you have there, assuming the camera shot was level, requires as much as 27-degrees off-camber. Do you think a high-CG vehicle
could maintain its balance to keep it from overturning? In otherwords, are there worse off-camber sits, say 30, 35-degrees in the entire course?
[Edited on 12-13-2009 by edm1] |
Art,
Yes, the camera was held level during the photograph. Perhaps a clinometer $20 installed in one of the vehicles will give you a ballpark of the
angles here.
This one spot was the most tippy place along with the angle where you see the Bronco skidding its way to the top. Those two places are the most
difficult on the entire trail.
Saludos,
-Ken
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BajaRoadrunner
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With a wide vehicle is imposible to avoid the rock that makes you get so off-camber (the one just in front of the JK's passenger side tire in Ken's
picture). The first time I drove there (in a jeep TJ), one of my rear tires catch some big air by going over that rock with the front one. Now I go
around it in my Jeep XJ.
In this video you can see how off-camber a FJ40 gets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9D52_Pe4Kc
Bajacat:
After the latest mods, I only feel completely safe driving my Cherokee @70MPH or less in MEX 1. My friend drives around 60mph or less so I think we
will meet you at S. Ines, that way you can let your leadfoot drop al the way to the floor.
[Edited on 12-15-2009 by BajaRoadrunner]
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaRoadrunner
With a wide vehicle is imposible to avoid the rock that makes you get so off-camber (the one just in front of the JK's passenger side tire in Ken's
picture). The first time I drove there (in a jeep TJ), one of my rear tires catch some big air by going over that rock with the front one. Now I go
around it in my Jeep XJ. |
You have to watch your m.p.h. - Did your TJ have swaybar disconnects? On that rock you mention, I never lifted a tire. The slower you go on sections
like this, the safer and better controlled your vehicle will be.
In a high COG vehicle, a group of guys with a tug rope will be necessary.
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